vegan vs raw vs both, - Pitbulls : Go Pitbull Dog Forums

           
   

Go Back   Pitbulls : Go Pitbull Dog Forums > General Pitbull Forums > Health & Nutrition > Raw Foods



GopitBull.com is the premier Pitbull Forum on the internet. Registered Users do not see the above ads.
Forum Information
Forum Members:
Total Threads:
Posts: 48

Forum Staff:
redog
YUNGSTER
pitbullmamanatl
ThaLadyPit
Firehazard
Odin's_BlueDragon
Rudy4747
angelbaby
ames
welder
coach
Carriana
Black Rabbit
~StangChick~
jttar


There are currently users online.

Advertisements

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 08-07-2009, 05:54 PM   #1 (permalink)
 

pitliongod is an unknown quantity at this point
vegan vs raw vs both,

I need evidence of the longest living raw fed pit vegan / raw meat / or both. Theres info on feeding them raw meaty bones but it says 3 years later the dog got lukemia.

http://www.pitbulllovers.com/health-...raw-diets.html

then I find the longest living dog was vegan. theres another rspca record about an australian dog named bluey but theres no evidence of what the dog ate. Just cause there was no commercial dog food everyone guessed the dog ate raw kangaroo or something cause it was austrailia but what if it bluey was vegan too?

http://dogsinthenews.com/issues/0209...es/020918a.htm

I know it might make more sense to feed them raw meat cause thats "normal" but then they live the "normal" lifespan of 11 - 15 years. I need to see evidence of the oldest pitbull or any dog and what food they are using, is it a little raw meat and more raw veggies? is it all raw meat no bones? is it just vegan?

Last edited by pitliongod; 08-07-2009 at 06:40 PM.
pitliongod is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 08-07-2009, 05:58 PM   #2 (permalink)
Banned
(Reason)
 

Proud Marine Dad is a name known to allProud Marine Dad is a name known to allProud Marine Dad is a name known to allProud Marine Dad is a name known to allProud Marine Dad is a name known to allProud Marine Dad is a name known to allProud Marine Dad is a name known to allProud Marine Dad is a name known to allProud Marine Dad is a name known to allProud Marine Dad is a name known to allProud Marine Dad is a name known to allProud Marine Dad is a name known to allProud Marine Dad is a name known to allProud Marine Dad is a name known to allProud Marine Dad is a name known to all
I don't think you will find any solid evidence as there would have to be huge, double blind studies done to prove one was better than the other.
I would definitely not go vegan though as dogs are carnivores who do well on an omnivore diet as well. I think a good quality kibble like Innova, Blue Buffalo, Taste of the Wild, Orijen and a few others gives you the most well balanced diet you can feed a dog. Raw can be good as well but it takes a lot more thought and research and you need to supplement other things in the diet to make it complete. I think that is too much work and too much shopping for a dog as life is too busy as it is. This is just my opinion and you may get 10 different opinions from 10 different people.
Proud Marine Dad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-07-2009, 06:55 PM   #3 (permalink)
 
performanceknls's Avatar
 

5x Dog of the Month
performanceknls reputation ninjaperformanceknls reputation ninjaperformanceknls reputation ninjaperformanceknls reputation ninjaperformanceknls reputation ninjaperformanceknls reputation ninjaperformanceknls reputation ninjaperformanceknls reputation ninjaperformanceknls reputation ninjaperformanceknls reputation ninjaperformanceknls reputation ninjaperformanceknls reputation ninjaperformanceknls reputation ninjaperformanceknls reputation ninjaperformanceknls reputation ninja
performanceknls reputation ninjaperformanceknls reputation ninjaperformanceknls reputation ninjaperformanceknls reputation ninjaperformanceknls reputation ninjaperformanceknls reputation ninjaperformanceknls reputation ninjaperformanceknls reputation ninjaperformanceknls reputation ninjaperformanceknls reputation ninjaperformanceknls reputation ninjaperformanceknls reputation ninjaperformanceknls reputation ninjaperformanceknls reputation ninjaperformanceknls reputation ninja
cats that are fed vegan diets go blind.
I have heard of people feeding god vegan diets but that is more for people who do not eat meat. Dogs are omnivores and should be fed accordingly. Like said above you will get different Op on this from everyone.

people saw raw is natural for dogs, well it's really not anymore. Dog are not wolves they are domesticated animals and their digestive systems are not the same anymore. Many dogs who go from kibble to raw have to have an adjustment period to be able to digest bones and raw meat. A good kibble IMO is as good as raw but then again you have the raw people who will whole heartily disagree.
Does raw make dogs live longer? not necessarily. You see dogs fed ol' Roy that live to be 17-20 years old. Genetics plays a big part in that.
__________________
Custom K9 Performance Dog Training and Kennel

Quote:
Originally Posted by pitbullmamanatl View Post
I am a bitch who is never too busy to enjoy the misery of someone else,
performanceknls is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-07-2009, 11:50 PM   #4 (permalink)
Banned
(Reason)
 

Proud Marine Dad is a name known to allProud Marine Dad is a name known to allProud Marine Dad is a name known to allProud Marine Dad is a name known to allProud Marine Dad is a name known to allProud Marine Dad is a name known to allProud Marine Dad is a name known to allProud Marine Dad is a name known to allProud Marine Dad is a name known to allProud Marine Dad is a name known to allProud Marine Dad is a name known to allProud Marine Dad is a name known to allProud Marine Dad is a name known to allProud Marine Dad is a name known to allProud Marine Dad is a name known to all
Quote:
Originally Posted by performanceknls View Post
cats that are fed vegan diets go blind.
I have heard of people feeding god vegan diets but that is more for people who do not eat meat. Dogs are omnivores and should be fed accordingly. Like said above you will get different Op on this from everyone.

people saw raw is natural for dogs, well it's really not anymore. Dog are not wolves they are domesticated animals and their digestive systems are not the same anymore. Many dogs who go from kibble to raw have to have an adjustment period to be able to digest bones and raw meat. A good kibble IMO is as good as raw but then again you have the raw people who will whole heartily disagree.
Does raw make dogs live longer? not necessarily. You see dogs fed ol' Roy that live to be 17-20 years old. Genetics plays a big part in that.
I agree Lisa and I think genetics are the determining factor. Although environment and food may play a part, I still think it is by far genetics that determine how long animals and people live.
Proud Marine Dad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-08-2011, 06:19 PM   #5 (permalink)
 
Fancee&Sterling'sMom's Avatar
 

Fancee&Sterling'sMom is a jewel in the roughFancee&Sterling'sMom is a jewel in the roughFancee&Sterling'sMom is a jewel in the roughFancee&Sterling'sMom is a jewel in the roughFancee&Sterling'sMom is a jewel in the roughFancee&Sterling'sMom is a jewel in the roughFancee&Sterling'sMom is a jewel in the rough
I became vegan 5 months ago after being an on again off again vegetarian for the last 12yrs. I am actually working toward becoming a raw vegan and my puppies have enjoyed all of the new treats we are trying as well. I also realized that while it takes a little extra time to make my dog food homemade, it also is a bit of a bonding experience with my dogs when they watch me prepare their meals and get so excited to receive their bowls. I started with mixes of whole grains and veggies with Vegepet mixed into their meals to keep them balanced. Now I am weaning them onto a raw vegan plan outlined by Ani Phyo in her book Ani Phyo's Raw Kitchen. My dogs are thriving and Sterling is actually starting to gain weight (he is still growing like a weed and the taller he gets the skinnier he gets so I couldn't keep weight on him with Evo, Innova, Blue Buffalo or any of the other "high value" kibbles that I tried). The health and longevity of my dogs' lives is the reward for the time it takes and I look forward to bonus of them having extended lifespans
__________________
Fancee & Sterling's Mom AKA Jessica/Mandy

Last edited by Fancee&Sterling'sMom; 06-08-2011 at 06:22 PM.
Fancee&Sterling'sMom is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-08-2011, 06:24 PM   #6 (permalink)
 
Fancee&Sterling'sMom's Avatar
 

Fancee&Sterling'sMom is a jewel in the roughFancee&Sterling'sMom is a jewel in the roughFancee&Sterling'sMom is a jewel in the roughFancee&Sterling'sMom is a jewel in the roughFancee&Sterling'sMom is a jewel in the roughFancee&Sterling'sMom is a jewel in the roughFancee&Sterling'sMom is a jewel in the rough
Also, I forgot to mention that Ani Phyo's dog is a Ridgeback that she rescued who weighed only 45lbs. Kanga gained 50lbs eating a raw vegan diet consisting of nuts, seeds, leafy greens, veggies and fruits.
__________________
Fancee & Sterling's Mom AKA Jessica/Mandy
Fancee&Sterling'sMom is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-08-2011, 06:35 PM   #7 (permalink)
ACCOUNT CLOSED
 

9361 reputation ninja9361 reputation ninja9361 reputation ninja9361 reputation ninja9361 reputation ninja9361 reputation ninja9361 reputation ninja9361 reputation ninja9361 reputation ninja9361 reputation ninja9361 reputation ninja9361 reputation ninja9361 reputation ninja9361 reputation ninja9361 reputation ninja
9361 reputation ninja9361 reputation ninja9361 reputation ninja9361 reputation ninja9361 reputation ninja9361 reputation ninja9361 reputation ninja9361 reputation ninja9361 reputation ninja9361 reputation ninja9361 reputation ninja9361 reputation ninja9361 reputation ninja9361 reputation ninja9361 reputation ninja
I think trying to make a dog vegan is extremely unnatural.
9361 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-08-2011, 06:37 PM   #8 (permalink)
 
angelbaby's Avatar
 
Tournaments Won: 1

1x peanuts place supporter 4x Dog of the Month
angelbaby reputation ninjaangelbaby reputation ninjaangelbaby reputation ninjaangelbaby reputation ninjaangelbaby reputation ninjaangelbaby reputation ninjaangelbaby reputation ninjaangelbaby reputation ninjaangelbaby reputation ninjaangelbaby reputation ninjaangelbaby reputation ninjaangelbaby reputation ninjaangelbaby reputation ninjaangelbaby reputation ninjaangelbaby reputation ninja
angelbaby reputation ninjaangelbaby reputation ninjaangelbaby reputation ninjaangelbaby reputation ninjaangelbaby reputation ninjaangelbaby reputation ninjaangelbaby reputation ninjaangelbaby reputation ninjaangelbaby reputation ninjaangelbaby reputation ninjaangelbaby reputation ninjaangelbaby reputation ninjaangelbaby reputation ninjaangelbaby reputation ninjaangelbaby reputation ninja
Send a message via Yahoo to angelbaby Send a message via Skype™ to angelbaby
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shes Got Heart View Post
I think trying to make a dog vegan is extremely unnatural.
dogs are meant to eat meat, I can see going all raw meat but they really dont need vegis lie people do they need meat. Agree with SGH 's post.
__________________
Pit bulls are..... Beauty without Vanity, Strength without Insolence, Courage without Ferocity, and all the Virtues of Man, without his Vices.""
angelbaby is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-08-2011, 07:11 PM   #9 (permalink)
Banned
(Reason)
 

Eagle reputation ninjaEagle reputation ninjaEagle reputation ninjaEagle reputation ninjaEagle reputation ninjaEagle reputation ninjaEagle reputation ninjaEagle reputation ninjaEagle reputation ninjaEagle reputation ninjaEagle reputation ninjaEagle reputation ninjaEagle reputation ninjaEagle reputation ninjaEagle reputation ninja
Eagle reputation ninjaEagle reputation ninjaEagle reputation ninjaEagle reputation ninjaEagle reputation ninjaEagle reputation ninjaEagle reputation ninjaEagle reputation ninjaEagle reputation ninjaEagle reputation ninjaEagle reputation ninjaEagle reputation ninjaEagle reputation ninjaEagle reputation ninjaEagle reputation ninja
I just keep it simple and use Purina Pro Plan, Chicken & Rice. Somebody once asked me how I plan to make a diet for my dogs, better than that made by a company who spent millions of dollars in research, full-time study, and who were educated far more than a dog owner will ever be? IMO, in the older days this may have been helpful, and unless you're preparing a dog for a show or competition, or a diet, it's better to stick with top brand dog food.

BTW, Pro Plan is 95% digestable, which means the benefits outweigh the mess in the yard. Most dog foods are the quality of cereal, it washes straight through, which increases the dogs appetite. Since I switched to Pro Plan, I've noticed changes in both appearance, and a more consistant appetite. They usually average 4 cups a day, and if they are hungry from extra activity, they let me know.

Yes, dogs are carnavores, and need meat to live.
Eagle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-08-2011, 07:58 PM   #10 (permalink)
Work them Pet Bulls!
 
Blue_Nose_Bella's Avatar
 

Blue_Nose_Bella reputation ninjaBlue_Nose_Bella reputation ninjaBlue_Nose_Bella reputation ninjaBlue_Nose_Bella reputation ninjaBlue_Nose_Bella reputation ninjaBlue_Nose_Bella reputation ninjaBlue_Nose_Bella reputation ninjaBlue_Nose_Bella reputation ninjaBlue_Nose_Bella reputation ninjaBlue_Nose_Bella reputation ninjaBlue_Nose_Bella reputation ninjaBlue_Nose_Bella reputation ninjaBlue_Nose_Bella reputation ninjaBlue_Nose_Bella reputation ninjaBlue_Nose_Bella reputation ninja
Blue_Nose_Bella reputation ninjaBlue_Nose_Bella reputation ninjaBlue_Nose_Bella reputation ninjaBlue_Nose_Bella reputation ninjaBlue_Nose_Bella reputation ninjaBlue_Nose_Bella reputation ninjaBlue_Nose_Bella reputation ninjaBlue_Nose_Bella reputation ninjaBlue_Nose_Bella reputation ninjaBlue_Nose_Bella reputation ninjaBlue_Nose_Bella reputation ninjaBlue_Nose_Bella reputation ninjaBlue_Nose_Bella reputation ninjaBlue_Nose_Bella reputation ninjaBlue_Nose_Bella reputation ninja
Eagle, purina is crap food no matter how you look at it. If it works for your dogs that's great but it ain't nothing but a bunch of fillers in it. I would at least look into better quality dog foods. Purina spends more money on advertising and pretty bags than they do on the food itself.

And yes, I think it is border line cruelty to make a dog eat a vegan diet. They are carnivores and need meat. I would never deny my dog from what it craves to appease myself. I can be vegan but my dog doesn't deserve to be. It is a choice humans make not eat meat and it shouldn't be placed on our dogs. JMO but to each his own :-/
__________________

*Raw fed dawg*
~If your dog is fat, you aren't getting enough excercise!~
"Hated by some, loved by many. The American Pit Bull Terrier will always reign supreme"
Blue_Nose_Bella is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-08-2011, 08:01 PM   #11 (permalink)
 
angelbaby's Avatar
 
Tournaments Won: 1

1x peanuts place supporter 4x Dog of the Month
angelbaby reputation ninjaangelbaby reputation ninjaangelbaby reputation ninjaangelbaby reputation ninjaangelbaby reputation ninjaangelbaby reputation ninjaangelbaby reputation ninjaangelbaby reputation ninjaangelbaby reputation ninjaangelbaby reputation ninjaangelbaby reputation ninjaangelbaby reputation ninjaangelbaby reputation ninjaangelbaby reputation ninjaangelbaby reputation ninja
angelbaby reputation ninjaangelbaby reputation ninjaangelbaby reputation ninjaangelbaby reputation ninjaangelbaby reputation ninjaangelbaby reputation ninjaangelbaby reputation ninjaangelbaby reputation ninjaangelbaby reputation ninjaangelbaby reputation ninjaangelbaby reputation ninjaangelbaby reputation ninjaangelbaby reputation ninjaangelbaby reputation ninjaangelbaby reputation ninja
Send a message via Yahoo to angelbaby Send a message via Skype™ to angelbaby
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue_Nose_Bella View Post
Eagle, purina is crap food no matter how you look at it. If it works for your dogs that's great but it ain't nothing but a bunch of fillers in it. I would at least look into better quality dog foods. Purina spends more money on advertising and pretty bags than they do on the food itself.

And yes, I think it is border line cruelty to make a dog eat a vegan diet. They are carnivores and need meat. I would never deny my dog from what it craves to appease myself. I can be vegan but my dog doesn't deserve to be. It is a choice humans make not eat meat and it shouldn't be placed on our dogs. JMO but to each his own :-/
__________________
Pit bulls are..... Beauty without Vanity, Strength without Insolence, Courage without Ferocity, and all the Virtues of Man, without his Vices.""
angelbaby is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-08-2011, 08:06 PM   #12 (permalink)
OCD Bullyologist
 
pitbullmamanatl's Avatar
 

3x Dog of the Month
pitbullmamanatl reputation ninjapitbullmamanatl reputation ninjapitbullmamanatl reputation ninjapitbullmamanatl reputation ninjapitbullmamanatl reputation ninjapitbullmamanatl reputation ninjapitbullmamanatl reputation ninjapitbullmamanatl reputation ninjapitbullmamanatl reputation ninjapitbullmamanatl reputation ninjapitbullmamanatl reputation ninjapitbullmamanatl reputation ninjapitbullmamanatl reputation ninjapitbullmamanatl reputation ninjapitbullmamanatl reputation ninja
pitbullmamanatl reputation ninjapitbullmamanatl reputation ninjapitbullmamanatl reputation ninjapitbullmamanatl reputation ninjapitbullmamanatl reputation ninjapitbullmamanatl reputation ninjapitbullmamanatl reputation ninjapitbullmamanatl reputation ninjapitbullmamanatl reputation ninjapitbullmamanatl reputation ninjapitbullmamanatl reputation ninjapitbullmamanatl reputation ninjapitbullmamanatl reputation ninjapitbullmamanatl reputation ninjapitbullmamanatl reputation ninja
Send a message via Yahoo to pitbullmamanatl Send a message via Skype™ to pitbullmamanatl
Eagle, there is no way that Purina Rpo Plan is 95% digestible. It is full of junk and fillers and contains so many controversial red flag ingredients. Raw diets are 90-97% digestible, including the bone, whereas most kibbled foods are 40-70% digestible (some of the better, holistic kibbles have higher digestibilities than this figure). Even premium dog kibbles, while more digestible than many other kibbles, yield stools that are rather large compared to a raw-fed animal's poop.
__________________
Lauren, Kangol, & ABKC CH New Pair of Shox
The Bully Booth- Producer
ABKC- Rep


*If you can't take the heat don't annoy the dragon*

pitbullmamanatl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-08-2011, 08:16 PM   #13 (permalink)
Banned
(Reason)
 

Eagle reputation ninjaEagle reputation ninjaEagle reputation ninjaEagle reputation ninjaEagle reputation ninjaEagle reputation ninjaEagle reputation ninjaEagle reputation ninjaEagle reputation ninjaEagle reputation ninjaEagle reputation ninjaEagle reputation ninjaEagle reputation ninjaEagle reputation ninjaEagle reputation ninja
Eagle reputation ninjaEagle reputation ninjaEagle reputation ninjaEagle reputation ninjaEagle reputation ninjaEagle reputation ninjaEagle reputation ninjaEagle reputation ninjaEagle reputation ninjaEagle reputation ninjaEagle reputation ninjaEagle reputation ninjaEagle reputation ninjaEagle reputation ninjaEagle reputation ninja
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue_Nose_Bella View Post
Eagle, purina is crap food no matter how you look at it. If it works for your dogs that's great but it ain't nothing but a bunch of fillers in it. I would at least look into better quality dog foods. Purina spends more money on advertising and pretty bags than they do on the food itself.

And yes, I think it is border line cruelty to make a dog eat a vegan diet. They are carnivores and need meat. I would never deny my dog from what it craves to appease myself. I can be vegan but my dog doesn't deserve to be. It is a choice humans make not eat meat and it shouldn't be placed on our dogs. JMO but to each his own :-/
Purina has different qualities, of different prices. A fact is a fact, and the testing on Purina is over 90% digestable. Pro Plan is Purina's best. I was also told Iams is pretty good.

Last edited by Eagle; 06-09-2011 at 05:32 AM.
Eagle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-08-2011, 08:17 PM   #14 (permalink)
 
performanceknls's Avatar
 

5x Dog of the Month
performanceknls reputation ninjaperformanceknls reputation ninjaperformanceknls reputation ninjaperformanceknls reputation ninjaperformanceknls reputation ninjaperformanceknls reputation ninjaperformanceknls reputation ninjaperformanceknls reputation ninjaperformanceknls reputation ninjaperformanceknls reputation ninjaperformanceknls reputation ninjaperformanceknls reputation ninjaperformanceknls reputation ninjaperformanceknls reputation ninjaperformanceknls reputation ninja
performanceknls reputation ninjaperformanceknls reputation ninjaperformanceknls reputation ninjaperformanceknls reputation ninjaperformanceknls reputation ninjaperformanceknls reputation ninjaperformanceknls reputation ninjaperformanceknls reputation ninjaperformanceknls reputation ninjaperformanceknls reputation ninjaperformanceknls reputation ninjaperformanceknls reputation ninjaperformanceknls reputation ninjaperformanceknls reputation ninjaperformanceknls reputation ninja
I said it before in this thread VEGAN diets are not for carnivores and one reason I really do not like many people who are vegan. They try to make everything else in their life vegan even when it is not healthy for them. I know a lot of vegans because many of my moms friends are vegans and they all look unhealthy, skinny, sunken eyes, and just not natural. I know that is a generalization but that has been my experience. Like I said cats go blind without meat and it cannot be healthy for dogs. I even know vegans who have not feed their kids meat and the kids got sick. That is child cruelty and animal cruelty if you ask me. I try not to generalize but that has been my experience.
__________________
Custom K9 Performance Dog Training and Kennel

Quote:
Originally Posted by pitbullmamanatl View Post
I am a bitch who is never too busy to enjoy the misery of someone else,
performanceknls is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-08-2011, 08:26 PM   #15 (permalink)
ACCOUNT CLOSED
 

9361 reputation ninja9361 reputation ninja9361 reputation ninja9361 reputation ninja9361 reputation ninja9361 reputation ninja9361 reputation ninja9361 reputation ninja9361 reputation ninja9361 reputation ninja9361 reputation ninja9361 reputation ninja9361 reputation ninja9361 reputation ninja9361 reputation ninja
9361 reputation ninja9361 reputation ninja9361 reputation ninja9361 reputation ninja9361 reputation ninja9361 reputation ninja9361 reputation ninja9361 reputation ninja9361 reputation ninja9361 reputation ninja9361 reputation ninja9361 reputation ninja9361 reputation ninja9361 reputation ninja9361 reputation ninja
Dogs certainly wouldn't be vegan by choice. If you waved a big steak in front of them, they are going to want it! lol
9361 is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
raw, vegan

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On




PetGuide.com
Basset.net DobermanTalk.com GoldenRetrieverForum.com OurBeagleWorld.com
BoxerForums.com DogForums.com GoPitbull.com PoodleForum.com
BulldogBreeds.com FishForums.com HavaneseForum.com SpoiledMaltese.com
CatForum.com GermanShepherds.com Labradoodle-dogs.net YorkieForum.com
Chihuahua-People.com RetrieverBreeds.com

All times are GMT. The time now is 01:41 PM.
Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.3.2
pitbull , pitbulls , pit bulls , american pitbull terrier , apbt , bsl , pitbull forums , pitbull pictures , pitbull information
Go Pitbull Site Map
Go Pitbull