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Old 02-13-2010, 05:09 PM   #31 (permalink)
 

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Your comments to me are of no value or concern. I have 5 generations here and will have more as time passes without any hereditary problems and Ive been breeding tight for many,many years. I will not spend the money on something at this point of my breeding program to waste money, YES, WASTE MONEY, just to apease a few wannabe know-it-alls who climb onto the bandwagon everytime a "new" disease is spread across the Internet that we all must test for. Now, these new fangled dog lines where who-knows-what is involved in their creation and let me also include the AmStaffs since they do seem to have the most problems, these are the people who really need to look into their own backyards and test their stock instead of breeding tainted B.S. because their stud is the flavor of the year. As for the UKC standard, well, I have had my share of productions who have done quite well, both conformationally wise, as well as weight pulling. My dogs really aren't as big as you may think. Pictures don't do them justice at all. Yes, my orginal dogs were the larger/taller castillo based dogs, but they were still not bad. Castillo was a champion bloodline when people were actually showing them as was Lar-San. What name you see in the front of my dogs pedigrees is my name. In the back of my name, the old blood. Nothing mixed in whatsoever, just bred my way. My combination. Whether you like 19" 70-75lb UKC dogs or not, is non of my concern. I've been here for over a decade with dogs all over. I have produced champions. Am I as well known as the breeders out on the west coast, of course not. I don't whore out my dogs, nor do I play the political game. lol.. I don't need to and I don't want to. It's pretty obvious, whether you like it or not, that I'm doing just fine. I have out-lived many well-known kennels and I'm doing quite well, thank you. Couldn't do that with half as*ed dogs, now could I?

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Old 02-13-2010, 05:17 PM   #32 (permalink)
 

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pattrick from real deal chocolates is good people.. I've talked to them a couple times...they have a good amount of the same days in the pedigree that I have.

Castillo American Pit Bull Terriers thats a castillo forum


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I do not breed stirctly for color, but I do love the color, and I happen to own red nose dogs that produce red/ chocolate coats, therefore they will mainly produce red/chocolate it....... hence the name "Real Deal Chocolates"

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big or not...I would like to think that especially if they are being tightly bred that you would health test. Really wish I saw more health testing and titles even if it's working dog titles (or should I say especially working dog titles) I like Lar-san's and Castillo and Boogieman, but these dogs are much heavier set and bigger all around then their predecessors...Maybe they look different in person? Just my personal opinion.
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Boy, you moderators are really on your toes, huh? lol. Are people allowed to type the name of a kennel without a link attached? What links are allowed?

In other words, can I put the name of my kennel in my signature, not necessarily the link? Don't want to have ya do too much work following me around. j/k!
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I hear a lot of talk about what these lines originated as. What I do not see are the current breeders doing... well, anything. People will choose to spend their money where they will, and a fool and his fundage are soon parted. To me it is worthwhile to hold out and only give my money to a breeder who is willing to spend their own money on breeding the best dog that they can. (ie, one that gets off their duff and proves their dog in show/sport, and yes, health testing.) Without some proof of breeding quality, there is nothing which separates a breeding dog from his pet-quality cousins.

Kim, I used to rumble with you back on some older boards which may not even exist anymore. I know you're very set in your ways and are convinced of the rightness of what you're doing and the relative lack of value of others' opinions. That's how you roll, and its your right. Just as its my right to call a duck a duck.

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You can health test every generation and come up clean and still produce something less than par. A breeder can still have an HD dog pop up or anything else. Such is life as we know. Breeding tightly for many years and an occasional inbreeding and not having major health issues is a pretty good sign of great lines and conscientious breeding decisions.

True that on the lines you have mentioned. Bigger and heavier. There was a discussion about this on our board not too long ago. It's in the food. lol...
I won't go into my own personal breeding details from the last decade, but, from the oldschool blood that I have, I have selectively (purposely) kept and bred the larger boned of my productions. To me, Lar-San is perfect and a total asset to any yard, but too slight on the bone for my liking.
Some people like the UKC Champion Castillo lines and some like the UKC Champion Lar-San lines. Both lines are very different in looks, but both are champion lines. It's all in what ya like and I started with both.

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big or not...I would like to think that especially if they are being tightly bred that you would health test. Really wish I saw more health testing and titles even if it's working dog titles (or should I say especially working dog titles) I like Lar-san's and Castillo and Boogieman, but these dogs are much heavier set and bigger all around then their predecessors...Maybe they look different in person? Just my personal opinion.
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Lar-San is an excellent line. I love them. Lar-San also throws day blindness, hip dysplasia, and the odd thyroid problem. But a breeder wouldn't know that if they don't health-test. (ETA: There is no health test for day blindness; you have to observe the puppies in certain situations to see it. But the other two can very much be pinpointed via health testing.)
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quack quack. LOLOL............ I'm still here!
My relative lack of value of others' opinion is not true! I value everyone's opinion. Why would you say such a thing? You do know I could say the same about you, but, hey, you have the right to your opinion, as do I. The thing is, I - don't - play - your - games. I make my own decisions based on what I want within the standard, not what some doofus wannabe thinks should be and I have been very successful doing so. (doofus wannabe is a generalized term, btw. Nothing personal).

So Lindsay, how you been all these years? Long time, huh?
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Lar-San is an excellent line. I love them. Lar-San also throws day blindness, hip dysplasia, and the odd thyroid problem. But a breeder wouldn't know that if they don't health-test. (ETA: There is no health test for day blindness; you have to observe the puppies in certain situations to see it. But the other two can very much be pinpointed via health testing.)
Maybe you should talk to Ro-Ki on that one. She is one of the heavier breeders of the line. I have never experienced any of it and I've had Lar-San in my lines for over 10 years. I believe that it comes from a couple select dogs, but of course, you know that.

What lines do you breed again? I'm sure we can all find something to spout off about in any line. Would you like me to dissect your line for you?

Well sweetie, my free time is over. Back to dog work. Nice reminicing with ya after all these years. It was fun!
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Its been eons, chickee! And you're absolutely right on the opinions thing. We all have a right to them. There are people that don't like my dogs, and I wholeheartedly embrace the awesome freedom of speech rights that allow them to feel that way. At the same time, I can wholeheartedly tell them to shove it up their keister, right? All I can do is make sure that when the time comes and I breed a dog, people don't have plethora of failings to choose from when they want to tear me apart. I want my position to be defensible beyond "this is what I want." Its not a game for me.

Anyway... You breed your own style, and as you said, its what you want. As far as "within the standard," well, that's subjective! You don't show your dogs, so its really only your own opinion there. My opinion is that at least some of your dogs are too bulky to be considered UKC or ADBA standard. (And if you look at the dogs showing in both registries, a standard APBT should be able to fit both standards.) There are lots of people who are breeding lower, heavier, thicker, etc., because its what they want to see. Its their own "style," and they run with it. But it doesn't necessarily mean they're improving the breed at large. When you get over-specialized and too into your own particular look (general you), you lose sight of the big picture.

All I have always said, for many years, until I'm blue in the face and feel like I'm sitting by myself in the corner, is that breeders need to be doing everything they can to improve the breed. And yes, I totally believe we should use all the tools we have available now, as Amanda said. We're not pitting out dogs anymore, but they're also not supposed to be just pets. Do you agree with me there? If not, that's fine. But if so, doesn't it make sense for breeders to actually show and work their dogs? And on the health-testing thing, stuff stays hidden. I know this, and I'm sure you know it as well. These dogs don't care if they hurt; they go anyway. On another board a poster just revealed that her gamebred ADBA CH failed his CERF. She never knew there was a problem.

As far as those doofus wannabes go, we all wannabe different things.
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If someone started asking about Ro-Ki dogs on here, I'd speak about what I perceive as their strengths and failings as well. Believe me, we all have dirt under our nails. Some just have more of it. LOL!

As for the lines that I'm involved with, no need to dissect. The only intact dog I have is Lar-San/Jeep/Redboy. I already know about the issues in Lar-San and have spoken about them at length... hmm, recently, it seems! Not sure what faults lie in the Jeep/Redboy dogs, but rest assured that no dog will be bred here before it has passed its health-tests. I probably make less money than most people here, but if I'm going to breed dogs, the change I spend proving the breeding quality of what I have is money well spent. I don't see where anybody can ask $$$ for breeding their pets, so I practice what I preach.

As for day blindness only coming from some dogs, I don't dispute that. Evidently Lar-San Krimson Chas Krug was a carrier, which would make all his offspring suspect. He's probably in the pedigree of at least some of your dogs as well as mine.
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Fond farewell from me as well right now. Dogs are crabbing to be worked, and farbeit for me to keep them waiting. Toodles, I'll mouth off a little more later on.
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Old 02-13-2010, 07:59 PM   #44 (permalink)
 

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I love Tito and Gaia!!! It is still some time away but i am really excited. I have been looking for a training weight pull harness already. lol. Im also thinking of building a weight pulling rail and cart for my backyard. I dont care if not everyone approves. The puppy is gonna be for me not everyone. lol. Gaia is ripped as well as Tito. Personally i dont like the skinny APBT. My dog Kimo was a huge 85 lbs. RIP KIMO I miss u.
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Define "the skinny APBT." The standard reads 30-60 pounds as well as "proportionate."

I think I will never understand people. We say we love our breed, then we seek out dogs that are out of the standard. We act as though there are different types because we can't really admit that what we like doesn't adhere to the breed ideal. Heck, I love GSDs, but I wish they had a little less hair. Operating within a set of morals/ethics, I could not encourage the breeding of smooth-haired GSDs because I personally don't like fur.

But whatevah. Carry on.
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