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Old 08-17-2011, 07:00 AM   #31 (permalink)
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ch is champion and gr ch is grand champion, look for titled dogs it means people actually did something with the dogs. make sure that the breeder has a goal and a reason for breeding that is to do better for the breed or the dogs he/she produces if that makes sense
While i do agree with this statement i also (personally) feel that show titles on working dogs are useless. Its great that they accomplished and all but when i look at working dogs, i want to see the dogs continuously bred for and proven for working abilities..

Papers are quite meaningless unless your plans are showing or breeding. Of course some sports depending on what your looking to do can also call for papers for various reasons however generally in the working environment, its not.

Papers are important and a pretty "standard" way of knowing exactly what your getting though its not the only way. Papers can be hung so no matter where you get a pup you need to ensure that the breeder is trustworthy. Some breeders still to do this day "pencil in" what they have and keep proper records for every dog on their yard without going through registries. Though this is more or less a "dying art" not to mention if you go through someone you may be unfamiliar with the gamble is huge.

IMO theres a reason this person(s) cant get rid of the pups for the original asking price and now free. Screams all kind of red flags.
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While i do agree with this statement i also (personally) feel that show titles on working dogs are useless. Its great that they accomplished and all but when i look at working dogs, i want to see the dogs continuously bred for and proven for working abilities..

Papers are quite meaningless unless your plans are showing or breeding. Of course some sports depending on what your looking to do can also call for papers for various reasons however generally in the working environment, its not.

Papers are important and a pretty "standard" way of knowing exactly what your getting though its not the only way. Papers can be hung so no matter where you get a pup you need to ensure that the breeder is trustworthy. Some breeders still to do this day "pencil in" what they have and keep proper records for every dog on their yard without going through registries. Though this is more or less a "dying art" not to mention if you go through someone you may be unfamiliar with the gamble is huge.

IMO theres a reason this person(s) cant get rid of the pups for the original asking price and now free. Screams all kind of red flags.
to be honest though i dont think they're lookin for a working dog. if she was i guess they'd be looking for dogs with ace in the peds. if i spend money on a dog id atleast like to have the option to show it, it never hurts.
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to be honest though i dont think they're lookin for a working dog. if she was i guess they'd be looking for dogs with ace in the peds. if i spend money on a dog id atleast like to have the option to show it, it never hurts.
True, probably should look at another breed if your looking for show or as a pet only. Just my opinion on that though.
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True, probably should look at another breed if your looking for show or as a pet only. Just my opinion on that though.
we already know each other stands on the subject. but i'll say a high drive dog should be placed in a working home and not placed as a pet. the average joe cant handle a high drive dog imo.
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we already know each other stands on the subject. but i'll say a high drive dog should be placed in a working home and not placed as a pet. the average joe cant handle a high drive dog imo.


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Old 08-17-2011, 07:58 AM   #36 (permalink)
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i saw this chart thing while lookin at bearded dragons once and i think that its kinda a good system just modify some of the catagories

Hold Back Quality - 5 out of 5, a dragon that exeeded my expectations for that specific breeding. Based on Color, Bloodlines, Genetics, Pattern, Size, Age and somtimes Sex..
Breeder Quality - 4 out of 5, a dragon that met my expectations for that specific breeding. Based on Color, Bloodlines, Genetics, Pattern, Size, Age and somtimes Sex..
Show Quality - 3 out of 5, a dragon that just missed being Breeder Quality for that specific breeding. Based on Color, Bloodlines, Genetics, Pattern, Size, Age and somtimes Sex..
Pet Quality - 2 out of 5, because of the quality of our bloodlines and genetics only a small percent meet this criteria . Based mainly on Color and or Pattern ( Other than color and or pattern the dragon will make a great pet to enjoy for years to come ).

given these guys breed everything under the sun and breed for colors and deformations but if you tweak the scale and catagories i think there might be something

5 categories for apbts
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we already know each other stands on the subject. but i'll say a high drive dog should be placed in a working home and not placed as a pet. the average joe cant handle a high drive dog imo.


I couldnt agree more,i already have one APBT and she has a high drive so yes i do work her just not to the extreme , and im not wanting one at the moment i was just offered this and got to thinking it didnt add up to me ?
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I couldnt agree more,i already have one APBT and she has a high drive so yes i do work her just not to the extreme , and im not wanting one at the moment i was just offered this and got to thinking it didnt add up to me ?
it doesnt... id still like to see what he comes up with as far as papers go though
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True, probably should look at another breed if your looking for show or as a pet only. Just my opinion on that though.


Yes i already have one apbt and i do work her just not as intense as others would , im not looking for a show dog and it would be a pet but my belief is pitbulls need to be worked cause they have a high drive and lots of energy imo . So yeah it would be worked,im not getting one right now its just the man offered one to me and i didnt think it seamed to add up . The reason i asked on what to look for on papers is because i want to know that im not being cheated and that its purebred,im not sure why but i always though razors edge i think its called and gator pit were nice .


So no real need for papers but i just thought about getting one with them .
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Yes i already have one apbt and i do work her just not as intense as others would , im not looking for a show dog and it would be a pet but my belief is pitbulls need to be worked cause they have a high drive and lots of energy imo . So yeah it would be worked,im not getting one right now its just the man offered one to me and i didnt think it seamed to add up . The reason i asked on what to look for on papers is because i want to know that im not being cheated and that its purebred,im not sure why but i always though razors edge i think its called and gator pit were nice .


So no real need for papers but i just thought about getting one with them .
you know razor edge are bullys right? theres no such thing as gator pits just dogs that came off of plumbers dog, crenshaws dog, and if im not mistaken theres one more named gator or alligator but i cant remember the name. so your saying that your neighbors dogs are american bullys? lol your not really getting cheated if hes offering it up for free and you know doesnt add up imo.
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IMO theres a reason this person(s) cant get rid of the pups for the original asking price and now free. Screams all kind of red flags.[/QUOTE]



It did to me too, they said she had 8 and one died , but they just couldnt sell them or something,i knew somethin was up when the woman kept changing prices cause the first time the dog got pregnant she said it was an accident yet they was in the same kennel and that they was going to the pound . Now there free ? They are the kind of person who acts like there dogs are so great and expensive , lol some people these days
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you know razor edge are bullys right? theres no such thing as gator pits just dogs that came off of plumbers dog, crenshaws dog, and if im not mistaken theres one more named gator or alligator but i cant remember the name. so your saying that your neighbors dogs are american bullys? lol your not really getting cheated if hes offering it up for free and you know doesnt add up imo.
Yes and im not saying thats what he has im saying thats the kind i think are nice ,lol there not bullys the male is papered and is apbt although the mom looks like a short beagle pit mix IMO

sorry if i confused you
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the dogs coulda very well cost em an arm and a leg but it dont mean they're worth it you can find poorly bred dogs online its common with bullys right now cuz they're a fad
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they paper bullys as apbts all the time, short pit mix? she kinda stocky or wide?
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the dogs coulda very well cost em an arm and a leg but it dont mean they're worth it you can find poorly bred dogs online its common with bullys right now cuz they're a fad
I know , the only reason i know the male has papers is because she had to brag to me one day about them and showed them to me idk what they was supposed to look like cause i havent seen one but it had just a bunch of writing ? i wish i had a pic of the mom she has to be a mutt,she does resemble a pitbull but her ears throw me off,they remind me of a beagle and shes so short . I wanna do some research on the bloodlines and stuff too before i get one , around here they go for about 150$ sometimes down to $50. I know nothing about a pedigree,well i do for rabbits cause i raised them but not dogs , lol
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