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Old 02-02-2010, 05:44 PM   #16 (permalink)
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our next door neib used to strap his 8 week old puppy up to a mill for 3 to 4 hours 2 times a day. I seen it in his back yard when it sounded like the pup was dying. He did this everyday too. thank god spca snagged the poor dog!




um, sandand dirt, rocks, mountains, thich grass, mud, that is all tough territory so to say asfault is any diffrent just makes me laugh! and I am NOT saying he shoul jogg the dog, I never jog my dogs because like I said..I have a bad knee. Anubis walked 4 miles everyday and still does with my mother who she stays with now. I made a statement wolves travel far (even if it is just walking) so why can't he walk the dog 4 miles? I did..my dogs fine.

Yeah, my aunt also owned a dobie pup who she admited on the phone lastnight that she ran him fr two miles on her bike everyday. the dog was fine until it began showing HA and she had him put down. I am NOT saying I am right, i am just curious as how a puppy can begin weghtpulling and not walk for 4 miles. I don't get it. *shrug*









as far as jogging the dog, I can't tell you what you should do with your dog, my dog Anubis is 3 and she is perfectly fine now so if you are concerned I say stop, but if you just wanted opinions and are fine or you talk to your vets and they say it is fine then continue otherwise just walk him or buy a mill and work him that way. you must have been doing this for sometime so he may just be used to it by now. I'm OT an expert I jus state that I walked my pit for 4 miles everyday and she is fine.......see?
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Im not opposed to the long walks. Long walks dont include the dog bringing down their weight on their joints in that constant motion. Also, your neigbor sounds like an idiot who didn't know what they were doing. If it was a slat mill, those are used for longer periods of time because it's less resistance and it helps your dog build more wind, while a carpet mill is harder to propel so it is more resistance and hardly any cardio. So the pup was being pushed in a way that he shouldn't have been. I wasn't referring to you jogging your dog, the statements made about pups not running was made at the OP, sorry if there was a confusion. I think that bully breeds should definitely be taken into consideration because they mature slow, just like large breed dogs (mastiffs, great danes), and while getting them accustomed to a sport or to millwork, or even drag pulling is one thing, full blown, constant stress can be detremental to joint health. JMO
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Putting down a dobie for being HA? that's odd, my Bernie just turned 7 months old and I am sure as hell he won't get more than a mile walk every other day and some daily short flirt pole sessions on our grassy yard. We do some tug of war work but very light since the teeth do not set until10-12 months old and I do not want to ruin his bite. We also play fetch and stop when he is tired and doesn't retrieve it anymore. At 7 months even though he is 68-70 pounds I look at him and I still consider him a baby, he doesn't have the coordination that a mature dog has. Even just the way he runs, he still runs sideways lol. If you want your dog to last and have a healthy life I would wait until his body is ready for that type of exercise. I'd rather wait a few months and be safe, than rush it like most beginners that want their pitbull to be jacked up and hurt the joints or cause long term damage. StaffyDaddy and Lisa know their stuff so listen up =)
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I think it's dog to dog basis really, because some dogs will mature and fill out faster than others, just like people have growth spurts and mature at a different pace then others. Some dogs get winded faster, and one can say, well walk him more and build that up, but if they are getting winded at a younger age they may be like that all their life. Chino was easily winded as a younger pup, but now being closer to the 1 year mark it takes me a lot longer of a walk to wear him out. I don't go to the point where he won't move the rest of the day, but if I don't walk him enough I can expect standing by the window or being restless. You have to make adjustments for your dog. If your dog is heavily panting and you keep the pace up, youre probably overworking the dog. Now it's not to say you shouldn't push the dog but I think the point of this thread is working out with 8 month old pups. The joints would be the main concern of mine, if he can take it, then a few miles won't hurt. But jogging, I would almost wait a couple of months before continuing what you're doing. It's not realistic (like you basically said) to go out of your way and run on grass and sand, but you being athletic, you wouldn't take a 5 or 6 year old kid on that same route that you run on right?
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Walking is fine we are talking about running and jogging. And running in a natural setting vs concrete or asphalt is different ask any runner. Natural terrain absorbs more of the impact on the body, a hard surface does not. Just because you may know a few dogs who did big workouts and are fine now does not mean it is good for them or that they may have problems when they get to old age. Again walking is find, jogging is not good for a young pup over that long of a distance. Shorter distance with walking in between is fine. If you want to run your dog when they are younger then you can go to a vet and have them x-ray to see if the growth plates are fused. If they are jog away if not you should do smaller runs.
I would be shocked if a vet said it is ok to run a young 8 month old puppy that hard on concrete.

I still see many young dogs getting hurt and not even from running, it could have been from just playing with another dog. If you injure those growing bones you can get big problems like legs that will not grow as long as the other because the growth plate was damaged or even amputation if it was a bad enough break. You do not not even need to ask for opinions on this forum, just do a little research online and you will find supporting articles.
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it was one that had green turf on it..the mill and it looked homemade but again..i never knew bout the mill back then so I thought maybe he was trying to build the pup up for fighting so the spca was called and he was found abusing his dogs.


as for Anubis, she was oked by her vet to walk 4 to 5 miles everyday.
I never jogged her, I still don't jog my dogs. My vet has been doing his job for years and is a family friend so I trust his word.

he said, walking your dog 4 miles wont kill them either, as with the brand of food we feed our dogs. And, really...it is up to the owner on what they want to do with their dogs. JMO, but an owner is gonna do what an owners gonna do despite what people say on here. you know? I am sorry if I am being a Head but I am just saying.....

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You just said the key word "Walk" Walking is fine not arguing there, running or jogging is what we are discouraging over long distances. Walking is great!
Poop head or not we can agree to disagree right?
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You just said the key word "Walk" Walking is fine not arguing there, running or jogging is what we are discouraging over long distances. Walking is great!
Poop head or not we can agree to disagree right?

not disagreeing with you lol! I just thought you said walking aswell was bad.
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the running isnt gonna hurt him, if anything it would make him better behaved because hes getting rid of all the energy apbts have, just make sure u hydrate him
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Running it on concrete will hurt the pup's joints.
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This thread is funny. Why ppl want to be hard headed. A puppy should be let to grow and mature. Exercise is fine but it should be exercises that are natural to the puppy. The pup runs on his own when playing, sure he does, but not for 4 miles. Walking, I wouldn't do 4 miles with a puppy. What for? What is the point? It shouldn't matter what the puppy looks like at that age, he is a puppy (off course keeping in mind overweight or malnutrition), if that is the case then feed less or more whatever applies.
Playing fetch, tug of war, flirt pole, running around the yard, all of that and similar things are ok.
Let the puppy grow and develop, when he hits his 12 month mark then you can start conditioning training or exercises.
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well today my dog turns 9 months. So Since the time i first posted this thread. I stopped taking my dog on my daily jogs... i run him once every 3 days for about 2 miles. Every time i run him he is so exited to do it, that it makes me think that i should run him more often. Ive been waiting for the 11/12 months mark. for the last month he only gained 1 pound. he is currently at 9 months 69.4lbs. Its weird because his bully dad is 138 and bully mom is 95 and my boy Jet was the second heaviest pup in the litter of 11. But currently it seems that he wont get over 85lbs if he stays the little weight that he is. So does that give me more reason to run him harder since hes been at the same weight for over a month?
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well today my dog turns 9 months. So Since the time i first posted this thread. I stopped taking my dog on my daily jogs... i run him once every 3 days for about 2 miles. Every time i run him he is so exited to do it, that it makes me think that i should run him more often. Ive been waiting for the 11/12 months mark. for the last month he only gained 1 pound. he is currently at 9 months 69.4lbs. Its weird because his bully dad is 138 and bully mom is 95 and my boy Jet was the second heaviest pup in the litter of 11. But currently it seems that he wont get over 85lbs if he stays the little weight that he is. So does that give me more reason to run him harder since hes been at the same weight for over a month?
I am not trying to be a jerk but it seems that you do not read what people told you on this thread. Your dog can be 50pounds or a 100 pounds, the bottom line is that you have a PUPPY. Therefore, you should reallize that his joints, muscles, skeleton, organs are still developing. I am not sure if you want to have a big ass ripped dog but it takes time to see what his genetics dictate. Let your puppy grow, forced exercise on a pup that young is bad news. Let him develop correctly and then you will be able to condition him at the right time. You are only hurting his chances of having healthy joints when he gets older. My puppy's parents weren't big at all and he was emaciated and he was the runt. He is currently 73 pounds and he turned 8 months on the 1st. I am just trying to show you that genetics mold the dog not whatever supplements or hard work you put a puppy through. Bernie gets a walk a day for about a mile or so and we do lots of fetching and tug of war. He is a little chubby but I don't care because he is a pup, I don't care if he is not big as the dogs I see online or dogs I see outside. Bully breeds have a great disposition to be muscular so he stands a good chance at having some kind of athletic psyque however, I do not have any unrealistic expectations for the pup. As long as the boy is healthy and sound that is all that matters. At thsis age instead on focusing how ripped he is or how hard he wants to be worked focus on obedience and socializing him to be an ambassador for the breed.
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Wolves in the wild are not running at a set speed for miles at a time on asphalt. walking is different running or jogging at a set pace for miles at a time are hard on the joints. When wild animals hunt they rely on ambush and short bursts of speed to hunt, they do not chase deer over 3-4 miles at a set speed at 8 months old.

super true, i keep telling people that. even for humans, an 6-12 mile jog is unnatural.

dogs/wolves dont migrate ( and if/when they do it's at a steady pace) they are not gazelles or bison.
In the wild they dont run for long distances. Short burst to either catch food or not become it.

I use to jog long distances and it was killer on my joints. Used to bodybuild as well. Now Im all about explosive movement. Short bursts, explosive strength movements, lng steady paced walks. Thats what my body responds best to. Im done with the long runs, im tired of the boring workouts in front of a mirror in the gym.

every creatures training should be similar to the exercise they have been getting for tens of thosands of years and longer, IMO. I dont see wolves running long distances, nor have dgs ever in the last 10,000 years they have accompanied man. I would ease of on the long jogs ( 4 miles is long for a pup ).

and the best thing about our breed might also be a a bda thing in that sense. Your pup will stick by you till the finish line, till the wheels fall of, so to speak. he will hurt himself to stay by your side, he loves you to death, and I see you love him also. love him with a spring pole or some short bursts, it'll be good for you too!

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super true, i keep telling people that. even for humans, an 6-12 mile jog is unnatural.

dogs/wolves dont migrate ( and if/when they do it's at a steady pace) they are not gazelles or bison.
In the wild they dont run for long distances. Short burst to either catch food or not become it.

I use to jog long distances and it was killer on my joints. Used to bodybuild as well. Now Im all about explosive movement. Short bursts, explosive strength movements, lng steady paced walks. Thats what my body responds best to. Im done with the long runs, im tired of the boring workouts in front of a mirror in the gym.

every creatures training should be similar to the exercise they have been getting for tens of thosands of years and longer, IMO. I dont see wolves running long distances, nor have dgs ever in the last 10,000 years they have accompanied man. I would ease of on the long jogs ( 4 miles is long for a pup ).

and the best thing about our breed might also be a a bda thing in that sense. Your pup will stick by you till the finish line, till the wheels fall of, so to speak. he will hurt himself to stay by your side, he loves you to death, and I see you love him also. love him with a spring pole or some short bursts, it'll be good for you too!

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lol, mirror workouts are boring. haha. Yeah ill figure something out to work the explosiveness... He loves running though, hes not as game as most pits. he never chases anything, he loves riding with me on my truck and sitten around with a bucha friends more than anything... But his pain tolerance and undying spirit is definitely from a pit.
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