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HUSKIES ARE WORKING WOLFDOGS!! YOUR INFO NEEDS TO COME FROM SOMEWHERE BESIDES ANIMAL PLANET..
THE REAL HUSKY is the ALASKAN SLED DOG, a working wolf dog with HARD workers from all over added, much like the malinois or OLD SCHOOL GAMEDOG men most serious Alaskan Dog men keep private peds and breed dogs according to their MENTAL and PHYSICAL attributes, GENETIC attributes in other words.
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Sled dogs were a main means of transportation in arctic regions long before airplanes and snow machines were invented. They may be used more for recreation than necessity these days, but if you visit bush Alaska, you will find working sled dogs still hard at work, doing the job they were bred for so many years ago.

Alaskan Huskies and Siberian Huskies are not (usually) the same breed of dog. Alaskan Huskies, better known in Alaska as Alaskan Sled Dogs or simply “sled dogs”, are bred to a far different standard then the AKC Siberian Husky they sometimes resemble. In fact, some Siberian Huskies are Alaskan sled dogs. Confused?

Breeding top quality Alaskan Huskies is part science and genetics and a lot of mushing experience. These dogs are bred to a “working standard” rather than a strict conformation standard. Sled dogs can vary from kennel to kennel and even within the same kennel, depending on what traits a musher is attempting to develop or duplicate.

In fact, there are three main sub-categories within the Alaskan Husky dog breed; light-weight sprinters, distance runners and freight dogs. The most commonly seen and recognized are the “distance Alaskans”. These are the dogs you see in the Iditarod, the Yukon Quest and other long-distance sled dog races.

The heavier variety of sled dog is referred to as a “freighter”. This sled-dog type leans heavily towards the larger Malamute type of Spitz breeds and can sometimes have some St. Bernard, McKenzie River Husky or other large breed in them. Used mainly for hauling heavy loads in the past, these dogs now also excel at weight-pulling contests.

Lighter-weight Alaskan Huskies or “sprinters” are referred to as Eurohounds in some circles. Contrary to the “sled dog” many people envision, sprint dogs are often fairly small, short-haired, highly enthusiastic athletes specifically bred for short, intense sprint races where there is no need to sleep outdoors or mush for many hours in frigid weather. These dogs look like mixed-breed mutts to outsiders, but the thought and care put into their breeding is as intense as the competitive sprint races they excel in.

The “average” Alaskan Husky is a hardy dog with upright or partially upright ears. Most Alaskan Huskies have a dense, short to medium-length double coat to protect from ice, wind and rain and the endurance to travel up to 100 miles in a 24 hour period while pulling 80+ pounds each. Alaskan Huskies come in any coat or eye color, but long-haired and single-coated dogs are discouraged in the breed.

On closer examination, an experienced dog breeder might discern traits of not only the Siberian Husky, Malamute, Samoyed or other Spitz-breed dogs that the Alaskan Husky breed was founded on, but also a sprinkling of Border Collie (superb intelligence), Pointer (enthusiasm and focus) and hound (sight-hounds like the Saluki may seem an odd addition, but these hounds of the desert add speed and endurance – invaluable assets in a sled dog). This is the ultimate “designer dog”!

Alaskan Huskies are not show dogs. It is unlikely that sled dogs will ever be recognized as a “true” dog breed because there is no true preferred type other than a generalized “northern dog type” and no pedigree or proven ancestry is necessary. They are bred for stamina, speed and the desire to pull a sled no matter what the conditions. This breed is based more on attitude than conformation.

The history of true northern sled dog stretches back thousands of years and across literally all of the northern continents. The only source of land transportation used by early North American natives; the ancestors of our modern day Alaskan Husky were essential partners for hunting, trapping and protection as well as transportation. Without sled dogs, explorers like Byrd, Amundson and Peary would have found exploration and travel on the frozen tundra of two continents virtually impossible.

A breed apart … the Alaskan Husky dog is ideally suited for the rugged country that it is so appropriately named for.


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this is true, they can maintain speeds up to 18mph
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Behavior and temperament are genetic. Environment and genetics are linked. This doesn't make your breeding theory true.

Some people might breed HA Pits and the same of GSD but GSD are not typically bred to be human aggressive. It isn't the intent. Superb war dog? What does that even mean. Todays military dogs are intelligent and versatile. They are not the war dogs of ancient dogs which simply main and kill in the battlefield.

This is a saying in the GSD world I was told by a GSD person.
If you walk up to a GSD and kick it. It should bite you.
If you walk up to a GSD and trip over it. It should do nothing.

They are not bred with a high level of HA, very few breeds truly are.

On the contrary I have video of my Caucasian Ovcharka showing how unapproachable they can be. That is genetic and HA is the required temperament unlike in the GSD.

Um yeah AP that's what I do. Watch hours of that to learn about dog breeds. Not! Lmao. To my knowledge they don't provide info but are about shows like Pit Boss or Crocodile Hunter. So you are either making a ridiculous assumption or your psychic ability is rusty and has me confused with someone else.
Nowhere in your copy and paste did it say Husky is an inuit term for working wolf dog (because it is not). Actually it didn't even state that they are using wolf blood. Alaskan Huskies are a mixture of a number of breeds. People use what works. A good old fashion type being bred for purpose. Not for a fancy pedigree and cookie cutter build. This is true in other breeds/breed type as well.

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Behavior and temperament are genetic. Environment and genetics are linked. This doesn't make your breeding theory true.

Some people might breed HA Pits and the same of GSD but GSD are not typically bred to be human aggressive. It isn't the intent. Superb war dog? What does that even mean. Todays military dogs are intelligent and versatile. They are not the war dogs of ancient dogs which simply main and kill in the battlefield.

This is a saying in the GSD world I was told by a GSD person.
If you walk up to a GSD and kick it. It should bite you.
If you walk up to a GSD and trip over it. It should do nothing.

They are not bred with a high level of HA, very few breeds truly are.

On the contrary I have video of my Caucasian Ovcharka showing how unapproachable they can be. That is genetic and HA is the required temperament unlike in the GSD.

Um yeah AP that's what I do. Watch hours of that to learn about dog breeds. Not! Lmao. To my knowledge they don't provide info but are about shows like Pit Boss or Crocodile Hunter. So you are either making a ridiculous assumption or your psychic ability is rusty and has me confused with someone else.
Nowhere in your copy and paste did it say Husky is an inuit term for working wolf dog (because it is not). Actually it didn't even state that they are using wolf blood. Alaskan Huskies are a mixture of a number of breeds. People use what works. A good old fashion type being bred for purpose. Not for a fancy pedigree and cookie cutter build. This is true in other breeds/breed type as well.
actually it mentioned wolves intertwining withthe working dogs.. and what I posted was so people see that HUSKY is a FUNCTION term NOT a breed term its just associated with a breed much like ABPT is a function dog.

http://www.sleddogcentral.com/featur...f/alaskans.htm



Im SORRY I WAS WRONG.. Chukchi is the term for the working wolf dog named from its place of origin and to describe the specific working dogs from that area. Husky is european derivative of Chukchi.



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Every GSD or Malinois that has come from a renounced SCH or K9 breeder have been horrible with strangers and WAY over protective, from OSBI work and personally rehabilitating HA dogs, that I KNOW there ARE a GOOD DEAL of GSDs that JUST wanna' get people like game APBTs wanna get another game ABPT.
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You guys have this all wrong, Schutzhund sport is not the same as attack or protection training. I work several APBT's in Schutzhund and it is mostly prey based with a little defense. If Siren goes after the helper in the sleeve and the helper drops the sleeve and walks away Siren would not bite. It all has to do with the sleeve being what the dog wants not the person. Now some dogs are sharper than others and my old Zebo bred male was like that. As we all know that is not typical of the APBT's temperament and dogs like that are the exception rather than the rule.

I work several Gamebred dogs in the sport and it is not the same as training a person protection dog. This is where public ignorance comes in, be educated about the difference and you will see they are not the same. I do not think any bulldog type breed should be trained for personal protection or guard work gamebred or not.

I have not read this whole thread just the last few pages, BTW
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Belgian Malinois and GSD are two different animals. I'd say my Malinois had more defense drive then 2 sport bred GSDs.
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Belgian Malinois and GSD are two different animals. I'd say my Malinois had more defense drive then 2 sport bred GSDs.
thats whats got me interested in them.
I'll be moving back to costa Rica.last time I lived there was with my pit and ACD.they have manicured responses for different situations because they've been with me so long. the ACD is 11 and the pit 8.they are set dogs.and raising A dog like the Mali with them and with it I will work an actual training regimen.
theirs A whole different use and need for A sentry type dog there.law enforcement is all but non existant.
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You guys have this all wrong, Schutzhund sport is not the same as attack or protection training. I work several APBT's in Schutzhund and it is mostly prey based with a little defense. If Siren goes after the helper in the sleeve and the helper drops the sleeve and walks away Siren would not bite. It all has to do with the sleeve being what the dog wants not the person. Now some dogs are sharper than others and my old Zebo bred male was like that. As we all know that is not typical of the APBT's temperament and dogs like that are the exception rather than the rule.

I work several Gamebred dogs in the sport and it is not the same as training a person protection dog. This is where public ignorance comes in, be educated about the difference and you will see they are not the same. I do not think any bulldog type breed should be trained for personal protection or guard work gamebred or not.

I have not read this whole thread just the last few pages, BTW

Lisa I just don't agree with it not for this breed. There are plenty of game dog owners who don't agree with it as this topic is always discussed on other game dog forums. But to each his own I feel there are much better suitable breeds bred for the sport and the APBT is not one of them. I am not telling anyone what they can and can't do with their dogs. I just wouldn't do it with my own. And I have talked to several people about this both for and against it before I made the choice not to go that route with my own dogs.
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Lisa I just don't agree with it not for this breed. There are plenty of game dog owners who don't agree with it as this topic is always discussed on other game dog forums. But to each his own I feel there are much better suitable breeds bred for the sport and the APBT is not one of them. I am not telling anyone what they can and can't do with their dogs. I just wouldn't do it with my own. And I have talked to several people about this both for and against it before I made the choice not to go that route with my own dogs.
I agree Sadie. I have never liked to see the APBT in any type of protection work, or any aggression toward people, even if controled.
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I would have no issues with the apbt as a shutz/ french ring dog if only the average joe didnt have an opinion on it. I actually think they would be one of the better dogs suited to it with the amount of drive they have and i think they could do it better than breeds made for the job in a good example.

I had an old client who had an staff[english] he had train as a personal protection dog, he also had 20 gsd's 30malonois and 10 or so rottweilers, all trained in the same manner, as it was his business, after twent years of running it he had never had a dog as good as the stafford was , a little short for his liking but the dog itself was the best he had had in its traits and reliability. The second he had was an Australian pig dog breed we call the bull arab, an extremely loving people friendly breed.

They were personal protection dogs and pets [most of them] and if they were not at work they were just another dog. You wouldnt know any different about their night job if you saw them in the day, but once they had their collar and jacket on the were all business. People cant seem to grasp that side of it, its a game, a job they dont want to attack its just a part of their training as is a shutz dog is attacking the sleeve not the person, show me one time that you have seen a shutz dog drop the sleeve and chase the dummy once the sleeve has came off?


My issue is Joe public doesnt know the difference and when an apbt is used for any of these jobs it concretes the foundations that they are seen as human aggressive. Sad but true.
Fact is i know a few of my USA counterparts who use their dogs[gamebred apbt] for these jobs and do it well, what they choose to do with their dogs is up to them but i dont have to agree, sad realy they love to do the work and the types who do it care for their dogs better than most.
One has even told me that besides the people at the local french ring club, no one would ever know that they are used for that role so they do no harm to the breed in their own eyes.

No biggie its just not for me, if i wanted a protection dog or a french ring dog i think there are a couple i would want to try before the APBT Like the Fila or a Fila or maybee a Fila.
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actually it mentioned wolves intertwining withthe working dogs.. and what I posted was so people see that HUSKY is a FUNCTION term NOT a breed term its just associated with a breed much like ABPT is a function dog.

Sled Dog Central : A Deeper History of the Origins of the Alaskan Husky by Stephanie Little Wolf



Im SORRY I WAS WRONG.. Chukchi is the term for the working wolf dog named from its place of origin and to describe the specific working dogs from that area. Husky is european derivative of Chukchi.



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Every GSD or Malinois that has come from a renounced SCH or K9 breeder have been horrible with strangers and WAY over protective, from OSBI work and personally rehabilitating HA dogs, that I KNOW there ARE a GOOD DEAL of GSDs that JUST wanna' get people like game APBTs wanna get another game ABPT.
I didn't read the link only what you posted. Chukchi are the people native to the land, husky is sort of a counterpart to that derived from native language. It applied to the dogs, such as you said to describe those dogs but not with the word having specific meaning.
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I would have no issues with the apbt as a shutz/ french ring dog if only the average joe didnt have an opinion on it. I actually think they would be one of the better dogs suited to it with the amount of drive they have and i think they could do it better than breeds made for the job in a good example
I agree. The key is education. People think the dogs are mean and aggressive (including other breeds they get the wrong idea). HA isn't required for sport and won't make a dog bite people, be HA, untrustworthy, ect. It is simply a game and the human isn't the true target. The bite work is just one part if Schutzhund as well. People have misconceptions about it, I think it is better to educate them rather then simply not do it. Even people with other breeds have similar problems. Rottweilers are known to be a guardian type breed but people see them in Schutzhund and it cemented in their mind that they are killing machines bred simply to attack and will turn on humans. They don't have a clue at what they are looking at. I've even heard somethings from outraged Rottweiler owners about those doing bite work are the reason Rottweilers attack, have a bad name, are banned, ect. Ignorance at its finest.

I met a lady at a show which does it with her Corsos and Pit. The dogs are just as stable as any other. This was an all breed show where people don't mind crowding you! Not to mention she takes them out in public places, petco and so on. The dogs are not crazed people killers.

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They were personal protection dogs and pets [most of them] and if they were not at work they were just another dog. You wouldnt know any different about their night job if you saw them in the day, but once they had their collar and jacket on the were all business. People cant seem to grasp that side of it, its a game, a job they dont want to attack its just a part of their training as is a shutz dog is attacking the sleeve not the person, show me one time that you have seen a shutz dog drop the sleeve and chase the dummy once the sleeve has came off?
Exactly. A true HA dog will. Your average sport dog, many participating in it won't. There are some who will which is not in relation to sport itself. It's the dogs breeding and temperament. There are true highly defensive HA dogs and they don't care about a sleeve. They will keep coming. Those dogs only have one thing on their mind.
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Education is the key in no way are my dogs HA it is all a game to them now if you take a more serious breed like the GSD or Mal then it is a different story. The ppl who are against bulldogs in Sch sport are uneducated on the sport, not to say you are stupid just that you do not understand what it is all about and how HA is not apart of it. Ppl will always not like to see them do that type of work but the fact remains they can excel in the sport.

I do agree that other breeds are better suited for it! My scores at the last Sch trial proved that! lol Siren lost a lot of points in the bite work because she is not intimidating enough when she is barking. The bark and hold should deter someone from moving, Siren makes you want to laugh at her because she is so small and her bark high pitched. Also GSD are bred for the sport ans many things come naturally to them, I really have to work hard to over come my some things in the APBT's personality.
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jmo and I'm not very familiar with the sport but I think a excessive ha dog wouldnt be good and since the apbt was breed not to be ha would be an advantage at lease on the aspect of stoping the attack I guess you could call it. Ive seen many vids of police dogs not immediatly(sp) stopping and to me this is one cause the dog is over excited by the attack or ha. And either way the dog should be fallowing comands shouldnt they? rather than deciding them selves weather to attck. but yes non educated people should never participate with anything dangerous wether that be shooting, fighting or teaching dogs bite work
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THE APBT is a catch and [] match dog; its game bred to be able to endure any amount of pain and still pursue victory....... No dog that can fight for 3hrs should be HA or promoted to be through training. < I mean some laymen who want a guard dog)

Lisa and her Kennel have a good program inwhich as she says she is excercising her dogs intelligence and athleticism, its a game to them.. because APBTs are NOT HA.. Hooch failed his first two trials for similar actions, just wouldnt grab the perp in the suit, Hooch was all paws, like quit playin.. ANYWAY


Unless its an educated person *PROFESSIONAL* JMO then you should not be attempting this at home.. LOL Not everyone has the education and the time let alone the accountability of trainging HA APBTs. TO offer proof, this discussion has come up before and I posted some XL bully breeders who specialize in MANSTOPPERS and their dogs are heavy HA. HOWEVER these selectively bred game/working lines that PK has with a lil show line here or there is NOTHING like it, great dogs, great trainer.

Once tribes breed wolves the FIRST litter RAISED by MAN are DOGS!<<<<<<<<<<< Laika means dog that barks for instance, Chukchi are working dogs, but to the WEST working wolf dogs, because they are wolf dogs... still wolf in the eyes of western politics.

You can breed and harbor mental traits and mental disorders as well such as AGGRESSION...
example: HA dogs .......... MANY more to POST... Lisa @ PK is a one of kind JMO. In general the APBT should not be used for or bred for GUARD work. LEADS TO THESE..
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