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Old 01-04-2011, 12:23 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Question Conditioning and Feeding

So I have a question on conditioning and feeding.

About how long before or after a meal should I wait to do some roadwork (jogging, skateboarding) with my boy Whitman? He's 9 months old right now. We usually do just about 1-2 miles right now at his own pace since he's only 9 months, but his pace is actually pretty quick. He's developing into quite the runner haha. Would it be ok to do these 2 miles or so before breakfast on an empty stomach?

I do a lot of running and train almost everyday and when I do morning cardio, I do it on an empty stomach to burn fat and use that as fuel and I never eat less than 2 hours before training. I know that its probably different for a dog and my boy isn't an athlete like I am, that's why I'm curious

Any advice will help, I don't want to do anything to mess him up, healthwise. I know there's a lot of people on the board who have athlete dogs, so incite would help

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My staffy is 9mos also. For his workouts I keep the initial run/walk to 20-25minutes max. Don't want to gas him out on a warm up. I usually try to time his workout in pace with his evening feed because it is convent to me. His morning feed is 12hr almost exactly apart from evening feed. I give enough time for panting, massage and calm state before allowing onyx to feed. This timetable will differ from onyx to whitmans. 30min minimum is a safe start. Watch his breathing and body language to be certain he is cool

Know your dogs recovery and tolerances to tune feeding if you are like me. Morning feed I attempt to get it in him asap so his evening work is in tune and timed with harmonics his body is going experiencing
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Old 01-04-2011, 02:20 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Alot of people will disagree with me but I have not had any troubles with feeding Vendetta then heading out and doing her morning game of fetch. Now this is not a lazy game at all it is 30minutes if theweather is nice I do it longer of her running up and down hill, over jumps and what ever else I feel like throwing in there. In the summer I wait 30 minutes or so before I take her to the lake for a morning swim. In the evening when I get home I will play with her and then she eats if I don't do anything with her in the evening I don't feed her.



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I do enjoy everyones timetables for work/feed perspectives. Keeps your eyes open for learning
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Everyone has their own opinion on conditioning, but if youíre condition your dog for a show you should try and feed him 30 minutes to an hour after itís workout. The reason you give the dog awhile to recover, just before the meal, is to allow the dog the time to burn fat after the workout. A dog can actually burn more fat after the workout than during it, because by the time the workout is completed the glycogen levels in his muscles are all but used-up. The dogs body will want to replenish its lost glycogen supply, the dogís body will have no other choice but to burn it own fat to replace it. With a 9 months old pup that's not really what you want to do. Right or wrong Iíve always been under the impression that feeding before exercising a dog will increase its chance of Bloat or GDV.
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I've always heard that you increase your dog's chance of bloat feeding 30 mins before or after exercise. So that's what I've stuck by.
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Thanks for the tips everyone, it gives me an idea on how to spread things out. I'll probably pay more attention at how he performs depending on when he eats, either before or after a workout and then go from there.
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I wouldnt feed before the work out. I would also wait at least 30 mins or longer until the dog is done panting. After the feed I crate rest for at least 30 mins as well. I wouldn';t want to loose my dog to bloating.
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How is bloat/bloating different for dogs than humans? I mean, I know when someone feels bloated, its never a pleasant feeling. Can it be hurtful towards dogs? If so, how would I avoid it?
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How is bloat/bloating different for dogs than humans? I mean, I know when someone feels bloated, its never a pleasant feeling. Can it be hurtful towards dogs? If so, how would I avoid it?
what we are talking about is the stomach flipping inside the dog. THis pretty much kills instantly or very quickly. Basically the stomach is soo full it gets heavy if the dog moves around too much it flips and gets tangled inside.
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I give mine 20 mins after they stop panting- so that's about 30-45 mins after work out. I try not to go further than that.
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I feel safe with waiting for panting to stop plus 30min. Elvisfink post is a very good explanation. David explanation on bloat is something to keep in mind also
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Everyone has their own opinion on conditioning, but if you’re condition your dog for a show you should try and feed him 30 minutes to an hour after it’s workout. The reason you give the dog awhile to recover, just before the meal, is to allow the dog the time to burn fat after the workout.
I personally never fed then worked out. I did it the other way around, work out then feed 45-hour later.

If you do feed before stressfull work, such as the morning of a weight pull after weighing the dog in, I always fed their food soft. I would fill the bowl with water and let the food soak it up and soften the kibble.
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Here's some good reading on bloat: Bloat in Dogs .

No websites report that APBTs are at high risk, but the main point is that bloat affects deep-chested dogs. APBTS and their like are deep-chested dogs, so should be included.

I had a friend who's dog died of bloat. The only symptom, that she didn't realize was a sign until after the dog had died, was that he was restless. He kept laying down and getting up to lay down again to get up, etcetc. She didn't think anything of it and put him in his crate to run an errand. She came home HALF AN HOUR later and the dog was dead.
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If you notice most of the posters all agree not to feed prior to a workout. Feed no sooner than 30 minutes after a workout. After a feed post workout be sure to rest for safety and digestion reasons.

Granted all owners and trainers train differently. My statement above is only a observation. In the end you will have to put in place what is most efficient to YOU!
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