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Old 11-27-2009, 02:50 AM   #1 (permalink)
 

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Still waters weighted collars

Anyone use one? I always thought weight on the neck wasn't good but these aren't that bad weight wise, not like some dip using a giant chain and master lock so I was thinking on getting one.

Would it make sense to just use a weighted harness? do they make those?
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Anyone use one? I always thought weight on the neck wasn't good
People who use chains leave the chains on the neck causing over stress and often rubbing or embedding. A weighted collar is used for workouts, it is not continuously left on the dog.
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Right, I was aware of that but I was thinking it would make more sense to have the weight more evenly distributed rather than on such a area as the neck even in short periods of time.

So that being said they are OK to use? Who has used one so far and what have they got out of one?
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Eh. I think I've encountered one person who uses them while conditioning for ADBA shows, and he probably has to considering his own condition vs the dogs. I don't really see the point of either but would concede that a weighted harness would probably be better in terms of how the weight is distributed over the dog. Me, I'd prefer to just do drag work if I was looking to add resistance to the workout.
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By the term drag work are you talking about getting a weight pulling harness? I do have plans on getting one in the future but my pup is still growing and I want to start conditioning him in minimal amounts at the moment before I work up to weight pulling in a few months or so.

I was thinking that I could convert a cheap harness into a weighted harness ( not weight pulling harness ) for now since he is still growing.

We have been doing lots of walking and jogging and have worked up to my limit ( I can swim and I can hike but I just cant jog far,..lol! ) and when we get home he has lots of energy left so I feel I can step it up a notch.
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Spring poles and flirt poles are great for conditioning.

For drag weight you would need a pull harness and a drag sled. Which you can make both a spring pole and flirt pole for half the price of the harness.
Know if you plan to compete in Weight pull it is worth it to buy the harness and sled.

You don't need to ad weight to build muscle tone or have a well conditioned dog.


So really it depends on what your purposes if for wanting conditioning.


But IMO a weighted collar or harness ( if they make those) would not be necessary.

As for converting a harness yes you can do that. I did that for my younger dogs and padded the harness and added the length and bar to the back with a hookup for the wagon (or sled).

Also how old is your dog? Young dogs should not be dragging around much weight.
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I purchased a spring pole type toy but he dont want anything to do with it. When I take the items off I use to entice him to use it he plays with them but he dont want to use the freaking thing in its entirety. Its one that hangs from the door way like the Johny Jumpers you put infants and toddlers in to exercise. In fact I pulled a old one out of the closet before I bought the spring pole like toy and I attempted to DIY one out of it but that failed!..lol!

I want good visible definition with the added bonus of him being all out fit. I dont wanna push the dog to is limits but I guess I just wanna see what I can do for my first time around and if luck takes me there I might and thats a might get into competitions.
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IMO weighted collars are very bad for a dog and have no real value when conditioning a dog. They cause undo stress on the neck muscles and, if they help build muscle on the neck, it will be bunchy muscle which is not a good thing for a well conditioned dog.

Going into the conformation side of the topic a dog should have a well balanced head and neck to the rest of the body; not too large and not too small. The head should be at least 2/3 above the topline of the body. IF YOU BUILD BUNCHY MUSCLE ON THE NECK, YOU WILL DETRACT FROM THIS PART OF THE STRUCTURE.

You mentioned your pup still has tons of energy when you get home...well, he is a puppy! Enjoy the energy and realize you will most likely not be able to work it out of them at the puppy stage. If you over exercise your pup you can also cause damage to the growth process your puppy is going through.

BTW...a spring pole attached to an inside door!! How funny!!! My dogs would tear the door jam down!!!!

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Have you tried a flirt pole?

My girls have great definition and they are worked on the spring pole and flirt pole.
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BTW...a spring pole attached to an inside door!! How funny!!! My dogs would tear the door jam down!!!!
And they most likely weigh 3 times more than my pup

I do appreciate the level of energy he has and understand its cause he is a pup he he shows the willingness ( aside from the spring pole ) to do more. Seeing on how we cant run or jog any further than my limits I would like to substitute that. Trust me, tried other activities but he wants to do more vigorous exercises. I also understand not to over work him and I am currently looking for that spot to know when to call it quits for the day. How ever I dont wanna wait till its to late to condition him and have side effects to that either. I feel a slow build at his age now is a good start.

This is all from a dog that just the other week didn't wanna leave the house!

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My girls have great definition and they are worked on the spring pole and flirt pole.
Not just yet but I am considering one. I am getting some deer hide off of a friend to use as bait so lets hope it works out. I might make a spring pole bolted to the garage wall also in the future when he gets heavier and more interested in one. I dont have any trees in my yard
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It can also work well when you use a toy that he already likes. I have had issues getting dogs that know how to use the spring pole on it with hides.

But for both a spring and flirt pole a toy that already interests him may help.
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CPP, if your pup is not old enough to drag weight, then you definitely don't want a weighted collar. Frankly, using the word "conditioning" in the same sentence as "puppy" makes me cringe. If he's under a year, your focus should be more on extensive socialization both in and away from the house, and basic obedience. Don't worry about training his body until later on. Most people "in the know" don't start doing anything strenuous with a dog until they're at least 18 months old.
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Good post Lindsay!

CPP. It doesn't matter what size the dog is (mine aren't over 55 pounds) when you are talking about something hanging from inside your house. A puppy can tug hard enough that it will eventually pull out of the door jam and cause problems structurally.
*I don't have a tree to attach a spring pole to either so we made a free standing spring pole. Check out the latest post on Spring Poles and I will be sure to get a picture up today.
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My advice to you is to use a toy that your pup goes crazy for, and attach that to a flirt pole. I made mine for under 10 dollars, 5 ft of 3/4 in pvc, some rope and their favorite toy. I alternate toys so they don't get used to one thing. Using a toy they already love almost ensures they will love the flirt pole.

Also, when you are starting out, keep the sessions short and leave the pup wanting more at first. You can increase the play times and make sure to praise like crazy when they get into it.

Spring poles are great, but then again I wouldn't put a very young pup on one. Most people that think of springpoles want to let their dogs hang off the ground (not saying that's you, thats just the general idea some people get) but their feet should be able to touch. If your pup has high drive, make sure that you leave it at a level where they don't have to jump for it. As they get older, the stress on joints and bones decreases, and you don't have to worry so much.

Another thing that you can do, (its more costly) is exercise your dog on a slat/carpet mill. You can use this tool as an imprint for further use later on. A couple of minutes per session will wear your pup out, and they can go at their pace. With anything else, praise like crazy and let them get into it at their pace. it's not necessarily something that's only for people with working dogs, or to replace walks, but an excellent outlet for extra energy.
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Good post Lindsay!

CPP. It doesn't matter what size the dog is (mine aren't over 55 pounds) when you are talking about something hanging from inside your house. A puppy can tug hard enough that it will eventually pull out of the door jam and cause problems structurally.
*I don't have a tree to attach a spring pole to either so we made a free standing spring pole. Check out the latest post on Spring Poles and I will be sure to get a picture up today.
Whats odd about you saying this is that when I got one of those Johny Jumpers for the kids I hung on the thing and bounced around and it did nothing!

Im a solid 210 lbs and I wasnt thinking about the future when I bought this item but I doubt a 17lb pup can damage a well built door way. I take your advice into consideration how ever since I understand your just trying to look out for someone. Thanks.

Another thing that is odd to me but the majority is starting to rule is that all the web pages I looked into on this breed and conditioning recommend to start young with a good routine that's not hard on the dog. One site said not to do any weight pulling till about 8- months depending on the dogs physic and one said to start him with something he can tug along behind him in spirts but again you must take lots of consideration into not over doing it. I guess the bottom line is that overdoing it can be easily done. How ever the strain of added weight pulling down on a growing pup does make sense.

I also tried using toys he is familliar with but he just looks at it hanging and says " nope ". It had a bell on it I took off cause I thought it might get annoying. I put it in a drawer in the kitchen and the kids got to it and I found Crash playin with it so I put it back on and again he said " nope ".

Im just gunna have to keep up I guess.

His favorite thing is tugging/pulling and going on walks and short runs so far anyway.
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