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Old 05-08-2018, 02:20 AM   #31 (permalink)
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I think I just got called old!

Anyway everyone here, me included, is here to help and answer questions of those who want to learn. You don’t want to learn you want to be told you’re right and validated or you wouldn’t keep arguing with all the people telling you and trying to teach you something.

I wasn’t insulting you, or at least not intending to, but your arguments against what we’re telling you are ridiculous. If you truly want to learn, listen to what those trying to tell you and teach you say, especially when it’s multiple people telling you the same thing.

If you want to buy a dog have at it. No ones saying you can’t or shouldn’t. We just simply said your money would be better spent on a better dog and that these dogs are not all that you seem to think they are; you could get the same quality, papers or not, from a shelter or rescue.

If you want to take the easier route and just pay than go for it. But remember, taking the path of least resistance when it comes to all things dog related from purchasing to training to feeding won’t lead you (or especially the dog) anywhere good.


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There is absolutely nothing wrong with buying a dog. What we are saying is, don't buy one of those dogs. Buy a better dog. Go to some local ABKC shows and meet people there. Put your hands on some dogs. Ask how they're bred. Ask what kennel they come out of.
You will find a better quality dog that meets the standard of the breed and is papered.
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Old 05-09-2018, 01:36 AM   #33 (permalink)
 

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I think I just got called old!

Anyway everyone here, me included, is here to help and answer questions of those who want to learn. You don’t want to learn you want to be told you’re right and validated or you wouldn’t keep arguing with all the people telling you and trying to teach you something.

I wasn’t insulting you, or at least not intending to, but your arguments against what we’re telling you are ridiculous. If you truly want to learn, listen to what those trying to tell you and teach you say, especially when it’s multiple people telling you the same thing.

If you want to buy a dog have at it. No ones saying you can’t or shouldn’t. We just simply said your money would be better spent on a better dog and that these dogs are not all that you seem to think they are; you could get the same quality, papers or not, from a shelter or rescue.

If you want to take the easier route and just pay than go for it. But remember, taking the path of least resistance when it comes to all things dog related from purchasing to training to feeding won’t lead you (or especially the dog) anywhere good.


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There is absolutely nothing wrong with buying a dog. What we are saying is, don't buy one of those dogs. Buy a better dog. Go to some local ABKC shows and meet people there. Put your hands on some dogs. Ask how they're bred. Ask what kennel they come out of.
You will find a better quality dog that meets the standard of the breed and is papered.
I'm sorry for the misunderstanding. I did hear you alls advice and I'm going to not get it. What all is wrong with dogs like these though? Will they go crazy, turn, eat everything, have really bad health problems? What could bad breeds turn out to be just for future notice. Thank you.
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Old 05-09-2018, 02:29 AM   #34 (permalink)
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I apologize if I came across as harsh, I was frustrated because it seemed you didn’t want to hear what we were saying and argue agains us and there were some outside influences that put me in a crappy mood.

There could be absolutely nothing wrong with these dogs or they could have health or temperament problems. There’s really absolutely no way to know. I think the point that we were trying to make is that they are way overpriced and not worth $700. If you are willing to spend that kind of money on a dog, you can purchase a better bred dog with a much stronger likelihood of stable temperament and health. If you’re not worried about the breeding of the dog, you can find a similar dog for much cheaper.

There’s also a very high likelihood based on what you’ve said, that the breeder of these dogs is not being honest with you and that is a red flag that could absolutely affect the dogs in any number of ways. Two of my three came from a BYB before they dumped them in a shelter. They made all kinds of claims about these dogs. Knowing what I know, I knew what I was getting (and what I wasn’t) when I rescued the pups. There is no doubt about it that they are mutts but there is absolutely some APBT blood in them. In less than two years (they will be two in June) they’ve cost me probably over 10k in medical issues. They’ve both got congenital kidney issues and my female has ADL in her front. The people who “bred” these dogs offered me “papers” which I declined as I knew they were fake. Their issues are entirely due to poor breeding practices and there was absolutely no way to know when I got them that these problems would arise.

Papers are nice and all but there is absolutely zero guarantee with papers either. They are very easy to fake and unless you know how to read them they are completely useless to you. Just because a dog has papers doesn’t mean it will be healthy or stable nor does it mean those papers are legit. Even same of the most famous breeders of legendary dogs faked pedigrees and papers.






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Old 05-13-2018, 09:56 PM   #35 (permalink)
 
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Some of those lines were around before the bully movement started, like watchdog and TNT. I have more to say... will post again tonight.
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Old 05-14-2018, 10:30 AM   #36 (permalink)
 
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Some of those lines were around before the bully movement started, like watchdog and TNT. I have more to say... will post again tonight.
In my opinion, when certain bloodlines started to take different paths causing a different style in this breed, A concrete standard went out the window. This breed, the American Bully, the Chihuahua (I am sure there are other breeds too) have a few different standards depending on the registries. American Staffordshire Terrier bloodlines can be seen in some of our APBTs if you go back far enough, even if there is just one. Does this make them an Am staff or Am Bully? No (your gamebred dogmen will disagree with this ). Now, to me, anything with RE or Gotti is an American Bully because the line was created bringing other breeds into it, even though most will be registered as APBT because it took almost 20 years for it to be recognized as it own breed.

So, to answer your question... Put aside the bloodlines and look at the parents and ancestors. Is that what you like? Is there a dog in the ped you don't like? Have the parents been health tested? Does the breeder compete or show his dogs? For me, there are a lot of factors that go into buying a dog. I will NEVER pay more then 1500. for a pup that came from 2 pet parents. I have paid 1500, because of the bloodlines that can be traced back.

It is always good to hear peoples opinions and you learn a lot from them, but at the end of the day, you have to do what works for you.. what do you want?



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Old 05-14-2018, 02:24 PM   #37 (permalink)
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Some of those lines were around before the bully movement started, like watchdog and TNT. I have more to say... will post again tonight.
American Staffordshire Terrier bloodlines can be seen in some of our APBTs if you go back far enough, even if there is just one. Does this make them an Am staff or Am Bully? No (your gamebred dogmen will disagree with this.


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Crossing and breed (yes even Once) makes mutts not apbt.. Funny the people who dedicate their life to the preservation of the dogs will say they're mutts am staffs and bullys but the people so buy breed and peddle that trash think it's perfectly ok and those people(real dogmen) are wrong. Good things facts don't deal with emotions. They're mutts. And anyone who bred(s) them should've been laughed out of business not able to pimp those horrible bred mutts into popularity.

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After reading "tropical winds" mission statement it reads like a bully breeders opening page. Swogger and dagger lines? Kim didn't run down dagger and tell you they were mutts when you paid way too much for her dog? I'm surprised. She ran down anything but those Castillo things.

Anyway the site and lines verified my beliefs.
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I would not get but then again I raise pits not bullies
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