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9361 12-04-2009 12:13 AM

Bully breeders who health test and CH
 
Can anyone show me links to bully breeders that health test and Ch their dogs? I am just curious to see what the actual standards and goals in breeding healthy bullies.

bluefamily 12-04-2009 02:23 PM

we health test (OFA CERF and BAER) and do title workso far. We go by the breed standard. Our bullies aren't real thick. the most we weigh is 63 lbs..... so far we are still having fun and see fair judges.

bahamutt99 12-04-2009 03:17 PM

*edit* Apologize. I got mixed up. It was Ruckus that I was thinking of.

los44 12-04-2009 04:14 PM

Semperfibullies.net

BullyTheKid 12-04-2009 06:13 PM

Ruckuskennels.com

American_Pit13 12-04-2009 06:14 PM

Korio Kennels

However are you looking for bully breeders who UKC/AKC title or ABKC title? Since the ABKC is newer many bullies have not had a chance to tile in that area.

9361 12-04-2009 06:59 PM

Thanks everyone I'll check the sites out.

bahamutt99 12-05-2009 05:00 AM

I edited my earlier post. I was thinking of a different kennel. I really am not as worried about show titles on these dogs due to the relatively new nature of the AmBully. But why aren't more health-testing? That doesn't even require papers, so there's really no excuse to not do it now. Today. Before one breeds.

Chavezpits 12-05-2009 05:38 AM

We do health test and show mostly all of our dogs, but I have a huge list of dogs that need to be done....hopefully next year.

Ms.Chavez

los44 12-05-2009 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by bahamutt99 (Post 237189)
I edited my earlier post. I was thinking of a different kennel. I really am not as worried about show titles on these dogs due to the relatively new nature of the AmBully. But why aren't more health-testing? That doesn't even require papers, so there's really no excuse to not do it now. Today. Before one breeds.

not to mention for the price they charge. many dont even wait till the dogs are even semi mature, i mean what good is a health test on a 9 month old pup? btw :goodpost:

bahamutt99 12-05-2009 03:34 PM

That is another good way to weed out those who are health testing from those who just say they are. If one is advertizing an 18-month-old stud and saying he's health-tested, they are flat-out lying. Some big-name breeders are hooking up their females at that age, too, because they know they can get away without health-testing due to their reputation. You can prelim a puppy, but you're not going to get true results until that dog is 2 years old. If they're healthy, they've got a lot of good breeding years in them, so its stupid and greedy to go breeding them so young.

I recommend digging. Passing health test results go into the public OFA database, and you can look them up. Sometimes you have to sift a little bit because of their search engine. If the breeder is sensible, they will provide you with a direct link where you can see it. Beware the breeder who just does one or two of the more obscure tests (cardiac, patella), because most likely they're just looking for the stuff their dog has the highest chance of passing.

Pony up those results, breeders. Gravity APBTs - Loki /// OFA: Display OFA Records

9361 12-07-2009 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by bahamutt99 (Post 237251)
That is another good way to weed out those who are health testing from those who just say they are. If one is advertizing an 18-month-old stud and saying he's health-tested, they are flat-out lying. Some big-name breeders are hooking up their females at that age, too, because they know they can get away without health-testing due to their reputation. You can prelim a puppy, but you're not going to get true results until that dog is 2 years old. If they're healthy, they've got a lot of good breeding years in them, so its stupid and greedy to go breeding them so young.

I recommend digging. Passing health test results go into the public OFA database, and you can look them up. Sometimes you have to sift a little bit because of their search engine. If the breeder is sensible, they will provide you with a direct link where you can see it. Beware the breeder who just does one or two of the more obscure tests (cardiac, patella), because most likely they're just looking for the stuff their dog has the highest chance of passing.

Pony up those results, breeders. Gravity APBTs - Loki /// OFA: Display OFA Records

Good reading, thanks Lindsay. I'm still new at looking at a lot of the stuff, especially health tests. So that all makes a lot of sense. I don't understand the point of people starting a "new" breed with unhealthy stock.
Did you see that the KC in the UK recently changed the English bulldog standard because they were just saw unsound?

Chavezpits 12-15-2009 10:14 PM

Beware the breeder who just does one or two of the more obscure tests (cardiac, patella), because most likely they're just looking for the stuff their dog has the highest chance of passing.

I think heart is the most important test for any dogs....
Here is the link and info
OFA: Cardiac Information

Congenital Heart Disease

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Congenital heart diseases in dogs are malformations of the heart or great vessels. The lesions characterizing congenital heart defects are present at birth and may develop more fully during perinatal and growth periods. Many congenital heart defects are thought to be genetically transmitted from parents to offspring; however, the exact modes of inheritance have not been precisely determined for all cardiovascular malformations.

Developmental Inherited Cardiac Diseases (SAS and Cardiomyopathy)

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At this time inherited, developmental cardiac diseases like subaortic stenosis and cardiomyopathies are difficult to monitor since there is no clear cut distinction between normal and abnormal. The OFA will modify the congenital cardiac database when a proven diagnostic modality and normal parameters by breed are established. However at this time, the OFA cardiac database should not be considered as a screening tool for these diseases.
Purpose of Cardiac Database

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To gather data regarding congenital heart diseases in dogs and to identify dogs which are phenotypically normal prior to use in a breeding program. For the purposes of the database, a phenotypically normal dog is defined as:

One without a cardiac murmur -or-

One with an innocent heart murmur that is found to be otherwise normal by virtue of an echocardiographic examination which includes Doppler echocardiography

Patella information
OFA: Patellar Luxation Information


Hip dysplasia
OFA: Hip Dysplasia

Sampsons Dad 12-16-2009 01:09 AM

is this for pits/bullies only?...lol

Patch-O-Pits 12-16-2009 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Sampsons Dad (Post 240919)
is this for pits/bullies only?...lol

Anyone can health test. If the dog is not breeding stock or a working dog
it is done for the pet owner's piece of mind.

Testing is a tool not the end all be all of a breeding program.
As some of you may not realize, even dogs that test OFA excellent in hips can and have at times produced HD in pups etc. Genetics is complicated and testing is not foolproof, however it is a start to helping to find out what runs in a line. The father back testing is in a ped the more reliable the results.

The below is about APBTs and also applies to Bullies in most of what I'm writing

I think OFA cardac testing is at the top of my list especially after seeing several friend's dog suffer and eventually die or be put down due to heart issues and others who have restricted exercise and are on meds.

FYI patella issues are on the rise in this breed from what I've seen as well.

Off topic a little...
There are also a ton of dogs coming up with multi ACL injuries, which in an athlete/ working dog can be more common due to higher activity stress levels but for the average pet dog I'm really surprised to see so many, which makes me think that there may be some sort of genetic predisposition in some lines. I don't know.

There are still so many unknown factors when it comes to genetics.

Some cancers also have genetic factors, however at this point with dogs I haven't seen reliable testing. I didn't even know how common cancer was in out breed until I lost a dog at 2 1/2 years old to it...
FYI Both her parents were fully health tested.... that didn't save her.

Just making the point there are no guarantees.

So those of you looking at dogs and or thinking of breeding, make sure to look at the big picture. What I find on forums is people on the outside and those who even know nothing about breding are very quick to judge and make comments. So make sure you are doing what you truly feel is best for your dogs. m My best advice is to make educated decisions and weigh out factors.

When looking for pups, research research and then research some more and be happy with the choice you make. Sometimes you might be dealt a hand so to speak that you weren't expecting no matter how hard you try.


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