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Old 06-07-2011, 04:57 AM   #16 (permalink)
 
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I thnk its still too small IMO and way to premature to be shutting the books already but its not my regestry so they can do as they please
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Old 06-07-2011, 05:04 AM   #17 (permalink)
 
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I thnk its still too small IMO and way to premature to be shutting the books already but its not my regestry so they can do as they please
LOL thats why i said supposedly.Hopefully they were just sayin that to encourage people to join faster.
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Old 06-07-2011, 01:36 PM   #18 (permalink)
 
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[QUOTE]published: 10/6/2006

This is a new breed created more than 15 years ago, and it is a separate breed from the "pit bull."

We blended different breeds together to obtain certain desired traits. The American pit bull terrier was one of the breeds whose lineage is in the background of this breed, but it is by no means the only breed behind it.
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If the above statement by one of the founders is true and different breeds were used to create the am bully then to have any bully still registered with the AKC, UKC or ADBA would require fraud and bogus papers somewhere along the way

if the lineage of an am bully is pure Am Staff (AKC) APBT (ukc, ADBA) and fraud and bogus papers were not used then the am bully cannot be its own breed but only a poor representation from a standards point of view of either an Am Staff or an APBT
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Old 06-07-2011, 02:15 PM   #19 (permalink)
 
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" Semper Fi Bullies was established in May of 2007 with the purchase of our first female UPS/KO Cammie (Cammie passed away during an ear crop), Against All Oddz’ Mt. Suribachi aka “Suri” and Bluesteel’s Ground Pounder aka “Grunt”. Our line of American Pit Bull Terrier currently consists of only Razors Edge but plan on incorporating other bloodlines into our program.

The APBT/American Bullies are more than just dogs to us, they are our family. Our pits/bullies are loved and treated with respect. Our pets are kept in a very clean environment and all live indoors. Keeping our facilities clean is very important to the health of our pit bulls and it shows in their appearance. Proper diet is also a main concern here at Semper Fi Bullies, which is why we feed our pit bulls/bullies a high quality dog food.

Semper Fi Bullies is dedicated to improving the APBT/American Bully breed. We want to produce the kind of dogs that conform to the breed’s standard. Producing temperaments that will contradict all of the negative stereotypes associated with APBT’s. Our pits/bullies are dual registered with the U.K.C./A.B.K.C. Our pits will offer excellent temperament, health, loyalty, drive and intelligence. We strive to change the popular misconception that pit bulls do not make excellent pets.

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I will report to the proper authorities all information I gain pertaining to the abuse of animals."

what were you saying about not representing them as APBTs this is copied from his home page
I believe why it says APBT/Bullies is because they own both breeds they are great members here if you really want to know just PM them. They have not represented there bullies for anything other than bullies and I am pretty sure they had UKC dogs first and still do show APBT's in UKC.
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Old 06-07-2011, 04:32 PM   #20 (permalink)
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I've never had an interest in the "bullies", but after observation of many things, I'd say it makes no difference if they are/were registered with ADBA/UKC. History has shown that people can breed from totally game dogs and yet end up producing curs within 10 years, from any of the top game-bred bloodlines. Bullie breeders admit they breed for another purpose, and if they deliberitley discarded the traits a game breeder wants, you can be sure they are no longer APBT's.

I RESPECT the bullie breeders who know what they have and let people know the truth about their bullies...but I'm impatient with APBT breeders who KNOW what they don't have, yet boast as though they got the best. When the time to prove it comes, they duck and put their tail between their legs (these phoney breeders).
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I believe why it says APBT/Bullies is because they own both breeds they are great members here if you really want to know just PM them. They have not represented there bullies for anything other than bullies and I am pretty sure they had UKC dogs first and still do show APBT's in UKC.
This may just be a case of a difference in opinion of what misrepresenting is, but I feel that if your bully is registered in the ADBA/UKC as an APBT than that is misrepresentation and their home page states " our pits/bullies are dual registered with the U.K.C./A.B.K.C."
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This may just be a case of a difference in opinion of what misrepresenting is, but I feel that if your bully is registered in the ADBA/UKC as an APBT than that is misrepresentation and their home page states " our pits/bullies are dual registered with the U.K.C./A.B.K.C."
Words that appear on the homepage of a website are all tags when you search on google for instance.So alot of people put ABPT/Pit Bull/Bully ect on there to get hits on the tags.Ive seen a few websites that have a disclaimer explaining this before.
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Old 06-07-2011, 10:39 PM   #23 (permalink)
 
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I understand tags but when you state that your dogs are duel registered with the UKC and abkc that is not a tag it is one dog being registered as 2 different breeds if its a bully then register it with the abkc, if its an APBT register it with the UKC or ADBA but you cant do both and then claim that the bully is a seperate breed. it is either a seperate breed registered with the abkc or a poorly out of standards APBT registered with the UKC or ADBA. you cant have your cake and eat it too
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I understand that most bullies at one point were ADBA/UKC registered because of the lies and controversy that started off with those dogs. But at this point now that an ABKC registry is in place for the American Bully there is no reason at all for breeder's of American Bullies to be breeding and registering their dog's as APBT's with the UKC/ADBA. That is lying and false misrepresentation. I understand where Jay hawk is coming from there. For those bullies who are ABKC registered at this point they need to forfit those UKC/ADBA paper's stating they own APBT's you can't have it both ways if you own bullies call and register them as such with the appropriate registry. If they continue to breed and Dual register their dog's with the ABKC/UKC it defeats the purpose
of even having a registry for American Bullies when you have people registering their dog's as two different breeds. I feel like the bully breeder's who are still breeding and dual registering their dog's are doing this for marketing advantage. Why else would you need to register a bully as an APBT with the ADBA/UKC? Those dog's can't compete in the show ring most of them anyway because they don't even fit the APBT standard. So what would be the point?

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I understand tags but when you state that your dogs are duel registered with the UKC and abkc that is not a tag it is one dog being registered as 2 different breeds if its a bully then register it with the abkc, if its an APBT register it with the UKC or ADBA but you cant do both and then claim that the bully is a seperate breed. it is either a seperate breed registered with the abkc or a poorly out of standards APBT registered with the UKC or ADBA. you cant have your cake and eat it too
With anything new (ABKC) theres always a chance of failure or something bigger/better to come along so IMO keeping UKC isnt such a bad idea not to mention lots of the classic bullys do well in the UKC.I agree tha bullys should be ABKC for the most part.There are exceptions IMO like my dog Loki hes UKC but has bully/amstaff/APBT bloodlines watchdog/greyline/Lar san/Gaffs and a lil Razors edge.He's a big scatterbred beast.He is getting dual reg with ADBA for WP thats all.Ukc has no events locally so ADBA does and thats what im doing.He also will be ABKC by the time they close the books as they are now adding WP also.
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I will just play devils advocate here for a minute. What if all the APBT owner's took their ADBA dog's and started breeding and dual registering them with the ABKC as American Bullies? The American Bully community wouldn't like it. I am just saying I appreciate and respect those Bully breeder's out there who are registering their dog's with the ABKC as American Bullies. I would have even much more respect if they stopped breeding and dual registering their dog's as APBT's and burned those UKC/ADBA paper's stating they own American Pit bull Terriers as those paper's are useless and are based on fraud and lies.
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I should of added:all our other dogs will be ABKC reg only.By 2012(except Loki)Ill do whatever i have to to compete in WP with him in whatever registry offers events.Is that really a big problem?Its not like im breeding him using ADBA paperwork.
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Also why does the ADBA even offer dual reg with UKC?
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Because the ADBA and the UKC both Recognize the APBT as a breed and have for a very long time. So people have the option of registering their APBT's with the UKC or the ADBA. Like i said it's BS because the AKC staff can be registered as an APBT with the UKC/ADBA but I can't take my game bred APBT's and register them with the AKC as an AKC staff. Because the AKC staff is clearly a totally different breed today they no longer are bred to the same standards as the APBT, they don't function like APBT's and they have gone a totally different direction all together. One thing I have to say about AKC Staff owner's and breeder's most of the one's I have spoken with REFUSE to register their dog's with the ADBA/UKC because they will not acknowledge the Staff as it's own breed. And a lot of these AKC staff owner's would love to compete in the UKC show ring but they won't register their dog's with the UKC until the UKC acknowledges the AKC staff as it's own breed.
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Also why does the ADBA even offer dual reg with UKC?
Same breed

the is a dog reg as an APBT in both registries. not registered as 2 seperates breeds as is the case with the bullies in the abkc that are also reg as APBT in another registry
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