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Old 01-06-2011, 02:16 PM   #16 (permalink)
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I don't care what he looks like .. There is enough Gotti and RE in that ped to classify him as a bully. There are bullies who can pass for APBT's because they LOOK the part. Ultimately you have to judge a dog off his linage. And based on the pedigree there is no denying that he is a bully.
It's funny in the Bully boards my dog is not Bully enough lol So it's fair to say that I can call him an American Bully even though there is a little blood that isn't ? I am just asking because I feel ridiculous when I don't know what to say. I think anything that looks like an APBT but can't work([]) is amstaff. THere is a Nevada dog in the mom's side and some unknown dogs too.
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Old 01-06-2011, 02:29 PM   #17 (permalink)
 
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Doesn't really look bully to me...but Sadies right...gotta go by the ped...
good looking guy regardless of what he is lol...
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Is Gotti & RE exclusive to the bully only, or can the UKC APBT have these lines/ped. also?

Also, not to stray to far off. But, when an AKC AM Staff is shown in a UKC event, is that dog shown as a UKC reg AM Staff going against the APBT, or is the dog now considered an APBT since that is the UKC side of things so to speak??
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Old 01-06-2011, 02:40 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Doesn't really look bully to me...but Sadies right...gotta go by the ped...
good looking guy regardless of what he is lol...
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Old 01-06-2011, 02:43 PM   #20 (permalink)
 
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Gotti is an American Bully line...as is Edge however there are still classic looking Edge dogs who could be shown UKC and do well...
It's really a confusing topic if you disect it lol...
I don't know enough about AKC to help you on that 2nd one though buddy...hopfully one of our other users can...let's see
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If you put Bernie next to another doggy you can see Bullier features I guess.

The fawn dog is adba reg but I think he comes from Amstaff lines.

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It's funny in the Bully boards my dog is not Bully enough lol So it's fair to say that I can call him an American Bully even though there is a little blood that isn't ? I am just asking because I feel ridiculous when I don't know what to say. I think anything that looks like an APBT but can't work([]) is amstaff. THere is a Nevada dog in the mom's side and some unknown dogs too.
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I judge a dog off his pedigree I don't care what they look like in a picture or in person it's on their paper's that determines what they are although I have seen some questionable dogs ... Looking at your dog I see a bully he is just not sloppy and huge not all of them are though that is the common misconception people seem to think all bullies have to be low rider's and have a head the size of the statue of liberty. It's just not the case. There are different classes/styles of bullies. But there are bully lines and then there are game lines. APBT= Stems from Game Dogs ... Bully = Stems from bully lines/dogs. Amstaff's = Stem from show lines/ show dogs. Once you have studied dogs long enough and the many different bloodlines out there you can accurately look at a pedigree and determine what is what


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I like the dogs in your APBT I have seen pictures of Barracuda that is a nice dog, also Macho Buck I have seen some awesome photos. You have some very strong looking beasts in that ped

See when you look at Bernie's the tops all American Bully and the bottom is other stuff.

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This is why I cannot believe that Bully originated from AKC amstaff and ADBA APBT, the blood in the ADBA would clean up the dog. Even if you doubled up on AKC stock you wouldn't get to the exagerated traits alone.
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Thank You David Yes Bogart comes down from some very good dogs. I could be biased though I happen to love cudda, Mayday, Machobuck some of my fav's anyway.

I think they originally did originate from the APBT X STAFF .. But what they started mixing in a few generations down the line to get that exaggerated extreme look who's to say. I believe they are out bred with OE bulldog, Mastiff, Corso you can see it in many of them there is no way you could take an Amstaff to and APBT over and over and produce an XXL Bully without out breeding. The American Bully def has other breeds behind it but I am sure no one responsible for creating these dogs is going to come out and admit it. LOL
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Also, not to stray to far off. But, when an AKC AM Staff is shown in a UKC event, is that dog shown as a UKC reg AM Staff going against the APBT, or is the dog now considered an APBT since that is the UKC side of things so to speak??

Ah, I just quoted myself. Anywho, not to be a pest, but still looking for some info on my own quote.
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If an AKC Amstaff is registered with the UKC it's registered as an APBT the UKC does not acknowledge them as there own breed which is silly because they have been established and bred for the show ring for 80+ years which pisses a lot of AKC amstaff owner's off and many of them will not dual register with the UKC because they will not allow them to register their Amstaff's as Amstaff's. Die hard AKC amstaff owner's want nothing to do with the UKC until the will acknowledge them as their own breed The American Staffordshire Terrier.
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If an AKC Amstaff is registered with the UKC it's registered as an APBT the UKC does not acknowledge them as there own breed which is silly because they have been established and bred for the show ring for 80+ years which pisses a lot of AKC amstaff owner's off and many of them will not dual register with the UKC because they will not allow them to register their Amstaff's as Amstaff's. Die hard AKC amstaff owner's want nothing to do with the UKC until the will acknowledge them as their own breed The American Staffordshire Terrier.
We showed our first dog, an Amstaff until she got her points, but I never really looked into the UKC side of it. Thanks for the info on this, clears things up for me.
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