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Old 02-18-2011, 05:09 AM   #16 (permalink)
 

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I agree 1000% it can be done but why would anyone want to. It doesn't make sense. But I guess people will try anything to prove a point. LOL I hear people saying well not all amstaff's lack gameness and working ability. But when I hear that I ask myself why does it matter anyway? The show dog was taken in a different direction so the idea was to breed away those traits more specifically gameness. And without testing for it either way you can only speculate. I am with you on everything your saying I guess I am just pointing out that the staff is a show dog so people shouldn't worry about them being game they are no longer bred for that purpose. If you want a working dog get a working dog from working stock like you already said.
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Old 02-18-2011, 05:23 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Yes it would be ill advised to start out with an Amstaff and try to get it back to being a box dog in this day and age. However, I'm sure it's been done (at least attempted) just to prove a point and I don't mean just the early Amstaffs that were still tested and matched. People do all sorts of stupid things to prove themselves right.

I don't think anyone's suggesting that all Amstaffs are as game as any purpose bred APBT but as I said in my first post, not every APBT is game and not every Amstaff is just a show pony.
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Old 02-18-2011, 08:02 AM   #18 (permalink)
 
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this thread isnt about amstaffs being game per se. its about amstaffs in some notable gamedogs peds. most occured in the 70's andd 80's. and if what ive heard about carver is true there may be hell of a lot more out there.
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Old 02-18-2011, 09:25 AM   #19 (permalink)
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So are we actually discussing anything or did you answer your own question in your first post?
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Tacoma was from Corviono/Colby, Colby/Dibo... etc.. APBTs so technically the orignal AM Staff came from APBTs and Tacoma bred back into APBTs only gives APBTs a good washout of blood bred different for APBTs and adds sound temperment and better performance to the AmStaff when APBT is crossed over.. WHY because the Amstaff comes from APBTs Colby, Nebbletts, Corvino, Heinzl, Lightner... ALL THE AKC stock started from these fellas pretty much with other included of course but essentially it was from the pit stock of a few fellas, and the only reason the name is AmStaff is Politics.. and money invested ... aka PRIDE. AKC doesnt breed performance AST like ADBA does APBTs now does it? SO NO... AMSTAFF lines are NOT present in game lines because TACOMA was a PIT BULL registered by any other name


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I was just about to say the same thing. I see it all the time where someone is looking at peds then they find Amstaff and say that dog is a pitterstaff. Well if you go back far enough in the peds you will find AST in many of them since back then those dogs were the foundation stock of the AST we know today. I HATE when someone looks a ped and calls a APBT mixed because back in the 10 generation they see AST that was one of the foundation dogs. It shows ignorance on their part yet I see it all the time on forums.
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OP you answered yourself... what was the point if I missed it... Yes there is AST in generations back in some game line APBT... You have to know that already being they both came from the same place the only difference is they were bred in different directions....
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Old 02-18-2011, 06:13 PM   #22 (permalink)
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theres no way to really judge and apbt as it would need to be judged in this day cause [] dogs is looked down upon. there was somewhat of an outline but that couldnt cut it and the APBT was allowed in the AKC, so they basically just changed the name for show and over the YEARS a lot of traits have been bred out of the true apbt to make the staffy what it is today. so of coarse there is going to be a lot of game bred dogs in am. staff peds. am staff's wouldnt be here without the old game dog lines

hopefully what i just said applies to the discussion its a lil all over the place. not sure if it was a retorical post or not lol
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if there were a proven amstaff today would any of yall use it. say it came tested stock and all. I hear a lot of people saying its been 80 years since an amstaff has seeen a pit. but that is not the case. there probaly have been some in the pit as late as yesterday. if the stock was only registered AKC and not bred for looks only for the past 40 years or so. wouldnt it be possible to have ro nice game amstaffs. even though it would be in name only. i'd take a apbt/amstaff over a apbt or amstaff any day. for the simple reason of more genetic diversity. I would love to take a heavy tacoma dog from a guy like harold card(not tested but bred to show good signs) to a heavy rbj dog. i think that cross would make a great bulldog. And the genetic diversity would possibly make a healthier dog.
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Tacomabit... if the dogs that built Tacoma say PITBULL and they are CH [] dogs and UKC was BEFORE AKC then its safe to say that ASTs that appear in such paperwork are those dogs registered in 2 or 3 ADBA, AKC, UKC .. as they were the founding stock... I see pure nebbletts litters split and registered 3 ways, so now what? Just adds to what Nizmo just revamped on.. It was APBT before it was AST .. so unless I see a current AST in a Tombstone ped, or a Dibo ped, well it doesnt hold much water.
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if there were a proven amstaff today would any of yall use it. say it came tested stock and all. I hear a lot of people saying its been 80 years since an amstaff has seeen a pit. but that is not the case. there probaly have been some in the pit as late as yesterday. if the stock was only registered AKC and not bred for looks only for the past 40 years or so. wouldnt it be possible to have ro nice game amstaffs. even though it would be in name only. i'd take a apbt/amstaff over a apbt or amstaff any day. for the simple reason of more genetic diversity. I would love to take a heavy tacoma dog from a guy like harold card(not tested but bred to show good signs) to a heavy rbj dog. i think that cross would make a great bulldog. And the genetic diversity would possibly make a healthier dog.
yeah,, you take a Mayday dog and register it as an AST.. !! LOL or a ELI dog would workd too! buahahhahahaha big chest big head, all game.. then you would have a CURRENT game bred AST... <<< thats how they GOT THE FIRST AMSTAFFs!!!!!!!!! Papered game dogs and the litters of with a different name.. not rocket science, and Carver rung a lot of dogs to hide what he was doing with his breeding regiment, he rung swinfords with carver papers and now we have non game blue carver and boudreaux dogs with CH in their 4-7, LOL whatever... people
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this thread isnt about amstaffs being game per se. its about amstaffs in some notable gamedogs peds. most occured in the 70's andd 80's. and if what ive heard about carver is true there may be hell of a lot more out there.
the majority were not 70's and 80's dogs,that was reefer madness and disco.
they came,in m ajority to this country, and were bred to refinement here.theirs some that still today will tear the as$ out of A bull doin 60,heck,I had a lab that went for more than 15 min.(my little brother was 12,he made A big mistake) with A pit,granted he was 80# the pit 40,yet reality speaks volumes.
whats the old sayin,you can take the dog outta the fight,you can't take the fight outta the dog.they've all got A recessive,dormant trait that sometimes wakes up and says,"man,i don't like other dogs,AND don't let me set a hook into one".
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