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Old 05-11-2015, 12:44 AM   #25 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by WesS View Post
That is why pitbull's eclipse all other breeds in human mauling cases, causing grievious bodily harm? Or Deaths?
Not APBTs, "Pit Bulls" in the generic term that the media uses, which actually covers over 20 breeds. I'm sure if you lumped together 20 other breeds' statistics, they'd look pretty serious too.
The ratio between GSD's (My choice of dogs) and Pitbulls, is 10 - 1, in such cases, if not more. The GSD is also not the 'most innocent'. So makes you think.
The reasons why? Many.. Breeding for Gameness, again agression is agression. Dog on dog agression, Dog on Cat agression, Dog on Bull agresssion? Dog on Bear agression? Pits were used for all these things.
Yes, but their original purpose was dog fighting, and no one wants to get in between two fighting dogs if that dog's likely to redirect onto the handler. Thus the APBT was created to be dog aggressive, but not human aggressive.
The idea that human agression is completely bred out is speculative at best. True, there will always be manbiters, that can be said of any breed. No one's claiming that Pit Bulls are NEVER human aggressive. We just stated above we would put a dog down if that were the case.
Even badly managed GSD's can be agressive to strangers, inspite of being bred against it. The point is a pit is more likely to show such agression. A pit is more likely to cause more serious damage, with its bite and hold style. The pitt is a mauler, no way around that.
I don't agree that Pit Bulls are "maulers", but whatever, that's an opinion.

The other problem, is there is hardly a coherent Pit breeding standard. Wrong. There is a very clear breed standard and has been for over a hundred years. The ADBA is the main registry for APBTs, check it out if you haven't heard of it.
Historically they had to be fighting dogs. An inhumane trait. Banned, and rightfully so.
Again, your opinion.
AKC has no breed standard.
Thank god, they've ruined enough breeds.
UKC sort of has one. Many countries around the world dont have. Many nations have the pitbull banned. So it creates backyard breeders, who have no clue in what they are doing.
There are backyard breeders of every breed.

So how can the pit possibly be standardised? Some people call the Pitbull as clump of dogs, instead of rightfully using the name to refer to the Am Pitbull (Only called american because it was first registered there, not because it originated there.).
I'm very aware of that. That's also one of the reasons those statistics you talk about so much are completely skewed.

So between speculative standardisation, breed standards. Confused breeders, with oversived pits, with strange mixes calling them pits. Its a complete mess.The bully mutt world is a mess, the APBT world isn't. There are plenty of ethical APBT breeders, handlers, and fanciers out there who remain separate from the rest of the bullshit.
Ill bet you would have a hard time exactly defining what an Am Pit really is. Not at all.
People from all over will disagree. So their is also the issue of breeding weaker nerved dogs.

The apathy of the 'more educated pitbull owners', the guys who respect the power and history of the breed, is like the olden days is to shoot, or euthanise by needle the dog. So that their image is not tarnished, in their self taught lies.Wrong again. It has nothing to do with their image, it's about preventing an animal from harming someone.

The facts are the facts, at the end of the day you can not argue with acturial evidence. Blatant statistics. When statistics are concerned the temperment is less important as everything else.
Your "facts" are just opinions.

Sure their is the issue that a 'fighting dog' with never say die, and gameness, will always atract thug owners. Thats part in parcel of the problem. But like I said. Its not just sketchy breeding and genetics. Its who the dog attracts into ownership. I can perfectly see how one would be attracted to the power of the pit. The genetic variability, which often makes them healthier dogs, stronger dogs. The admiration for the perfect specimen. But people seem more concerned with bastardising it, and bluring the lines between pitts and bully breeds.
Uneducated folks do, but those who actually care about the breed do the opposite. They keep the breed alive and well.

Its a mess. So to act like their is no predisposition to human agression, is a blatant lie. And holds no water. People need to realise that a dog that was bred to be agressive towards anything.
But it wasn't. It was specifically bred not to be aggressive towards humans.
A dog that was bred, to hold and fight until death. A dog that was bred for gameness will always be powerfull. It was always be volatile.

Now a pitbull is no lion. It can be managed. But it needs more educated owners. It needs owners that can control their dogs. It need's owners that put time into training their dogs. It needs owners who manage their dogs correctly.
Couldn't agree more.

I came here to have a look into the pitbull world. I always admired the breed, although it was never my cup of tea. Yet I find this forum, litered with serious attacks, to dogs and humans. I mean this post immidiately popped up. Spending time on other forums. And GSD focused forums, you dont often see these types of posts.. Why do you think that is?
You must be looking for some pretty specific threads if you're finding it "littered" with attacks here. This thread is a year old and it immediately pops up? Let's stop pretending that you don't have your own agenda, here, alright?
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