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Are Bullys Pitbulls or not? ABKC show advertised as a pitbull show in CDA, ID

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#1 · (Edited)
I couldn't help myself; after seeing all the diferent views and opinions on bully style dogs and following all of the threads closely, Many people believe the bully is not a pit bull, on the other hand EVERY stocky pit bull is SUDDENLY a BULLY.. Well here in CDA, ID on the front page is an article "Bullish on pitbulls" promoting a pedigreed show for pitbulls then on page two its all about the ABKC and Bully, only ABKC dogs are allowed as is sanctioned, ABKC sanctioned judges will be there, well if thats so whats all the pitbull talk? Article also notes Pam Carter of Gaff kennels in worely, ID for having the best females in the nation(self promotion?); I have a good mind to take my pretty lil' game dog up there show em' what a real PITBULL is.... Then again, maybe I will send my buddy with Diesel, hahaha:roll: heres the link with show information, Home

heres the article:http://www.cdapress.com/news/local_news/article_cc8bc4b7-feb1-53b5-a062-0813fc72bf9b.html

See this is what the problem is; If the dog is a bully and not a pitbull then it so be said as such, esspecially when they cause problems. If the bully is a pitbull, hence dual registries, RE and GOTTI both were registered as APBTs, Whopper dogs are registered APBTs, So whats that say for the dog men/women keeping the game dogs alive? What are they? IF bullys are pitbulls, what are game dogs? Just Game Dogs?
True working huskies have pedigrees but ARE NOT REGISTERED. Seems like the ADBA, Bonafide, etc.. are becoming something similar, function dogs with no place other than where they belong.
 
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#2 · (Edited)
Bullys are not pitbulls, A pitbull is a APBT a freaking bulldog a working dog,

I clicked the link and viewed that page its so stupid xl bully pit wtf also read that web link about that retard dude and his so called "pitbull"

Stuff like this gets me heated quicker than anything, anyone I come across that mentions the word pitbull then shows me a dog thats similar to the one in that picture I stop talkin to them and walk away

I guess if bullys are considered pitbulls then Apbts are just .................... something else.

Firehazard your post is the reason I don't use the word "pitbull" but I reckon there is no reason for discussing such issues cause nothing will ever change the world is to far gone
 
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#4 ·
It really annoys me when people breed this HULK dogs and claim they're APBT's. And if you look at the link to that kennel they claim they breed them within standard. In my opinion an APBT should be bred for gaminess. It's a working dog that should be able to run and be extremely agile. Those dogs look so muscle bound that they wouldn't be able to run for any longer than 5 minutes before collapsing from exhaustion. A pitbull should be well muscle and lean, capable of running flat out and turning on a dime. These dogs just look cumbersome. That's my opinion the bully matter in general.
 
#5 ·
Its a dead horse now. lol Bullys are not apbt. See Pam Carter use to have nice dogs, then something went wrong, ever since I saw a Mastiff on her yard her dogs got bigger things that make you go hmmmmmm It will never end papers equal more money so why not register them as pit bulls, breed yoru female to a male mastiff, but say your pit bull is the dad and you have papers and a monster pit bull.
 
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Hahaha, well ya'll at least Im not alone.... Thats funny Mcleoud I use "bulldog or gamedog" most people are lost then I say pitbull they are like oH, yeh... :hammer: the papers are rung, the blood is scattered and the horse is a bloody pulp, this is a major issue, forget that! its a complete subscription, :D :roll: It crawls on me, so I had to see what others thought.

On a similar note, I know a kennel in Oklahoma producing Am Bulldogs and APBTs(90lb+ dogs) LOL; Just google search Mccabe APBT PEDIGREE, ROFALMAO... BANDOGGES all of them {chuckles}
 
#9 ·
WOW I can't believe no one commented on the article!

COEUR d'ALENE - It probably doesn't hurt to have a good attitude walking into Steve and Sarah Parker's house.
Then again, it might not matter that much to the three pit bulls that greet visitors to their Coeur d'Alene home. There are no threatening growls or bared teeth, only wagging tails and the occasional whimper of a pup looking for a little attention.
"They love people, and other dogs," Steve said.

Rico and Tiva are both 2 1/2 years old, and Tiva is due to give birth to a litter on June 12. Kimbo, five months old, still sniffs at his mother's belly now and then, but is long-since weaned, and more interested in playing than nursing.

"cough cough" backyard breeders...

For the Parkers, the dogs are part of the family, and they are part of a commun
ity of owners of the sometimes controversial breed. On June 26, they will hold The Summer Showdown, an American Bully Kennel Club-sanctioned show at the Kootenai County Fairgrounds.

Steve got his first pitbull several years ago, and realized he had an affinity for the breed.
"I like how they look, muscular, pretty," he said. Soon he bought Rico and Tiva and began breeding them under the name Ultimate Bully Pitbull.

Their color, called blue, is rare among pitbulls, which come in brindle, fawn, black and red.


he said." Everybody that calls wants blue."

The Parkers recognize that pitbulls, raised wrong, have gained a negative reputation after numerous incidents when the dogs harmed humans or other animals. Breeding and proper attention are vital, they said, and they and other responsible breeders of pitbulls look for good core temperament and will not raise animals who show signs of issues.
"People thing, 'Oh my god, a pitbull,'" Sarah said. "They are not horrible monsters. They are great family pets."
Their daughter Emma, only 4, takes command of Tiva on a family walk with the two parents and their offspring, and gleefully greets another member of the family, Luka, Kimbo's brother, when he stops by for a visit.
"They are attached at the hip," said Joe Ornellas, who owns Kimbo and will be a judge for the fun show at the fairgrounds.

Only American Bully Kennel Club registered pitbulls will be accepted for the main show, but a "fun show" between the two main shows will include boxers, bull mastiffs, and bulldogs, all part of the "bully" category of dogs.

When did boxers become "bulldogs"

The first of its kind in Idaho, the regional show with points being earned for further levels of competition will include kennels from California, Oregon, Montana, Utah, Seattle and Boise.
Judges will include ABKC representatives, along with Pam Carter of Gaff Kennels in Worley, owner of one of the top female pitbulls in the country.
Vendors and adoption and other information booths will be part of the show, and portions of the proceeds from admission will go to the Kootenai Humane Society. Raffles will also be held during the day.
Part of the goal is to increase awareness of the breed.
The Parkers' own children spend time with the pups from the time they are born, and the dogs need a significant amount of interaction with humans.
"They always want to be around you," Steve said. "They need good training. They are a big, strong dog. They love doing active things."
Pitbulls are a loyal breed, Ornellas said, that become "attached at the hip" to their owners.
"They are like people," he said. "If they are mistreated they won't be nice."
But, Steve said, they are easy to care for with their short hair.
Care and attention are vital to the raising of pitbulls, the Parkers say.
"They can't be in a kennel all day," Sarah said. "They get lonely."
While the main show will be limited to ABKC registered dogs, owners of pedigreed pitbulls registered through other organizations can get a temporary certificate for $20.
Admission to the show is $10, with $2 going to the Humane Society.

So great.. this has set us all back about oh a good 10 years...
 
#13 ·
WOW, :hammer: I thought it riled me up.. =)) I agree 100%

"Theres a huge cloud of :poop:." "Watchout everybody there's a :poop:storm coming."(Kingpin) LOL
 
#15 ·
There was positive in the article, maybe they should have written the typical baby killer article and we would all be good with it. I agree the terminology and misrepresentation of a breed is frustrating.

I honestly believe that although the AmBully is not a APBT, I did not see anything that negatively affects the breed, in fact to a reader it's very positive. The typical GPB reader has above average knowledge of the breed, however your typical newspaper reader in Idaho does not, and if they go to the show they maybe astonished at how friendly the dogs are. At the show there will be tons of AmBully verbage and hopefully someone will explain the difference at the show.

Either way I disagree it sets us back, in fact it's relatively positive press for a often maligned breed, but let's not focus on that and get our APBT picket signs and protest the misrepresentation of our beloved breed.

Sometimes we as a community should focus on the big picture, if we don't know what the big picture is, perhaps we should adjust our focus.
 
#16 ·
Well said BTK. It seems like mostly everyone took the positive out of that article just to bash the Bully! It seems like people have forgotten what the true goal was and that was informing the public. It makes me wonder that if someone truly knows the difference and doesn't provide proper information to those who are mis-informed then who is truly STOOPID? Food for thought.
 
#17 ·
LOl the problem was with the age of the dogs when they were being bred, and stating that there was a rare color blue. I dont think people were bashing bullies. They were bashing a BYB.

Yes BTK well said it is nice to see an educated bully owner who doesnt walk around with his hackles up waiting for a fight if someone says the slightest thing about a bully.
 
#21 ·
The negative is that if someone's idea of a pitbull is what is portrayed here, and decide they want one, but they want a red one, for whatever reason they end up with a dog down from Yellow, or Mayday, or Tonka etc... LOL what about the 27lbers those little guys are ten times the intensity.

I was all excited about positive pitbull promotion, but as I read it wasn't postive pit bull promotion rather bully promotion as pit bulls so mis representing the breed. JMO Pit Bull is a function term, and only one dog holds to be the Pit Bull from then until now, the APBT, should be promoted in no other way other than game bred dog of function.
 
#22 ·
Unfortunately to the general public, Pitbull the generic term for a lot of sizes, shapes, and energy levels of bulldogs, will always be what the media portrays it to be. So whether you feel that the dogs at the ABKC event are physically representing the breed in the fashion you feel would best portray the dogs is irrelavent, the fact is they will be representing the generic term Pitbull in a positive light.

Here's the positive, a family, not drug dealer, gangster rap listening thugs own dogs that they love. Dogs that did not attack the reporter as media reports often insinute the breed would. The fact that a small child not only lives there but is handling and interacting with the dogs. The fact that a portion of profits will benefit the local
humane society and so on and so on.

Due to the fact the breed is facing such horrible scrutiny from the majority of media outlets, it is a refreshing read to be able to read positive press.

As I said in my earlier posts, I fully understand the frustration, however the true rare aspect of the breed is the 29 pound firecracker, do I think the general public will just have a true to form Bulldog fall into their yard, nope. Once again if you attend the show, you will find few that claim the dogs as APBTs, hopefully in Idaho the patrons will be informed of what they are looking at.

For those who read my last post and understood where I was coming from thank you. I truly respect this breed for all that it was and all it can be, I seperate the breeds as what they are, but acknowledge the fact that in the grand scheme of things the battle is the same. Positive press is good for both sides, just as negative press for either, is bad for both.
 
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Unfortunately to the general public, Pitbull the generic term for a lot of sizes, shapes, and energy levels of bulldogs, will always be what the media portrays it to be. So whether you feel that the dogs at the ABKC event are physically representing the breed in the fashion you feel would best portray the dogs is irrelavent, the fact is they will be representing the generic term Pitbull in a positive light.

Here's the positive, a family, not drug dealer, gangster rap listening thugs own dogs that they love. Dogs that did not attack the reporter as media reports often insinute the breed would. The fact that a small child not only lives there but is handling and interacting with the dogs. The fact that a portion of profits will benefit the local
humane society and so on and so on.

Due to the fact the breed is facing such horrible scrutiny from the majority of media outlets, it is a refreshing read to be able to read positive press.

I wasn't knocking your opinion, but rather calling PEOPLE STUPID... Everyone says don't believe what you see and hear on T.V; Yet, PEOPLE believe everything they see and hear on T.V.~ :hammer:

AFTER spending 10yrs studying the genetics of the APBT alone and 10yrs wolf genetics before that, I have noticed by studying paperwork, dogs, and doing the work myself; all of the "bully breeds" that spawned from the APBT game dog can also disapear back into the genotype from which it came, but yet it takes multiple decades and more to breed the APBT out... THUS ALL THE "PIT BULLs" Pit Bull is a function term, just because it has become a slang term from ignorance does not make the majority opinion right ;) The original fighting bulldog went into the pit forever dubbed "pit bull."

NO its not good press, when all the PP I see are XL Bullys and Whopper dogs, not to mention LAZY dogs compared to a working classic bully let alone a gamebred APBT, whats really funny is that there are whopper bully dogs,(I am sending a friend w/a whopper dog cross because every bully owner up here thinks he's bully ROFALMAO) no bully or whopper would cut it at an ADBA show. I live in a small community and most people know I have two things LOL 6 kids and a yard full of dogs of prey, LOL APBTs bred to catch and kill... YOUR RIGHT THOUGH: thats why I retired from selling dogs, I wont breed anything but the real deal, and its to hard to find accountable homes that will accept the full responciblity or WANT TO..
hahaha ya know? What about the fact that many BULLY I owners will swear up and down the dog is not a Pit Bull on one day and advertise him as one the next?
For me the best press is reminding people that rascal and petey were the dogs filmed in lil rascals tv sitcom and that those bandages were from real pit fights as the dogs were pit CH's.. Then showing them my dogs, what they can do, and how they are...
I love the 29lb sticks of dynamite and all of their sweating nitro as well ;)

GOOD post none the less,:clap:, as to in a nutshell its just a bloodline of pet quality pit bull...
 
#26 ·
Hey guys, I'm a newbie here and as well as owning a pit. After reading this thread, I must have a bully then. I'm not familiar with bloodlines at all, so this is really helpful. I bought my puppy from a friend of mines who have a male gotti and a female razor edge, which produced my tiny tot. Is it any where I can learn more about "Bullies"? I've been researching the wrong breed for a while now. Feel a little dumbfounded actually, but hey everyone is ignorant in some field or another.

Thank for the info again guys!
 
#28 ·
The problem starts when people think of the pit bull as a breed of dog rather than a type of dog. The standards are so loose, you could fit just about anything in there sideways. "If I got papers, it must be true." :flush:
 
#30 ·
Ya'll are confusing me again. LOL..I don't like the pics on the link if that's a bully. But someone else mentions "working bully". And then there is ambully. I'm kinda wondering just what each of my dogs would be catagorized as now.
As for the prey and game drive, I still don't understand why you want to keep that so strong unless you are truely hunting with these dogs. If they were bred to fight why would you desire to keep that in them? It is after all one of the things that is hurting them. People know that is in them and that fear does not want them to be anywhere near their dogs. You keep saying "working" dogs...working doing what? I can't imagine anything other than hunting. And then a hunter usually only wants a dog to tree, or hold something (boar) until he gets there, or he wants a retriever or pointer to locate or to bring back which means a soft mouth. Please explain to me just what kind of hunting or work you keep referring to with these dogs.
 
#33 · (Edited)
Because everyone wanted a dog from the little rascals, media craze.. Not to mention the APBT was the mascot for WWII .. neutral but not scared of any of them.. In 1945 that dog was ... sorry those dogs rascal and petey both CH and siblings used in the tv sitcom, the badages on those dogs were REAL from CONTESTESTED MATCHES and they WERE STILL the SAFEST dogs around children, as they are to THE DAY.. IT IS THE SLANG term refference of PIT BULL that has put the REAL pit bull on the chopping block, screw all those worthless dogs posing as APBTS its a big difference in looking like the dog and being the dog, if you dont want a game dog, then DONT get a APBT all those other things need their own NAME or the game dogs need to seperate from the APBT glooming cloud.
"Everyone wants a little package of dynamite; no one wants to deal with the sweating nitro."(SL) Dont alter the game dog to make it pasified, just get an AM staff or a Staff or a Bull Terrier, LEAVE OUR GAME DOGS ALONE
 
#31 ·
I have said this so many times, perhaps not here in this forum but I have said it, regardless of who thinks what about whether or not someones dog is a American Pit Bull Terrier or a Bully whatever, guess what, in the end if Breed Specific Legislation is passed where you live, they will come for both dogs, they will not question if the dog is apbt or bully.
 
#32 ·
THis right here is why I have said many times on this forum; that the GAMEBRED american pit bull terrier needs to adopt a new name to save itself and its herritage, Original Game Bred Bulldog, for instance.. Have to keep the game dog alive despite what comon people think and media promotes its the game dogs with the balanced mentality everyone adores in the APBT. ITs the badly bred dogs for looks or whatever that have combined with ignorant owners make it a do or die situation for the American Game dog
 
#35 ·
I think he's saying that if you don't want a dog that will completely work it's butt off then don't get an apbt,but get am amstaff.That these "game" dogs will redirect their drive onto prey while hunting or the likes.That if you like the looks and dedication of these dogs but don't want all the gameness that goes along with a pure and true apbt,then get an amstaff.
It doesn't necessarily have to be hunting.But I think it needs to be some sort of work for the dog to focus and redirect his attention and love on.
But I could be wrong in what he's trying to say.Maybe I should let him simplify it for you.I don't usually tend to disagree at all with what Firehazard says.
Darn it now I'm confusing myself :rofl:
 
#38 ·
Dixieland! North Cal tim.. My mind is like a hamster wheel of information, LOL you should see me in algebra, hahaha. THANK YOU BOTH.. .Thats what Im saying in a nutshell and outlined out in crayone ;)
 
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