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Old 08-12-2017, 01:13 AM   #16 (permalink)
 

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he says he cannot register her for me. he says i have to do it.
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IDK if that's true or not but you should be able to find out on the UKC and ABKC sites
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Old 08-12-2017, 01:26 AM   #18 (permalink)
 

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thank you. so do you think its safe to buy? why won't he complete registration for me?
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Old 08-12-2017, 01:37 AM   #19 (permalink)
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My hubs said that he has to mail Diesels papers in but he thinks it's a scam. Can you gimme a few days? Let me see what I can find out about the sire and dam listed. You can also try to contact the breeder himself who is listed on the paperwork.
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Old 08-12-2017, 01:48 AM   #20 (permalink)
 

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ok yes i will wait for you to connect with me again. thank you for helping me out.
if i have to mail in diesel papers, can i get that from original breeder?
what shall I ask if I am able to contact original breeder?
I sincerely appreciate your guidance and help through this matter.

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Old 08-12-2017, 02:49 AM   #21 (permalink)
 

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i feel frustrated at this point because I don't know how to contact the person listed as the owner of record is James etc.
I see his address but the only thing I can do is to mail him a letter with my contact information on it. I don't see him on social media, and I can't find any phone number to the address.
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Old 08-12-2017, 12:44 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Listen I understand your frustration but this whole situation is shady as ish. This is NOT how things go with reputable breeders. The price is way off, the papers situation is weird, you don't know who the owner of record is....something is just seriously not right. I'm starting to wonder if you may have bought a stolen dog TBH.

I'm not sure why these papers and potential breeding matter so much to you. I'm not trying to be mean here but you clearly know very little about the dogs, have no background or knowledge on the dog let alone breeding or dog sports or how any of this works. If you got the dog as a family pet my suggestion is to spay her and love her and leave it at that.

If you truly have interests in dog sports I suggest finding out everything you can. Go to shows, talk to real breeders, learn everything you can and THEN go purchase a dog from a reputable breeder and start over. You don't even know if Sadie is structurally sound and would compete well in confirmation and that's not something I can help with. If she has any faults, especially major faults, all this work would be for nothing anyway.

I will look into the sire and dam tonight like I said I would - I'm newer to the pedigrees so it's good practice for me! But I really think you should leave well enough alone and just love your girl and give her a good home and leave it at that.

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Old 08-12-2017, 06:58 PM   #23 (permalink)
 

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the guy i bought her from bought her from a breeder. when i bought her from him, I asked him why he had to get rid of her.
he had 2 other pitbulls he had to rehome as well due to his work schedule, they were stuck in the back yard for over 15 hours a day.
she isn't stolen.
I haven't seen anything online or in any data base for lost animals. I work with rescues out here where i live and we are on top of looking through the data base at animal shelters in our county and outside our county as well.
My current foster dog (not Sadie)came from another city. I literally drove to another city to pick her up from another county shelter to rescue her. she is under the medical care of the dog rescue I work for.
I don't think my Sadie is stolen at all. That is just crazy thoughts.
I have a few friends who work in law who have connection to whole other data base, which allows them to look up a persons information. they offered to find the breeders contact information for me. so hopefully by Monday they will have found it.

I do not wish to spay Sadie until I get her paper work and proof that she is a pedigree dog or not.

It matters to me because it is important to me. So it shouldn't matter to you why it matters or why it is so important to me at all.
I do love her. I never once implied that I don't love her. silly!
she is my big goof ball!
Thank you again for your help!

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Well then it sounds like the next step is to pay for the papers since that is what is going to determine whether you spay her or not. She is super cute btw! Congrats on your beautiful new pup.
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the guy i bought her from bought her from a breeder. when i bought her from him, I asked him why he had to ger rid of her.
he had 2 other pitbulls he had to rehome as well due to his work schedule, they were stuck in the back yard for over 15 hours a day.
she isn't stollen.
I haven't seen anything online or in any data base for lost animals. I work with rescues out here where i live and we are on top of looking through the data base at animal shelters in our county and outside our county as well.
My current foster dog (not Sadie)came from another city. I literally drove to another city to pick her up from another county shelter to rescue her. she is under the medical care of the dog rescue I work for.
I don't think my Sadie is stollen at all. That is just crazy thoughts.
I have a few friends who work in law who have connection to whole other data base, which allows them to look up a persons information. they offered to find the breeders contact information for me. so hopefully by Monday they will have found it.

I do not wish to spay Sadie until I get her paper work and proof that she is a pedigree dog or not.

It matters to me because it is important to me. So it shouldn't matter to you why it matters or why it is so important to me at all.
I do love her. I never once implied that I don't love her. silly!
she is my big goof ball!
Thank you again for your help!
I'm not even sure where to start with this without losing my mind. First let's start with stolen dogs. The only databases for dogs are license databases, microchip databases, and tattoo databases. There are no law enforcement databases where you can enter stolen dogs. Have you taken the dog to a vet to see if it's microchipped? That's really the only way to check. People steal dogs for exactly that reason. They're easy to sell and next to impossible to track. Secondly, I've worked in law enforcement for 20 years. Yep I'm the person who sits behind the computers running all the information AND entering all the information to the databases you speak of. And just for the record, it's illegal AF to run anyone or anything through any of the LE databases for personal reasons. That's a good way to lose your job, lose your agency's access to the databases, and potentially lose your certifications. So if these friends exist it must be nice to know that they're willing to risk their livelihood so you can claim to have some sort of "special" dog.

Finally, how dare you ask why it's important to me or say that it shouldn't be. You've come to a forum full of DOG PEOPLE. TBH we don't really care about you, our concern is only the with dogs. And that's not just making sure they're cared for. That's being stewards for these breeds we love. That's making sure they aren't being bred by idiots who have no idea what they're talking about and only adding to an already bad situation of euthanasia and overpopulation. That's being proponents of breeding for the good of the breed not to help some BYB make some money. We're not here for "status symbols" or helping people act the way you've been acting. I tried to help you out of the goodness of my heart. All the regulars, mods, and admins here truly want to HELP people new to the breeds to help the breeds. I have three APBT mixes, aka mutts, and I couldn't be prouder to say that.

I should have known better by your obsession with papers, the "illustrious" AKC, and your rude comments to other members here that you're in it for the wrong reasons. You're not here for the good of the breeds or the good of the dog because guess what, the dog could care less if he has some stupid papers. You're here for the good of yourself and people like you, with your ignorance and attitude aren't welcome here.

I hope I don't scare any new or potential members away because we all really do want to help those who want help. We love our dogs and their breeds and want better FOR THEM and will help anyone looking for the same things. But you won't get anymore help from me as I will NOT enable some dog ignorant BYB make a quick buck or have some dog they treat as an accessory because they think it makes them special or important.

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PS - It's stolen not stollen
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I'm not even sure where to start with this without losing my mind. First let's start with stolen dogs. The only databases for dogs are license databases, microchip databases, and tattoo databases. There are no law enforcement databases where you can enter stolen dogs. Have you taken the dog to a vet to see if it's microchipped? That's really the only way to check. People steal dogs for exactly that reason. They're easy to sell and next to impossible to track. Secondly, I've worked in law enforcement for 20 years. Yep I'm the person who sits behind the computers running all the information AND entering all the information to the databases you speak of. And just for the record, it's illegal AF to run anyone or anything through any of the LE databases for personal reasons. That's a good way to lose your job, lose your agency's access to the databases, and potentially lose your certifications. So if these friends exist it must be nice to know that they're willing to risk their livelihood so you can claim to have some sort of "special" dog.

Finally, how dare you ask why it's important to me or say that it shouldn't be. You've come to a forum full of DOG PEOPLE. TBH we don't really care about you, our concern is only the with dogs. And that's not just making sure they're cared for. That's being stewards for these breeds we love. That's making sure they aren't being bred by idiots who have no idea what they're talking about and only adding to an already bad situation of euthanasia and overpopulation. That's being proponents of breeding for the good of the breed not to help some BYB make some money. We're not here for "status symbols" or helping people act the way you've been acting. I tried to help you out of the goodness of my heart. All the regulars, mods, and admins here truly want to HELP people new to the breeds to help the breeds. I have three APBT mixes, aka mutts, and I couldn't be prouder to say that.

I should have known better by your obsession with papers, the "illustrious" AKC, and your rude comments to other members here that you're in it for the wrong reasons. You're not here for the good of the breeds or the good of the dog because guess what, the dog could care less if he has some stupid papers. You're here for the good of yourself and people like you, with your ignorance and attitude aren't welcome here.

I hope I don't scare any new or potential members away because we all really do want to help those who want help. We love our dogs and their breeds and want better FOR THEM and will help anyone looking for the same things. But you won't get anymore help from me as I will NOT enable some dog ignorant BYB make a quick buck or have some dog they treat as an accessory because they think it makes them special or important.

~Jess

PS - It's stolen not stollen

Didn't scare this newbie away! Excellent post.
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Old 08-13-2017, 07:34 AM   #27 (permalink)
 

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Thank you!

Thank you!
I love her so much!
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Okay so you realize that every body that breeds pedigree dogs have to start from scratch? Like they go and get a dog and start from there.
That doesn't mean they become back yard breeders.
A very great example is my dog's private trainer's boss. His boss got this dog, it's called a Malinois. He bred it with another pedigree dog and trains them all from infancy through 3 months and goes even further. After adoption he continues to train them. His profession is dog trainer and dog breeder, and police k9 dog breeder and trainer.
My point is that he started with this 1 dog. His main dog who helped him start his business. He is famous now all over California and the UK and other countries. He sells each dog for 5 grand and up.
Point is that he started from scratch. I am not dog trainer, nor will I ever be. But I have always wanted to breed a dog and get into doing that, even as a kid. It was always my wish to be able to show a dog in the ring, win titles and breed it with another winner.
So here I am with my beautiful dog that I wish to breed in a few years, and show her in the show rings!
Your driving yourself crazy thinking and throwing accusations that I am not in it for the right reasons blah blah blah.
Your an adult, so you should also speak only for yourself and not for other people. I am sure other people don't appreciate that of you, to throw them under the buss and speak for them, on how they feel about anything!
At the end of the day, it is someone's personal decision to breed their dog, not yours!
So you can go ahead and disagree all you want but your disagreement and anger towards me will not chase me or scare me away from this website!
I never made you crazy, you make the decision yourself and put that on yourself!
My dog is not kidnapped or stolen! She was purchased from a breeder directly an then I purchased her from her first owner who could no longer give her or provide her with a good solid home. Just because i purchased her for "cheap" as you claim, it doesn't mean an animal is stolen from someone.
Some people want to look for a suitable home for their pets and don't charge the outrageous 2 grand for the dog.

So by all means your welcome to keep driving yourself mad.
I will still continue to write posts on my dog.

I have done a ton of research and watched many documentaries on breeding for the last 5 years of my life. so it's not like I am jumping into this blindly and suddenly! My girl is 7 months old. too young to even breed right now! But not too young to show in the show rings!
It took me a good solid year to find a good solid dog that was worth breeding.
Yes I am going to buy her papers this upcoming weekend. I am pretty excited. As you can tell. I can't wait to be able to take her and show her off! All my life..well since I was 8 years old, I have been rescuing animals, finding them homes, even giving homes to some rescues, myself. I finally got a dog that I wanted to have, that I wanted to show and breed! And your angry about it? that doesn't even make any sense!
Why don't you just go to the dog ABKC, AKC, and UKC dog shows and yell at everyone who has a pedigree dog because they all breed them! Your gonna be angry about people who breed as a profession? Guess what? They all started with one dog! Then they gain experience and more knowledge over time ! So for you to even tell me "you have no experience in breeding!" No sh* sherlock! everybody starts somewhere! Why don't you tell me something I don't know about myself since you obviously know everything about me!

Oh and I was never rude to you in any of my prior messages!
Not once was I rude to you!
Just because I said "it's important to me, so it shouldn't matter to you why it's important to me." That was me telling you in a nice, non rude way that it's actually none of your business to know why it's important to me!
But you took it out of context and decided I was rude to you when in fact I was being polite and telling you in a nice none rude way!


PS: about my friend, she will be fine. she has access to look him up, but she doesn't just go on it with out asking her boss to use it. She will do it and find out for me. I even asked my family attorney to do it but she said she doesn't have access to that data base because she doesn't work in that profession to have to need that data base for anything. So my friend will look it up. If she doesn't have luck, I have other friends and family who work in law who may be able to help me find his contact information. So it isn't the end of the world for me. I was merely expressing my own frustration on not being able to find his contact information on my own terms. I tried but no luck. No reason for you to have piss poor attitude towards me because I expressed my frustration out to you. I am sure working your job , you felt the feeling of frustration many times. It's normal for someone to confide their feelings to someone which I was doing to you and now your angry at me for nothing. Thanks for the help and support. I really appreciate it.

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Okay so you realize that every body that breeds pedigree dogs have to start from scratch? Like they go and get a dog and start from there.
That doesn't mean they become back yard breeders.
A very great example is my dog's private trainer's boss. His boss got this dog, it's called a Malinois. He bred it with another pedigree dog and trains them all from infancy through 3 months and goes even further. After adoption he continues to train them. His profession is dog trainer and dog breeder, and police k9 dog breeder and trainer.
My point is that he started with this 1 dog. His main dog who helped him start his business. He is famous now all over California and the UK and other countries. He sells each dog for 5 grand and up.
Point is that he started from scratch. I am not dog trainer, nor will I ever be. But I have always wanted to breed a dog and get into doing that, even as a kid. It was always my wish to be able to show a dog in the ring, win titles and breed it with another winner.
So here I am with my beautiful dog that I wish to breed in a few years, and show her in the show rings!
Your driving yourself crazy thinking and throwing accusations that I am not in it for the right reasons blah blah blah.
Your an adult, so you should also speak only for yourself and not for other people. I am sure other people don't appreciate that of you, to throw them under the buss and speak for them, on how they feel about anything!
At the end of the day, it is someone's personal decision to breed their dog, not yours!
So you can go ahead and disagree all you want but your disagreement and anger towards me will not chase me or scare me away from this website!
I never made you crazy, you make the decision yourself and put that on yourself!
My dog is not kidnapped or stolen! She was purchased from a breeder directly an then I purchased her from her first owner who could no longer give her or provide her with a good solid home. Just because i purchased her for "cheap" as you claim, it doesn't mean an animal is stolen from someone.
Some people want to look for a suitable home for their pets and don't charge the outrageous 2 grand for the dog.

So by all means your welcome to keep driving yourself mad.
I will still continue to write posts on my dog.

I have done a ton of research and watched many documentaries on breeding for the last 5 years of my life. so it's not like I am jumping into this blindly and suddenly! My girl is 7 months old. too young to even breed right now! But not too young to show in the show rings!
It took me a good solid year to find a good solid dog that was worth breeding.
Yes I am going to buy her papers this upcoming weekend. I am pretty excited. As you can tell. I can't wait to be able to take her and show her off! All my life..well since I was 8 years old, I have been rescuing animals, finding them homes, even giving homes to some rescues, myself. I finally got a dog that I wanted to have, that I wanted to show and breed! And your angry about it? that doesn't even make any sense!
Why don't you just go to the dog ABKC, AKC, and UKC dog shows and yell at everyone who has a pedigree dog because they all breed them! Your gonna be angry about people who breed as a profession? Guess what? They all started with one dog! Then they gain experience and more knowledge over time ! So for you to even tell me "you have no experience in breeding!" No sh* sherlock! everybody starts somewhere! Why don't you tell me something I don't know about myself since you obviously know everything about me!

Oh and I was never rude to you in any of my prior messages!
Not once was I rude to you!
Just because I said "it's important to me, so it shouldn't matter to you why it's important to me." That was me telling you in a nice, non rude way that it's actually none of your business to know why it's important to me!
But you took it out of context and decided I was rude to you when in fact I was being polite and telling you in a nice none rude way!


PS: about my friend, she will be fine. she has access to look him up, but she doesn't just go on it with out asking her boss to use it. She will do it and find out for me. I even asked my family attorney to do it but she said she doesn't have access to that data base because she doesn't work in that profession to have to need that data base for anything. So my friend will look it up. If she doesn't have luck, I have other friends and family who work in law who may be able to help me find his contact information. So it isn't the end of the world for me. I was merely expressing my own frustration on not being able to find his contact information on my own terms. I tried but no luck. No reason for you to have piss poor attitude towards me because I expressed my frustration out to you. I am sure working your job , you felt the feeling of frustration many times. It's normal for someone to confide their feelings to someone which I was doing to you and now your angry at me for nothing. Thanks for the help and support. I really appreciate it.
The Malinois originated in Belgium in the 1800's and are named after the city in Belgium where they originated from. My husband is certified in training and handling police/corrections K-9's and did so for many many years. He preferred the Dutch Shepard to the Mal due to the Dutch Shepard having a stronger bite and being overall generally stronger. The Mal's advantage is they are smaller and much faster. Most police K9's are purchased and brought from overseas, mainly the Netherlands and Belgium, hence why so many dogs are trained and handled in Dutch. If you're going to breed and know so much at least know what kind of dog you have. You have an American Bully. You came here a few days ago claiming you had a pocket pit bull.

I'm not angry with you, you're going to do what you're going to do. It doesn't mean I can't continue to advocate for dogs who have no voice. It's just a shame for the breeds and that makes me sad. I'm not interested in getting in some pissing match with you as you clearly don't want to hear anything that anyone has to tell you and honestly have no idea what you're talking about or to whom you're dealing with.

I wish you no harm and wish better for your dog.
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so many red flags in this...

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Okay so you realize that every body that breeds pedigree dogs have to start from scratch? Like they go and get a dog and start from there.
That doesn't mean they become back yard breeders.
A very great example is my dog's private trainer's boss. His boss got this dog, it's called a Malinois. He bred it with another pedigree dog and trains them all from infancy through 3 months and goes even further. After adoption he continues to train them. His profession is dog trainer and dog breeder, and police k9 dog breeder and trainer.
My point is that he started with this 1 dog. His main dog who helped him start his business. He is famous now all over California and the UK and other countries. He sells each dog for 5 grand and up.
you're referring to foundation dogs. and the fact you don't know that demonstrates you have a long way to go.
Point is that he started from scratch. I am not dog trainer, nor will I ever be. But I have always wanted to breed a dog and get into doing that, even as a kid. It was always my wish to be able to show a dog in the ring, win titles and breed it with another winner.
So here I am with my beautiful dog that I wish to breed in a few years, and show her in the show rings!
a breeding program based on appearance is doomed for failure. again, showing your ignorance. she's too young to have proven anything. no health testing mentioned. temperment testing. no certificates to speak of. how do you know she will even throw consistently? maybe she's a "pocket" only because she was the runt. her papers are suspect so you basically have no idea what kind of genetics you are dealing with.
Your driving yourself crazy thinking and throwing accusations that I am not in it for the right reasons blah blah blah. i agree with her
Your an adult, so you should also speak only for yourself and not for other people. I am sure other people don't appreciate that of you, to throw them under the buss and speak for them, on how they feel about anything!
At the end of the day, it is someone's personal decision to breed their dog, not yours!
the decision to breed an animal goes beyond personal considerations. it's not like deciding to dye your hair or choosing a political party. the impact reaches an entire community of people and animals.
disregarding the gravity of that, tells us a little about hyour level of responsibility.

So you can go ahead and disagree all you want but your disagreement and anger towards me will not chase me or scare me away from this website!
I never made you crazy, you make the decision yourself and put that on yourself!
My dog is not kidnapped or stolen! She was purchased from a breeder directly an then I purchased her from her first owner who could no longer give her or provide her with a good solid home. Just because i purchased her for "cheap" as you claim, it doesn't mean an animal is stolen from someone.
Some people want to look for a suitable home for their pets and don't charge the outrageous 2 grand for the dog.
that breeder is suspect. their actions match a pattern that we have seen all too often. if you don't see it, it's because you lack experience with breeders.
So by all means your welcome to keep driving yourself mad.
I will still continue to write posts on my dog.

I have done a ton of research and watched many documentaries on breeding for the last 5 years of my life. so it's not like I am jumping into this blindly and suddenly! My girl is 7 months old. too young to even breed right now! But not too young to show in the show rings!
so you're one of those youtube experts. well i've seen a few documentaries on WWII. that doesn't make me a military strategist.
have you ever worked on a yard? have you ever apprenticed under a reputable breeder? veterinary practice? have you ever got your hands dirty on an actual breeding from start to finish? documentaries??? REALLY??? c'mon now.

It took me a good solid year to find a good solid dog that was worth breeding.
Yes I am going to buy her papers this upcoming weekend. I am pretty excited. As you can tell. I can't wait to be able to take her and show her off! All my life..well since I was 8 years old, I have been rescuing animals, finding them homes, even giving homes to some rescues, myself. I finally got a dog that I wanted to have, that I wanted to show and breed! And your angry about it? that doesn't even make any sense!
Why don't you just go to the dog ABKC, AKC, and UKC dog shows and yell at everyone who has a pedigree dog because they all breed them! Your gonna be angry about people who breed as a profession? Guess what? They all started with one dog! Then they gain experience and more knowledge over time ! So for you to even tell me "you have no experience in breeding!" No sh* sherlock! everybody starts somewhere! Why don't you tell me something I don't know about myself since you obviously know everything about me!
you are absolutely right. many breeders figured it out as they went along. and the whole time they were experimenting,
they contributed to health issues in the breed, overpopulation, stray suffering animals, risk and injury to owners, etc. if this is the shameless example you want to follow, that says alot about your ethics. you're basically saying there are alot of shitty people who do alot of shitty things and you want to be just like them. and the fact you spent time rescuing animals does not absolve you of any responsibility.

Oh and I was never rude to you in any of my prior messages!
Not once was I rude to you!
Just because I said "it's important to me, so it shouldn't matter to you why it's important to me." That was me telling you in a nice, non rude way that it's actually none of your business to know why it's important to me!
But you took it out of context and decided I was rude to you when in fact I was being polite and telling you in a nice none rude way!


PS: about my friend, she will be fine. she has access to look him up, but she doesn't just go on it with out asking her boss to use it. She will do it and find out for me. I even asked my family attorney to do it but she said she doesn't have access to that data base because she doesn't work in that profession to have to need that data base for anything. So my friend will look it up. If she doesn't have luck, I have other friends and family who work in law who may be able to help me find his contact information. So it isn't the end of the world for me. I was merely expressing my own frustration on not being able to find his contact information on my own terms. I tried but no luck. No reason for you to have piss poor attitude towards me because I expressed my frustration out to you. I am sure working your job , you felt the feeling of frustration many times. It's normal for someone to confide their feelings to someone which I was doing to you and now your angry at me for nothing. Thanks for the help and support. I really appreciate it.
you sound like a child. over exaggerating. emotional. sarcastic. patronizing. unobjective. hypersensitive. if this is your response to a few comments in an online thread, you may have a complete meltdown if you start breeding. the breeding community is famous for hate and spiteful actions.
but like my father always said...
"the hard headed gotta feel it to believe it".
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