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Old 07-26-2011, 03:38 AM   #31 (permalink)
 
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Honestly Sadie that is very much how I feel, but I've been told many times that I've got scatterbred mutts, which frankly hurts my feelings and I'm thinking seriously about scrapping my whole program and starting over with a nice RE dog............

nawwww maybe not....I'll stick with my mutts..lmao
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Honestly Sadie that is very much how I feel, but I've been told many times that I've got scatterbred mutts, which frankly hurts my feelings and I'm thinking seriously about scrapping my whole program and starting over with a nice RE dog............

nawwww maybe not....I'll stick with my mutts..lmao
i would cry if you did that ... 260 lb man crying is bad to look at .
id post it on youtube and blame you for it ...
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Honestly Sadie that is very much how I feel, but I've been told many times that I've got scatterbred mutts, which frankly hurts my feelings and I'm thinking seriously about scrapping my whole program and starting over with a nice RE dog............

nawwww maybe not....I'll stick with my mutts..lmao
BWAHHAAAAAAAA ... Girl your crazy !!! Stacia whatever your doing they are your dogs you don't breed for other people you breed for yourself first so bump what everyone else thinks. Like I said I do know people who breed this way and they swear by these type of crosses. I can't knock it because I have never tried it LOL... I just don't like it when breeders are throwing stuff together without having a clue to what end is up you obviously have been breeding your dogs long enough to know what works for you and that is what it's supposed to be about at the end of the day. The peds you sent me I knew every dog in those peds there was not one that I didn't know or recognize. Except for CH Bull **** BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
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LOL!! I'd pay to see that vid motocross..

Sadie I've learned to develope a thick skin over the years, I've had people bashing me for owning colby dogs, hence where some ask me about my curlbys lol, and generally give me a hard time...but I can honestly say what I've got is working, and I'm consistantly improving on what I have so I don't doubt my program or goals. I can tell you that there were a few people that realllllyyyy bashed me about my colby dogs then a few years later were hitting me up to get one....lets just say I have a long memory and they won't be feeding a dog from my yard if I have anything to say about it....lmao

I have no problem absorbing information and ideas from people who have been breeding dogs, are very experienced, or even are at the learning stage where they are absorbing anything and everything...hell if I stopped listening and learning I might as well get out of the dogs because no one can ever know all there is to know.

Have to say I've really enjoyed this thread, loved the different views, and have been reading and studying up... I love to see people with knowledge and even tempers having a discussion, we don't have to agree but at least we can have a discussion without tempers flairing and people flying off the handle. Nothing like sitting back and talking dogs and bouncing views and ideas off knowledgable people!
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LOL!! I'd pay to see that vid motocross..

Sadie I've learned to develope a thick skin over the years, I've had people bashing me for owning colby dogs, hence where some ask me about my curlbys lol, and generally give me a hard time...but I can honestly say what I've got is working, and I'm consistantly improving on what I have so I don't doubt my program or goals. I can tell you that there were a few people that realllllyyyy bashed me about my colby dogs then a few years later were hitting me up to get one....lets just say I have a long memory and they won't be feeding a dog from my yard if I have anything to say about it....lmao

I have no problem absorbing information and ideas from people who have been breeding dogs, are very experienced, or even are at the learning stage where they are absorbing anything and everything...hell if I stopped listening and learning I might as well get out of the dogs because no one can ever know all there is to know.

Have to say I've really enjoyed this thread, loved the different views, and have been reading and studying up... I love to see people with knowledge and even tempers having a discussion, we don't have to agree but at least we can have a discussion without tempers flairing and people flying off the handle. Nothing like sitting back and talking dogs and bouncing views and ideas off knowledgable people!
Fine , ill post the vid if you go to RE.. but you gotta lemme pick some of your real dogs before you switch !( i need another girl to balance my boy / girl ratio lol )
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Old 07-26-2011, 04:00 AM   #36 (permalink)
 

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LOL!! I'd pay to see that vid motocross..

Sadie I've learned to develope a thick skin over the years, I've had people bashing me for owning colby dogs, hence where some ask me about my curlbys lol, and generally give me a hard time...but I can honestly say what I've got is working, and I'm consistantly improving on what I have so I don't doubt my program or goals. I can tell you that there were a few people that realllllyyyy bashed me about my colby dogs then a few years later were hitting me up to get one....lets just say I have a long memory and they won't be feeding a dog from my yard if I have anything to say about it....lmao

I have no problem absorbing information and ideas from people who have been breeding dogs, are very experienced, or even are at the learning stage where they are absorbing anything and everything...hell if I stopped listening and learning I might as well get out of the dogs because no one can ever know all there is to know.

Have to say I've really enjoyed this thread, loved the different views, and have been reading and studying up... I love to see people with knowledge and even tempers having a discussion, we don't have to agree but at least we can have a discussion without tempers flairing and people flying off the handle. Nothing like sitting back and talking dogs and bouncing views and ideas off knowledgable people!


I agree I am by no means anywhere near as experienced as some of you I have never bred any animal but it's amazing what you can learn from others who have been in the dog game for years and years and taking the time to pick up a book and read. I only hope if I ever do get to the point where I am ready to breed I have the support of good dog people to kick my butt when I am messing up. Just think if we had the experience that some of these older dog folks in the game have it would probably cost us a lot less screwing up in the end. I mean you have to make mistakes or crawl before you can walk but some mistakes can cost you more than what it's worth. I love picking folks brains when I get the chance to LOL.
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I agree I am by no means anywhere near as experienced as some of you I have never bred any animal but it's amazing what you can learn from others who have been in the dog game for years and years and taking the time to pick up a book and read. I only hope if I ever do get to the point where I am ready to breed I have the support of good dog people to kick my butt when I am messing up. Just think if we had the experience that some of these older dog folks in the game have it would probably cost us a lot less screwing up in the end. I mean you have to make mistakes or crawl before you can walk but some mistakes can cost you more than what it's worth. I love picking folks brains when I get the chance to LOL.
LOL i totally understand on the brain pickin!
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Fine , ill post the vid if you go to RE.. but you gotta lemme pick some of your real dogs before you switch !( i need another girl to balance my boy / girl ratio lol )

Hmmmm I've got a 20 month old bitch I'm looking to place in a knowledgable home... hit me up!! lol
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I agree I am by no means anywhere near as experienced as some of you I have never bred any animal but it's amazing what you can learn from others who have been in the dog game for years and years and taking the time to pick up a book and read. I only hope if I ever do get to the point where I am ready to breed I have the support of good dog people to kick my butt when I am messing up. Just think if we had the experience that some of these older dog folks in the game have it would probably cost us a lot less screwing up in the end. I mean you have to make mistakes or crawl before you can walk but some mistakes can cost you more than what it's worth. I love picking folks brains when I get the chance to LOL.
I have had the opportunity to pick the brains of a few old school dogmen over the years, I'm thankful that they took time to talk with me and give me pointers here and there!! Have to say I try to always keep an open mind and have no problem sharing my failures or successes with someone who is willing to listen and learn, heck when you help someone else sometimes you learn just as much! You have some good people in your corner Sadie!
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I have had the opportunity to pick the brains of a few old school dogmen over the years, I'm thankful that they took time to talk with me and give me pointers here and there!! Have to say I try to always keep an open mind and have no problem sharing my failures or successes with someone who is willing to listen and learn, heck when you help someone else sometimes you learn just as much! You have some good people in your corner Sadie!
And now newbies like me look up to you. haha
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Hey Lady I totally agree with your post, the problem on here (the internet) its hard to see what people are doing. Its very true that if you breed 4 sperate lines with similar traits you are closing in on what you will get in the offspring. However and by reading your post, I am sure you are well aware of this, if they are random dogs bred together then the outcome is a crapshoot!

On another note, if you know what you have and you know what you want to do with that line and you know what another line does, bring it in. Im not saying its wrong to outcross, that is necessary. People should be allowed to do as they please!
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Scattered dogs usually won't be as consistent with their parents (they may have different traits than what you liked about them) the litter will likely vary and your dog won't produce consistently. It's not as predictable.

The above is with random mating. However assortative mating is breeding together dogs like in type though unrelated. This can get you consistentcy as you are breeding together dogs with the same traits for generations. So you are getting like genes / traits and eliminating traits you don't want.

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I'm not a breeder, havent been, dont ever plan on being.. so i'm a little lost.. you say inbreeding? how closely do you breed apbt?? i mean like mother/son, or like mother/sixth cousin twice removed, kinda thing?? sorry just a little confused
I inbred close, line breed and lose linebreeding too.

Inbreeding can be beneficial in getting the traits you want but bad recessive traits can pop up and at times mutation (which can be bad) and damage can occur.
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. However assortative mating is breeding together dogs like in type though unrelated. This can get you consistentcy as you are breeding together dogs with the same traits for generations. So you are getting like genes / traits and eliminating traits you don't want.



I inbred close, line breed and lose linebreeding too.

Inbreeding can be beneficial in getting the traits you want but bad recessive traits can pop up and at times mutation (which can be bad) and damage can occur.
Ok what you said...lol This is exactly what I was trying to say in my lonnnnggg drawn out posting..lol Great post Old Blood!
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Ok what you said...lol This is exactly what I was trying to say in my lonnnnggg drawn out posting..lol Great post Old Blood!
I got what you were saying. You and Sadie both had great post imo.
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Many APBT breeders felt if a line had bad genes pop up, they are culled off (or at least not bred).
This is an advantage of tight breeding. The bad traits become exposed for the breeder to be able to find and remove them. These are not new genes some how being created.

If you scatterbred (outcross) to get rid of bad traits, you have just left them in the gene pool for others to have to deal with them when they randomly pop back up again.

An outcross can be useful from time to time. Back in the day one knew the outcross was game. Even then, it was often one game line bred to the same game line. They mesh right. An outcross is always tightened back up. If you do two (out-crosses) back to back, I do not think you will ever have control over your gene pool.
Great thread!

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