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Old 12-30-2010, 03:28 AM   #31 (permalink)
 
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He never produced anything better than himself he produced some winner's but no where near what Mayday produced . He was a better box dog than he was a producer.That is not discrediting him as a bulldog. I am simply saying he is not anywhere close to being a top producer he produced a few good ones but the way you made it sound Cudda was producing his butt off.

Here is what Cudda Produced

ONLINE PEDIGREES :: OFFSPRING :: LATIN FORCE KENNEL'S BARRACUDA (9XW) :: [87736]

And here is what Mayday Produced

ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [560] :: SOUTHERN KENNEL'S MAYDAY
Pedsonline doesnt really show an accurate account of how a dog produces. What did you see that was average from barracuda because Orca was an intense killer of a dog that had to be carried to the [] in a crate and let go from there. And stop comparing him to mayday, that isnt what this is about, Barracuda produced great dogs and that honestly can't be argued. All his kids were like him, rough, game and intense bulldogs. So yes, he did produce his ass off
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Old 12-30-2010, 03:40 AM   #32 (permalink)
 

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And stop comparing him to mayday, that isnt what this is about, Barracuda produced great dogs and that honestly can't be argued.
You initially compared the two so this is exactly what this is about .... As you said this below ... So what are you trying to say exactly if you weren't trying to compare them?

Barracuda is said to be the better dog between him and Mayday. I'd also say he was better than Machobuck too. Barracuda beat 4 dogs OTC while they were conditioned to match. Shows how good of a producer Mayday was
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Old 12-30-2010, 03:41 AM   #33 (permalink)
 
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You initially compared the two so this is exactly what this is about .... As you said this below ... So what are you trying to say exactly if you weren't trying to compare them?

Barracuda is said to be the better dog between him and Mayday. I'd also say he was better than Machobuck too. Barracuda beat 4 dogs OTC while they were conditioned to match. Shows how good of a producer Mayday was
Where did I say Barracuda was the better producer though? I was talking about performance
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What did you see that was average from barracuda because Orca was an intense killer of a dog that had to be carried to the [] in a crate and let go from there. And stop comparing him to mayday, that isnt what this is about, Barracuda produced great dogs and that honestly can't be argued. All his kids were like him, rough, game and intense bulldogs. So yes, he did produce his ass off
this is why I said I was not able to find out much about the dogs he produced. I like this dog. Mayday i awesome too. This is why I trying to learn more about the lines.
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Old 12-30-2010, 03:48 AM   #35 (permalink)
 

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And where are YOU getting your information from? Have you spoken to Victor yourself? I gave my opinion from everything I have read Mayday was a better producer Barracudda was a so so producer he wasn't anything special by way of producing ... Any ROM dog should be able to produce something ... That doesn't make them a TOP producer. I said that Barraccuda did not produce dogs better than himself. Opinions will very here is a thread on game dog about Cudda as a producer for anyone who want's to read it.

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Old 12-30-2010, 03:50 AM   #36 (permalink)
 
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this is why I said I was not able to find out much about the dogs he produced. I like this dog. Mayday i awesome too. This is why I trying to learn more about the lines.
Nothing wrong with that. Both are great dogs that left there mark in history.

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Old 12-30-2010, 03:51 AM   #37 (permalink)
 

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Cudda's percentages were low if you see how many dogs he produced .. But whatever we can agree to disagree I still say he was an average producer .. He produced a few good ones but nothing to put him up there with the Top producers.
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Old 12-30-2010, 03:54 AM   #38 (permalink)
 
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And where are YOU getting your information from? Have you spoken to Victor yourself? I gave my opinion from everything I have read Mayday was a better producer Barracudda was a so so producer he wasn't anything special by way of producing ... Any ROM dog should be able to produce something ... That doesn't make them a TOP producer. I said that Barraccuda did not produce dogs better than himself. Opinions will very here is a thread on game dog about Cudda as a producer for anyone who want's to read it.

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From what I have seen is where I get my info from. Not on forums. His kids and grandkids were down in Southern, Va and has grandkids still there that are nice. You are putting words in my mouth, never said he was top anything. Just a good producer. Like I said you could always contact Victor on that dog, he has his website still(I never talked to him for the record)
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Old 12-30-2010, 03:55 AM   #39 (permalink)
 
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If you say so lol. Not gonna argue anymore on that dog. He was a great dog
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Old 12-30-2010, 03:59 AM   #40 (permalink)
 

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Good producer by way of what? I say he's average considering how many times he was bred LOL any dog that is bred that many times better produce something but still his percentages are low based on what we have access to on him. I was never saying he was a bad dog just not as much of a producer based on his percentages. So you can take it how you want to. I initially thought you were trying to compare Mayday to Cudda producer wise and once I got clarification from your initial post I understood where you were coming from.
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Old 12-30-2010, 04:02 AM   #41 (permalink)
 

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If you say so lol. Not gonna argue anymore on that dog. He was a great dog

I agree he is in my dogs pedigree I love anything down from the Mayday Family of dogs. And I haven't read much up on the dogs Cudda produced I just know they bred the crap out of him and he produced a few good dogs. I am more so impressed by his performance as a box dog 9xw is impressive.
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Old 12-30-2010, 04:05 AM   #42 (permalink)
 
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People say the same thing about Frisco, Mayday and Jeep. I know what I seen and there is no arguing on what I seen on how those Barracuda dogs are and I like them. I'll probably email Victor and talk with him but I aint arguing on this no more
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Old 12-30-2010, 04:07 AM   #43 (permalink)
 

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Well if you can get more info on it from Victor I would be more than willing to listen ... I have a pup as you know who comes down from some of those dogs so I am not disputing that they aren't good bulldogs. I will agree to disagree about Cudda as a producer.
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Well, I just got off the phone with Victor and had a long talk with him about Mayday, Barracuda and Orca. First I'll say like i said before, don't trust what you read online about these dogs unless you seen it or talk to the owners of the dogs. But in short about our convo, yes like I have been saying, Barracuda was an excellent producer
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Ummmm yeah ... Ok If you say so ..... I am going to double check this info with a buddy of mine who knows all these dog men for real. I will post back when I get a response. Until then I am going to stand firm on his production records available online numbers don't lie as many times as he was bred his percentages are low. I will touch back on this once I get in contact with a friend of mine. I have no problem admitting when I am wrong but I am going to get some facts from a real dog man before I go any further with this topic.
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