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Old 07-17-2012, 06:52 PM   #1 (permalink)
 

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My first pit pup and he's fat lol

Hello all I just joined the site all of 5 minutes ago and have questions about conditioning.

Sorry for the book but I figured you guys would need data lol it just frustrates me that he's so big I know genetics are are part of it but he's rescue I have no idea what his are. My friend has a rescue red and that dog is lean straight muscle with huge legs and she doesn't do anything with him I wonder what he'd look like if she actually worked him out, poor dog is losing his mind to tail chasing.

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My pup Sam (Samael) is signed up for advanced obedience training and the big rule is that he's always in the crate whenever I cant keep my full attention on him. I'm in school with a job so he's locked up most of the day he's also in the crate at night for bed. My lab/bulldog (mostly lab) Zeke is in the same training however he has more energy and seems to do well in this, he's not pitbull buff but he's got good muscle tone (built like a runner) and has way more than Sam even though he was neutered too young (4months yikes! sorry Zeke you were my first boy and everyone even the vet told me to neuter him asap lol) Sam was neutered around 8 months.

Zeke feels very strong and I see some definition especially in his legs while Sam is just squishy I mean really he's SQUISHY even when his standing I see no strength in those muscles, my lab's legs is like poking a wall while I feel like poking Sam should make him giggle lol

I let them both out around the same times except separately, they walk/run no less than 30 minutes a day and get out in the yard to play (although it's so freaking hot they take 2 steps out then run back inside lol), Sam plays tug/fetch until he drops but he just seems fat I actually found him when I believe he was about 6-7 months old because the las of his adult teeth were just coming in this was back in April this year so I'm guessing he's about 10 months now.

He used to be on the Nutro Ultra diet but now my dogs are switched to raw food

This is what I usually do with him:

Let out for "relief" first thing, drives me nuts all the poop breaks they need to take lol. And a little leg stretching and play

Mental training (the obedience stuff) thats usually about 15- 20 minutes or until I'm out if hot dogs lol

Tug/fetch for another 10-15 minutes

We go for a run either outside or he's put on the treadmill this is about 15 mins for Sam 30 for Zeke including cool down, or we bike. And our street is nothing but hills

Then he's returned to the crate to rest then he's fed and the process is repeated when I come home from work.

Also with his raw food I mix it with things like eggs n flaxeed because straight meat gave them all the poops even after months to adjust, however Sam is missing patches in his fur and he's somewhat dull. He and Zeke are in the crate the same amount of time Zeke has no patches and has the shiniest black coat you've ever seen.

I feel like I'm abusing the poor pup some how, he's not my 1st dog just my first pit, I think he's amstaff? kinda stocky and he's blue.

Question: basically what else can I do for him that doesn't compromise his training? I live in ohio don't know of any rivers or lakes that isn't over an hour a way I have no pool, just would like some more tips on conditioning my pup that has some details, I've read other posts but it's all run/play/swim/flirt pole, I'm broke so whatever is cheap lol and he's too young anyways for weights right? and that's to build when I want to tone him down. Most posts say WHAT to do but not HOW I should do it.
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Old 07-17-2012, 07:06 PM   #2 (permalink)
 
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If he's getting the runs on raw you need to add more bone. Adding fish oil may help with his coat. I follow the Prey Model Raw diet for my blue boy and his skin issues are gone. How to Get Started | Prey Model Raw

Flirt pole will cost you all of $5 plus a toy he loves. Go to the hardware store and buy a PVC pipe about 5ft long and just wide enough to slide a length of nylon rope down. Tie the rope around the PVC. Then tie the toy to the end of the rope. BAM! Flirt pole. I was using a pig ear before I transitioned him to PMR. Now I use a floppy stuffed elephant with squeakers in the feet. He goes nuts for it.
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You can make a flirt pole out of a broom end, leash and whatever toy you have Spring poles need the spring, clips and rope so that can be 15-20 bucks. Flirt poles are cheap and easy though. I have never bough anything for mine.

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Old 07-17-2012, 07:37 PM   #4 (permalink)
 

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I figured I could just make a flirt pole I think I was gettin flirt and spring mixed up lol but I'll look into making one.

As far as the bones go I've had bad luck with bones so far lol my Rottweiler without fail will puke every bone she eats and it's usually around 2 am to tick me off I'm certain lol and my lab I'm guessing it's because he'll break off huge chunks and eat them I'm unsure but whenever he gets bones he gets blocked up and poops a massacre of bloody bones I actually woke up to him screaming one night trying to poop it out. Sam has yet to have issues but 2 outta 3 dogs? I'm officially paranoid of bones now lol
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What kind of bones are you feeding?
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Old 07-17-2012, 08:10 PM   #6 (permalink)
 

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What kind of bones are you feeding?
Uh uncooked leftover beef bones from the butcher, knuckle bones and tail bone I believe
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Old 07-17-2012, 09:12 PM   #7 (permalink)
 
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You have to be careful with the bones given to be "eaten". loadbearing bones on herbavores *sp* is a no go. I meant chicken bones. Uncooked chicken bones will help solidify the poo. Read up on Prey Model Raw. If you are going to feed raw you should def do A LOT of reading. I did. I still am actually.
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Old 07-17-2012, 10:37 PM   #8 (permalink)
 

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Oh yeah I've done tons of reading as well, just like You and I'm still learning a lot it's hard getting all the facts straight since there are so many different variations to the diet, some say straight meat others say fruits and veggies mixed in, others say ground bones then full meaty bones... I tried to get other types of bone for the dogs but the butcher I go to will only give me knuckles the rest of the bone is grounded into the dog food.

I will say that with the runny poop after I added eggs, flaxseed and some kale it got more solid. And when I don't add that instead of playing in the yard the dogs run around eating grass or bushes
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Old 07-18-2012, 01:56 AM   #9 (permalink)
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eggs can mess with the skin, I believe, make it dry. have you thought about pumpkin puree? that helps regulate the bacteria in their belly's. My boy loves the Indestructible Dog Toy - Big Dog Toys - Tough Dog Toys - Dog Ball - Pit Bull Toys - Unbreakoball the big one, he herds that all over the yard for hours if I let him. VERY cute pups BTW, welcome!
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Beastley plays with the almost indestructable ball. He uses it as a soccer ball. You can fill it with water to make it more weighty. Also I bought a $5.00 bubble machine. It runs on batteries. I bought baby safe shampoo and mix with water so it's safe. I set it outside and he goes nuts chasing the bubbles. I place it in the yard when I'm doing yard work and it keeps him busy. Also I have an old tire swing and he loves knocking it around. All of these are cheap and provides tons of exercise for my boy. Get mental stimulation toys also (more expensive). Fill it with his kibble and in order for him to get his dinner he has to work with it.
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Old 07-18-2012, 02:52 PM   #11 (permalink)
 

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Eggs really mess with the skin? I first started giving it to my Rottweiler she had dandruff outta this world and would shed so much mom thought the giant fur balls were rats at first glance lol I started giving her eggs, she hates the shells so I give them to Zeke but her shedding stopped and she no longer had a layer of white dust on her back.

I have thought of pumpkin, it comes in a can right? I've looked in my grocery store and can't seem to find anything pumpkin related unless it's in sweetened flavored up pie form, unless that's what you mean and it's ok?.

I've looked at the unbreakoball and the almost indestructible ball but those are pretty expensive I'm hesitant to buy such things online because Sam doesn't seem to have the drive for toys unless he's fighting Zeke over them, he likes his tennis ball and he busted the squeaker in Zeke's favorite squeaky ball much to Zeke's disappointment lol but he doesn't really go nuts for anything. Even with those toys he plays toss a couple times then gets bored very quickly and just sniffs around the yard eating bushes. The way I buy toys is I take them to the store and toss it around a bit, if they seem interested I'll buy it, way too many times have I bought toys the dogs just sniffed and walked away from lol

The only game he truly seems to get into is tug-o-war with his bite work tugs, he never lets go but thats only if I hold him up in the air if I keep it level ground with him he doesn't pull he just fiddles with it and eventually lets it go looking very confused lol

I'll buy bubbles because I remember my little sister blowing them at him and he loved it I also might go with making flirt poll but I was advised against rope toys they're too hard and teaches them to bite improperly.

I had one mental toy he had to work food out of but he still didn't seem too interested plus now they're on raw I'm pretty sure that won't come out as easily lol
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Ames pointed me towards the Chuck It balls. they are tennis ball sized but much more durable. i got em at wal mart too, so convenient. the dura chew nylabones are wonderful, Kongs of course too. i want to get that unbreakoball too but the money worries me lol. i like the bubble idea, ill have to try it too. but i like to order from jefferspet.com if u want kongs, nylabones, bully sticks, rope tugs, i havent seen better prices than them, that is if ur broke like me lol
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Old 07-18-2012, 04:14 PM   #13 (permalink)
 

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I'm in vet school I'm extremely broke I cringe at the thought of spending $10 so whatever is cheap I'll take it lol

Sam does have kongs I some times stuff them with his food and freeze it nice summer meatcicle sp? Lol
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Pumpkin in a can NOT for pies, 100% pumpkin only. It's right on the same shelf usually as the pumpkin for pies. From wht I have read eggs are not the best For the skin but if it works for your pup then go for it!

I am with Odin the chuck it balls so Rock.

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Old 07-18-2012, 05:30 PM   #15 (permalink)
 

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Ok that's what l thought you meant the pumpkin in a can I'm not entirely sure why I can't find it but I'm going the grocery store today so I'll be sure to look at it

I usually mix my food all in one big batch but just to see if the eggs could be messing Sam up ill keep it out and only put it in Zeke and Chaka's food it's how I used to do it and I only gave eggs 2-3 times a week and when I mixed all the food together I just put in 3 eggs and mixed it around the best that I could


Time to get this fat pup in shape

Oh I hear a lot about hand walking, is that when you're making the dog do a handstand?
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