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Old 08-30-2008, 03:18 PM   #31 (permalink)
 
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why not use a wieghted harness instead of a collar and avoid the poss neck problems. plus it would be more balanced on the dog
We are talking about pit bulls here arent we?
These dogs should be the picture of rough rugged rustic strength.
The picture of what other molossers should want to be built like.
I am not saying to treat your dog badly..but rather not to baby the dogs.
If you can get weighted collars or vests than thats fine however if your pit bull gets injured from a short chain around its neck for short periods of physical training then the dog is not breeding quality.
If you are looking to preserve the incredible animal that is the real APBT a chain on the neck should never be a problem.
But I am old school...maybe I am just too old.
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These are animals, not machines. And even machines will break down if you treat them roughly time and again.
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We are talking about pit bulls here arent we?
These dogs should be the picture of rough rugged rustic strength.
The picture of what other molossers should want to be built like.
I am not saying to treat your dog badly..but rather not to baby the dogs.
If you can get weighted collars or vests than thats fine however if your pit bull gets injured from a short chain around its neck for short periods of physical training then the dog is not breeding quality.
If you are looking to preserve the incredible animal that is the real APBT a chain on the neck should never be a problem.
But I am old school...maybe I am just too old.
I hear you on that one.
but many wont, in response to bahamutt, sure machines and animals will break down, but I think the point being made by sampson is that weight on neck for a short period should not suffice to cause any real harm to a REAL pitdog. People are going to turn this breed into a bunch of labradors in no time, no offense lab people.
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Well, whatever. Even REAL pitdog people have the sense to know when the potential harm of something outweighs the good. If you're okay with a weighted collar, why not let a 20-lb child ride your dog like a horse for the duration of your walk? After all, that's just a paltry amount of weight, and shouldn't hurt a REAL pitdog. If you do it everyday, you might even see some benefit to the dog's workout, since we all know genetics and hard work mean squat when you can load the dog up with weight instead. Or you could always put weighted hobbles on it. Screw what they say about getting a well-fitting weight pull harness. Tie the weight to that sucker's legs. That'll get him buff! Better yet, tie it to his testicles. That'll make him ballsy for sure!

Yes, I'm being flip. The whole argument is asinine to me. If putting weights on your dog's spinal column is that important to you, and you'll keep the argument going until you find someone that agrees with you, be my guest. I really don't care. Feed him grapes everyday, too. (Sorry Sampson, but I had to go there.) What doesn't kill them makes them stronger, right? A weaker dog can die from that stuff, but these are PITDOGS, and you can shoot them if you want to. They'll shake it off. Hell, my dog got bit by a venomous snake Friday, and she breezed through her recovery. Maybe I should go catch a more toxic kind and put her through it again, because a REAL pitdog should be able to take it. I'll do the weight thing, too, just to prove how dope she is. Then when she's 10 years old and the gradual stress of all the unnecessary BS I put her through catches up with her, I can still smile to myself, because I proved what a REAL pitdog she is. And without ever stepping foot in a pit! How 'bout that?

Crap. Guess that trip to the lake is out, too. Don't want to make a Labrador out of her. Two of my dogs already like retrieving and swimming, so I guess they're screwed.
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Well, whatever. Even REAL pitdog people have the sense to know when the potential harm of something outweighs the good. If you're okay with a weighted collar, why not let a 20-lb child ride your dog like a horse for the duration of your walk? After all, that's just a paltry amount of weight, and shouldn't hurt a REAL pitdog. If you do it everyday, you might even see some benefit to the dog's workout, since we all know genetics and hard work mean squat when you can load the dog up with weight instead. Or you could always put weighted hobbles on it. Screw what they say about getting a well-fitting weight pull harness. Tie the weight to that sucker's legs. That'll get him buff! Better yet, tie it to his testicles. That'll make him ballsy for sure!

Yes, I'm being flip. The whole argument is asinine to me. If putting weights on your dog's spinal column is that important to you, and you'll keep the argument going until you find someone that agrees with you, be my guest. I really don't care. Feed him grapes everyday, too. (Sorry Sampson, but I had to go there.) What doesn't kill them makes them stronger, right? A weaker dog can die from that stuff, but these are PITDOGS, and you can shoot them if you want to. They'll shake it off. Hell, my dog got bit by a venomous snake Friday, and she breezed through her recovery. Maybe I should go catch a more toxic kind and put her through it again, because a REAL pitdog should be able to take it. I'll do the weight thing, too, just to prove how dope she is. Then when she's 10 years old and the gradual stress of all the unnecessary BS I put her through catches up with her, I can still smile to myself, because I proved what a REAL pitdog she is. And without ever stepping foot in a pit! How 'bout that?

Crap. Guess that trip to the lake is out, too. Don't want to make a Labrador out of her. Two of my dogs already like retrieving and swimming, so I guess they're screwed.
Want some cheese wit that?
If you are worried then you do your thing.
My dogs are expected to be rough DOGs. Not pansies. If you don't do the same things I do...so what...thats your business. Dog men have been keeping dogs on cow chains for years. Don't you think there would have been ill effects from dragging a chain around? Putting a short chain around a dogs neck with a padlock for short periods will have No ill effects. I have been doing it for years, all the hunters I know have done it for years, and most pit men have kept dogs on chains for generations.

So get snippy if you feel the need to.
I mean just because I have 17 years with pit dogs means nothing right!?!
Just because I have been a Vets assistant for more than ten years means nothing as well...right.
Oh my gosh a person has a chain on their pit....better cal the cops!
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Old 09-02-2008, 02:43 PM   #37 (permalink)
 
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by the way the pit in my signature is 10 going on 11.
he wore chains on our 2 mile runs, he works a flirt pole like a beast, and he has caught a big boar for me as well...he is a little chubby healthy, grape eating family member that is chilling with no ill effects of rustic living.
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I just want to know what the purpose of a chain weight serves to a dog pit or not ? And does it drag the neck down and cause straining overtime? Does it cause any skin irritation? Or hair loss? I am not bashing anyone for what they do with their dogs just trying to understand the logic behind it? What is the benefit to the dog? Over your mill, weight pulling, or flirt pole, swimming ect... seems like these methods are more commonly used to condition the dog. I have seen a few of these chain's and padlocks around bullies but I never really understood the purpose of it.

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Or you could always put weighted hobbles on it. Screw what they say about getting a well-fitting weight pull harness. Tie the weight to that sucker's legs. That'll get him buff! Better yet, tie it to his testicles. That'll make him ballsy for sure!
Feed him grapes everyday, too. (Sorry Sampson, but I had to go there.) What doesn't kill them makes them stronger, right? A weaker dog can die from that stuff, but these are PITDOGS, and you can shoot them if you want to. They'll shake it off. Hell, my dog got bit by a venomous snake Friday, and she breezed through her recovery. Maybe I should go catch a more toxic kind and put her through it again, because a REAL pitdog should be able to take it. I'll do the weight thing, too, just to prove how dope she is. Then when she's 10 years old and the gradual stress of all the unnecessary BS I put her through catches up with her, I can still smile to myself, because I proved what a REAL pitdog she is. And without ever stepping foot in a pit! How 'bout that?

Crap. Guess that trip to the lake is out, too. Don't want to make a Labrador out of her. Two of my dogs already like retrieving and swimming, so I guess they're screwed.
Thats the spirit bahamutt! lol, now were talkin real business, none of that sissy stuff! LOL

Off topic, but this reminds me of a while back I spent a few weeks down south..pretty deep... and I got called a yankee because I "cared about what I ate and sh*t" ....hahaha, this came after I commented that anyone of intelligence would steer clear of hot dogs due to the amount of crap LISTED on the package.

Anyway, just think it should be kept in mind that, while surely health effects of everything should be taken into consideration with our dogs, I think people really go a bit overboard sometimes.... myself included (I feed almost entirely raw with veggies and all, lol), but lets not let the yuppies and "humaniacs" destroy the breed and beat all of the pitbull out of it. They are tuff dogs and could easily handle most any type of physical abuse one could dream up, not that they should, but they could and they should stay that way.

...by the way I don't even use a weight collar.

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I just want to know what the purpose of a chain weight serves to a dog pit or not ? And does it drag the neck down and cause straining overtime? Does it cause any skin irritation? Or hair loss? I am not bashing anyone for what they do with their dogs just trying to understand the logic behind it? What is the benefit to the dog? Over your mill, weight pulling, or flirt pole, swimming ect... seems like these methods are more commonly used to condition the dog. I have seen a few of these chain's and padlocks around bullies but I never really understood the purpose of it.
it makes them look tuff! comon sadie you know that!
lol,
no surely there are other reasons, the most obvious that would come to mind is security, you know a good chain will never break, then there is the weight which may or may be supported by everyone, but undeniably adds some sort of muscle which is important to different people for different reasons.

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I don't think it matter's what type of owner is behind the dog the apbt was bred to be strong and can endure a whole lot .. those things don't just go away because a yuppie own's it of course not everyone can handle these dogs. Some people choose to work their dogs to the best of the dogs ability while other's may be looking for a campanion. Personally I prefer the flirt pole and treadmill. I don't feel comfortable putting a chain around my dogs neck it does not seem to add any benifit that you can't get from swimming, flirt pole, the mill, and weight pull. I was trying to understand the logic behind it ... And also see if their were any risks associated with the use of it because it seems like the heavy weight on the neck would cause problems after using it for awhile.

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I have been using both the spring pole and the flirt pole with Jaymo for a week now. the second he looks bored with the spring pole, I walk him to an open area in our complex and play with the flirt pole with him until he can't take it any more. When I get him back home, he collapses on the floor with this "Daddy, I wish I could keep playing with you, but I just have nothing left"!!!!!

I was on my way to my 3rd back surgery until I started using this stuff. He just won't walk calmly. I guess I'll never make it as a dog trainer, but I can tire one out with the advice from you guys!!! THANK YOU [email protected]!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Answer me this question, what does putting weight on a dogs neck going to help?

If you want to condition your dog do it the right way don't break it down with weight on its body

Some people swear by this, but in the long run does it really help?
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