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weight collar?
Couldn't find a thread on this topic, so does anyone use weighted collars in conditioning?
I was always a bit wary of them due to the potential for injury, but recently have noticed many people using them when running/walking their dogs simply to build neck tone and strength for show or just to get their pit in better shape. Anyone have opinions? |
Personally I don't like them. It seems like it would pull at the neck and promote a slouched posture. I find a spring pole works just as well and its more fun for the dog and a better overall excersize.
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I don't like them either, because everything I've read says they just put pressure on the spine. I'd rather put my dogs in a pull harness and have them drag a tire or a drag sled. In reality, a dog is going to be limited by their genetics. Some dogs, like my boy Priest, stay in great shape with minimal work. Others respond well to exercise, but I think actually putting weight on their bodies would just serve to break them down. Lots of serious conditioners don't use them; they get the max benefit out of roadwork, springpole, dragwork, flirtpole, etc.
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I read a bunch about this too and every SINGLE article condemned it. Doesn't sound like a good idea. Kind of unnatural right? It's probably just like people... the movements or exercises that feel most natural tend to be the most effective for gaining strength and agility..... generally, the better conditioning, the more developed the athlete is
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Ive come across much condemning of the weight collars as well, but usually it was the form of condemning the use of weight on the neck as a substitute for any type of work or exercise, such as tying your dog up with weight on its neck all day. However some common sense leads me to think that adding 2-3 pounds to a grown dogs neck/shoulder area for ten minutes while on the mill or walking would certainly build some form of defining muscles... or else why would it have been a common practice since the early migrant dogs from the england and ireland and still practiced by many show people? I guess it comes down to weather or not it actually causes harm, and surely extended periods spent weighted would, however I am guessing (not positive) that short workouts with weighted neck, in conjunction with weight pull and spring pole work, would really cause no harm.
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I heard alot of people using it, however I have never done so myslef so I couldnt tell you about results. The only area I might ever try it is if I was teaching a dog to pull and it constantly wanted to raise its head to high but Im just guessing here.
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What muscle could a collar possible work out. High on the neck so it didn't fall down would restrict air, decently loose would fall to far down on the neck to benefit from it from it. Do as you please but even on a treadmill, or during walking I can see the no benefit from it personally but to each his own. Maybe it could work for a bully style dog where muscle mass is something to be proud of. But it is your dogs not mine. I still feel the springpole properly setup and a flirtpole one day a week would surpass a everday workout with a weighted collar. 15 minute work on a flirtpole is better than a 60 minute walk a night at a decent pace. If I had only one piece of equipment to own it would be a flirtpole and I could condition against the best ADBA champs with all the equipment and still kick their butt.
A flirt pole devolps real life movement of a working dog. It keeps the mind sharp and quick. A flirtpole is the equipment to own and knowing how to properly use a flirt pole is the way to go, IMO. |
If your main concern is actual harm, I have heard that that weighted collars can put pressure on the spine, which is never a good thing. There's got to be a reason why a lot of the really serious conditioners don't use them.
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I hate to break it to you, but I think you are over generalizing quite a bit with your assumptions in saying "maybe it will work in a bully dog where muscle mass is something to be proud of", many people are proud of their strong muscle bound dog regardless of its pedigree, are you telling me you dont think an old game dog fully fitted and toned with muscle mass is a beautiful thing? Keep in mind that weight collars have been used far before the razors edge concoctions were anywhere to be found. Quote:
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Secondly muscle mass is not something even a weight pull dog needs necessarily, you bring a muscled dog and I will bring my lean athlete down and I will put my 35lb female up against anything you got male or female up to 70lbs (double the weight of my dog) and I bet my flirtpole work will out pull your dog. It is not just about the dog itself, but the man/ woman behind the dog that makes the dog. Also for newbies take everything you hear with a grain a salt, take what read and walk away with 25% because the other 75% is crap, and only believe 50% of what you see in these dogs and you will be fine. All forums should say 12 people here are lieing about their dogs. I don't know what state you are in, but give me a class and age group and I will find a dog to condition against you also. Let the conformation ring do the talking. Next show I will be at is Sept. Land of OZ ADBA show. |
The springpole in the tree is fine, same place I have mine, I use the quick connects in the tree to remove it when not in use. Makes the dogs want it more when they see you removing it away, makes them work it harder next time. Keep it fun for them, give them enough where they are getting really excited after 10 - 15 minutes, then take it away. You will get a more willing athlete. Keep it where their front paws are barely touching or slightly above the ground (1/4 of a inch) when not tugging on it. Never put it up so high they can't touch the ground, or make it adjustable heights because it is awesome watching them jump and take a hold.
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Cow chains and a padlock has always done the trick for my old dogs.
I only kept it on for long walks...like 2 miles or more. After that we take it off and flirt pole, tug rope, and or treadmill or good ole fashion run. |
The added weight...say 5 pounds on a 50 pound dog or 10% would add to the overall weight of the dog during some activity. I think they use the neck out of ease of placement but you could add weight to some saddle bags just the same. Personally, I don't think many of our dogs benefit all that much from dead weight as they do from a vigorous activity. On an adult dog, I don't think a 5# collar (no more than 10% of the dogs total weight) would be dangerous for shorter periods of time like walks. Definitely a no-no for pups...I hate seeing pups with chain/padlock combinations used as a "collar". Even on adult dogs...just get a good collar like Stillwater Kennels...only around $8.00.
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