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Old 09-22-2013, 08:23 PM   #1 (permalink)
 
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As we all know, most good dogmen/breeders started by having great mentors. They were around these guys being schooled on a regular basis, to become what the "APBT world" knows of them today. I sit and read so many post and articles that are full of mistakes. Not even trial and error, but BIG MISTAKES that most idiots dont have the knowledge (or the drive to research and try to correct). We have entered an era were money puts you in the game instead of knowledge, care, and concern for the breed. Most of them woudnt know a STratton book from their a** We have more puppy-mills that are called kennels, than we have "yards". (most people will know what i mean by this) We are in an era where the dogs are owned by humans who have no drive, but want the dogs to have all the drive in the world. PLEASE DO NOT TAKE THIS POST AS<ME TRYING TO BE A KNOW-IT-ALL, im simply speaking on the things i see, due to my paying attention. The breeders of the past put effort into making these dogs better, one way or another. Even though we wont be able to do the things they did, we can still push to be on the same drawing board. I know that I NEED A MENTOR, like most people who own these dogs do, I just love the dogs enough to admit it. I see people on here who actually know the history of these dogs, and their sincerity shows in their post. Thank you guys very much!!!!! But more mentors are needed today so any of you guys who are willing, im here pencil and paper in hand willing to learn more. Thanks in Advance!!!!
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As we all know, most good dogmen/breeders started by having great mentors. !!

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Im not a huge fan of mentors. I had a coach tell me years ago "never limit yourself to my "greatness"". There's nothing wrong with having a main source of info but you're only going to hear their side. Maybe I just have different views. I wanna learn something from everyone. I feel if you put too much stock in one person you limit yourself to their achievements.
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I agree 100% JustTap, so much to learn, so many sources.
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Mentors are educational guides they show you the way. You havd to choose your path, only them will you know if yu are making an epic journey or just going to end up at the same dead end as many other mediocre so and so's...
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Mentors are educational guides they show you the way. You havd to choose your path, only them will you know if yu are making an epic journey or just going to end up at the same dead end as many other mediocre so and so's...
But would you say, that the general mistakes (not all but a nice amount) could be avoided with the general knowledge that alot of mentors provide to those who are really willing to learn.
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Mentors are educational guides they show you the way. You havd to choose your path, only them will you know if yu are making an epic journey or just going to end up at the same dead end as many other mediocre so and so's...
But they can only take you as far down their "path" as they made it. Why not talk to everyone possible gain the knowledge from all available sources and blaze your own trail? I've never been a coat tail rider. I couldn't just be 1 persons yard boy for 15 years to only realize someone out there knew and did better and I have to relearn everything I know.
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Old 09-22-2013, 10:32 PM   #8 (permalink)
 
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That is were the finding your own way comes in...
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But would you say, that the general mistakes (not all but a nice amount) could be avoided with the general knowledge that alot of mentors provide to those who are really willing to learn.


Damn , how complicated ya gonna make it? It's a simple as shutting up and making like a sponge , squeeze the sponge out every once in a while and keep what's useful and valid at that time , file the rest away for consideration later.


How hard is that?
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not trying to complicate anything i was simply elaborating and responding to rudy's post. It seems that made you angry, im not here to argue over the internet, im here because of my interest in dogs....end of story

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But would you say, that the general mistakes (not all but a nice amount) could be avoided with the general knowledge that alot of mentors provide to those who are really willing to learn.
May be I am norlt making sence I beleive mentors are great asset. I feel that ever would could benefit from having some one sut diwn and teach them. Show them how to work their dog. How to learn the dogs . How to not over work them how to tell when doing something wrong or see when the dogs is making bad moves.

As JTP said though it is up to the person learning to take it to next level and make their own mark on their chosen activities. ..

Mentors are great part of the journey is picking the good honest one that will help best your chances of doing well.
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Old 09-23-2013, 01:13 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Certainly, learning from numerous sources for a broader experience would be ideal. But something to consider would be whether all of those various source are willing to teach you on the same level as you can obtain from an in depth, one on one mentoring relationship.
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thanks for the positive feed-back i was just sharing my thoughts. I really like talking to dogpeople, thats all thats it. But once agian thanks for all the POSITIVE feed back
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Ur o[QUOTE=Just Tap Pits;952842]Im not a huge fan of mentors. I had a coach tell me years ago "never limit yourself to my "greatness"". There's nothing wrong with having a main source of info but you're only going to hear their side. Maybe I just have different views. I wanna learn something from everyone. I feel if you put too much stock in one person you limit yourself to their achievements.[/Q

A mentor does not have to be soul source of information, establishing a relationship with such a person is frs more beneficial to one than not.. If your serious about your choice of dogs, there is NO better way to gain access to traditional private stock than establishing a relationship with someone that is offering you a door of opportunity to gain from everyone theyve learned from, their own mistakes and their own paths...

Any mentor that knows what they are doing knows this, their.purpose is not to tell you how to do things bit to guide you throw a wealth of foundation of knowledge.. from there they sit back and see what you do with that knowledge and how you handle yourself.. theoretically as they will still be involved.

You gain trust and build on it, you have yourself an.opportunity you'd otherwise lack by just relying on a coach and books and.other sources. Sure much can be gained and sure in the long run you can still achieve your.goals however it is fundamentally not the same and its extremely hard to put into words how one can be better off..

I guess single word difference is HEART.. You'll have to think about that to understand and if you get it you'll know what I'm saying.

There are multiple paths to.achieve goals in dogs, not all of them are wrong or illegal however no one is going to expect you to be a spitting image of themselves through your work... They expect you to developeyour own path through the foundation of which has been proven to work long before they were born.
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Lotta times ya got to read between the lines a bit....
I think pretty much olddog has given you ya first lesson...
This day and time there's so much u can learn by reading and soaking it up..books that wernt there r here now..
I dont kno what ur looking to accomplish but there's nothin like hands on.....if ur true to the dogs they;ll be tru to you....
And before you kno it some ol guy will notice and help you...
Alotta guys will tell they did it on there own and some did.....
But alotta dogs may have suffered for it tho.....
Get you some knowledge......when u need an answer to a question
these ol heads will kno by the way u ask it if u rightous or not...

Jtp has a good concept and pickin up bits and pieces from a few may be the way.....but either way u just aint gonna walk up and tell a dude u want a mentor and he says cool lets get busy...

If there is one piece of advise i could give ya it wood be dont go to fast..it takes years to get where some old heads r....
So now;;;;you got dogs? If ya do learn them and learn from them.u mite surprise yaself.....
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