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Old 01-23-2014, 06:22 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Old 01-24-2014, 04:19 AM   #19 (permalink)
 
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Thanks everyone! I'm not too worried about the price, I paid a lot for my GSDs but in the long run it saves from what I've discovered!

I'll start with their mag, that'll probably offer a bit more information too.


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Mocha, just make sure with already having a dog that an APBT is what you really want. I don't know if the dog is going to be around the other dog or not. But it never hurts to throw out a reminder to make sure you can handle both dogs and insure their safety before obtaining a APBT puppy.

Their Mag isn't that bad. I love it. Its filled with good knowledge and Kennels have Ads in it and some ads gives Bloodlines and such.

Anyways, good luck on the pup hunt.
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Old 01-24-2014, 01:14 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Mocha Joe, many good APBT breeders don't do the health tests you mention. These dogs are not like shepherds which can have a lot of health issues so I wouldn't rule out good breeder who don't do elbow/hip/eye etc. tests.

The kennels that were suggested to you that DO do those tests are not traditional bred APBTs so I guess it depends on what you are looking for. They are really nice dogs though and would probably do well with agility! Where are you located? I'd probably go to some local ADBA shows or even the UKC shows in your area and talk to some of the folks there. That really is the best way to find out what you want. There is a breeder near me actually who does do all theses tests and she does all kinds of sports with her dogs. But I believe she places them on co-own contracts...so that is another thing to think about.
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Mocha Joe, many good APBT breeders don't do the health tests you mention. These dogs are not like shepherds which can have a lot of health issues so I wouldn't rule out good breeder who don't do elbow/hip/eye etc.

I would totally rule out a non reputable responsible breeder and ones that do not health test are not responsible, no matter the breed. I have heard many times people need to do XYZ to not be a BYB. Then they go on and say when push comes to shove the APBT is different and doesn't need health testing as much. Ugh totally defeats the purpose of health testing. Ones that do not health test heart hips eyes aren't reputable to me. I know breeders that health test. I know many many too many who do not. I would totally hold out til I found one that did everything I considered responsible breeder. Like I said above there are many things that quantify a reputable breeder why waste time with those not willing to do it all? Why consider those who half ass it and don't do all they can to ensure their stock is sound? And if they do health test there are many other factors for me. I don't like people's goal to just breed pets. Why!? There are so many pets out there already. I could go on and on lol

Everyone will differ on what they think is responsible vs irresponsible but health testing is a big one for me. Totally separate the men from the boys IMO



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I would totally rule out a non reputable responsible breeder and ones that do not health test are not responsible, no matter the breed. I have heard many times people need to do XYZ to not be a BYB. Then they go on and say when push comes to shove the APBT is different and doesn't need health testing as much. Ugh totally defeats the purpose of health testing. Ones that do not health test heart hips eyes aren't reputable to me. I know breeders that health test. I know many many too many who do not. I would totally hold out til I found one that did everything I considered responsible breeder. Like I said above there are many things that quantify a reputable breeder why waste time with those not willing to do it all? Why consider those who half ass it and don't do all they can to ensure their stock is sound? And if they do health test there are many other factors for me. I don't like people's goal to just breed pets. Why!? There are so many pets out there already. I could go on and on lol

Everyone will differ on what they think is responsible vs irresponsible but health testing is a big one for me. Totally separate the men from the boys IMO



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I have to agree. Maybe the APBT doesn't have as many genetic health problems as shepherds NOW, but if people aren't doing the tests today, then down the road they might end up with just as many. I'm not in a rush so I'll have plenty of time to check out some events !


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Old 01-26-2014, 11:17 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Health testing doesn't prevent health problems. Momma and Daddy could check out fine and he entire litter end up with xyz problems.

I wouldn't hold health testing so high. There are plenty responsible breeders who dont health test.
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Old 01-26-2014, 11:28 PM   #25 (permalink)
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I agree not to rule out everyone that doesnt health test as said just because mom and dad check out don't mean said pup won't have problems. Health testing is important to just know if that particular dog has any issues and helps if generations have it and know what has been thrown but, it isn't a complete fail safe. So this is where you check out the breeders and talk to them personally also get to know other buyers and read over their contracts. All reputable breeders will have some kind of contract and all that I know cover any genetic defects that would effect quality of life.
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Health testing doesn't prevent health problems. Momma and Daddy could check out fine and he entire litter end up with xyz problems.

I wouldn't hold health testing so high. There are plenty responsible breeders who dont health test.

Health testing can prevent issues, there are several genetic issues in various breeds that are 100% avoidable by testing. Others you are just stacking the odds in your favor, but why bother going through a breeder if they aren't doing their best to ensure they aren't passing along issues?

Most contracts that cover health guarantees aren't going to pay your huge vet bills if you do end up with a sickly dog and generally you have to return that dog and take another from the same breeder which is a pretty shitty solution imo.
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I will only authorize breeders who health test. Here's an example...if you want a dog for weight pull, you want the parents to have hips elbows and everything else tested before you decide to buy that pup. Anything less is just a shot in the dark and you shouldn't ever pay for something that may or may not serve its purpose.
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