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APASA 08-01-2013 01:30 PM

Conditioning; Tips Appreciated. (image heavy)
 
So, aside from giving the dogs a workout on occasion for the fun of it, or having them tag along on a 4-wheeler ride or hog hunt, I've never really decided I was going to condition one of my dogs, and then get out on a daily basis and work towards that goal. Well.. now I have. I really do not know "how" to do it in terms of a "by the book" method.

Thus far, I haven't had a set routine, or written out a schedule. I've just taken her out everyday and in some form or another got her going until her breathing and energy level/reaction time have let me know she needs to stop. Some days one "workout" is all we do, others we may get out and work several times throughout the day.

The different workouts have included a lot of flirt work, mostly because that's her favorite, but also because it's the easiest to get out a do where ever we are, and it fits in the best on days I get busy. We usually take a good walk sometime during the day, usually in the morning, and I've put a harness on her with a small weight, just enough to give a lil resistance, a time or two. I also took her swimming with a harness on (not a weight pull harness) and used the flirt pole to make her pull the john boat around the pond (but I'ma get her a life jacket before we do that again lol). I've also taken her running with the 4-wheeler a time or two, although, she's not the most fluid runner on the yard haha :)

I think that's it as far as the diff activities go. I had a jenny.. But Rebel, broke it >:( So until it's repaired I won't be able to use it.. Although I think I can rig it for now..

Anyhow.. I feed raw prey model style and I was wondering if anyone had any tips as to the best way to feed a dog your trying to condition.. I know with kibble you can measure everything in cups..

Or is there anything I should do that I'm not?

I will add pics later.. Im in the middle of my second week with her.. so just getting started..

Thanks in advance

mccoypitbulls 08-01-2013 09:05 PM

Don't see any pics..sounds like you are doing fine. Keep up the good work!

welder 08-01-2013 09:53 PM

sounds like you have a good deal of work now...
different workouts mite be the trick to keep the dog interested.
handwalking is great and overlooked a lot........not just around the house lol
put some distance between you and the house.
think you'd be surprised at the shape of your dog will be in a few weeks.
one thing tho.........be careful with the jenny! been a lot of hounds hurt
on them...owners also if they don't pay attention.
they can be a bitch on the dogs shoulders.
as far as the raw I only do it as a treat once ever 10 days or so,cant help you there.
a lot on here can tho.
can I ask what are you conditioning it for?
and pics will get you more replys lol.

APASA 08-02-2013 02:51 PM

Yes, I'm about to post pics.. I just didn't have time yesterday it's slow to post them because I have to upload them else where to get a URL first.. I want to kind of document her progress with photos here which I wrote "image heavy" because it will be over time..

I'm conditioning because I love how this girl is bonding with me, and I've never really done it all out and proper. I've always started a routine and then faded out of it with in like a week because we get busy or I start working with a different dog.. I want to prove to myself, and KU that we can do it all the way. She's willing to work hard for me.. and she's inspired to me to get off my lazy ... and do right by her. I've started her in obedience while we are doing this so she is getting a lot of walking everyday too because i start out teaching attentiveness for about a week which involves a lot of walking in a lot of different environment. She's excelled there too, and is now well into heeling. I may consider weight pull. I intially wanted to show her.. but being almost all white with pink on her eyerims and mostly pink pads Idk how well she'd do.. She shows the potential for protection training. I have access to an awesome mentor if I decided to take her that direction.. Pretty much through conditioning I'm getting to know her. She is supposed to be my hub's dog.. And I kept telling myself.. nope not gonna work her. She's his pick.. his dog.. not going to make her first strong bond with me.. But hell she's what, 10.5-11months now.. Psshh I've taken her over :) Snooze ya loose.. And what a heck of a loss for him haha!

APASA 08-02-2013 02:56 PM

This is her about a week I guess...? Before we started any training... or workouts..
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APASA 08-02-2013 03:00 PM

She is soo dirty! ^^^ Stayed on clay mixed with sand next to a cedar tree so she always had sticky sapp like stuff on her.. I cleaned her up and brought her in the house though :D

Here is her like the middle of first week.. http://s24.postimg.org/5j355ghhx/GEDC5848_640x581.jpg

Firehazard 08-02-2013 03:02 PM

if ya wanna lean her out add more 4 wheeler miles 12 minimum; make each trip longer and on the trip include the swim. Some like to begin with, some end. I like to do both. begin and end with a swim. .... The swimming is best for heart and lungs not to mention every muscle in the body.. include some latter style drills with flirt (in the water and on land), and updowns using 6ft round bales. Put the long paced run at the end on most days and at the beginning on those one day a week max outs. Just before the cool down swim.
There is a regiment partially laid out in a discussion with JTP : the dogs. You can also order books on keep ;) I just threw in some of my favorites.

APASA 08-02-2013 03:44 PM

These are just some action shots from flirting that same day.. I'm pretty sure I already posted some these on here. Oh well. Most of the action pics will be flirting I guess. Mostly because I take the pics and work the dog at the same time by myself most of the time.. Occasionally I get help ;) Also they Jenny would be good for pics but it's such a shady area, my camera doesn't get enough light to get a fast shutter speed so the pics suck.. Btw my jenney can go both directions and I usually do 2 minutes both directions and then stop em. Doesn't sound like much but it's hot, and the over work/ stress over the coon skin like there is no tmrw. Plus .... I worry about em getting hurt so I stop em after 4 minutes, walk em down check em over work a different dog or two then put em back on for another 4 minutes.. So far it does good that way.. well did.. till Rebel jacked it up.
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APASA 08-02-2013 03:58 PM

Thanks for the tips Fire Hazard. I have to get her a life jacket. She can't swim worth a flip. She starts trying to look up and then get's vertical in the water and goes under.. Then she panics. Long as I keep the flirt flag out in front of her and right on the top of the water she will keep her head down and swim ok.. but one look up and I guess she forgets to keep paddling and sinks.. She also isn't a good runner.. real awkward stride. Rebel my horsapit terrier :) runs like a thoroughbred. He is a beautiful runner. I put him on a 4ft lead and run him along side the wheeler (he will go after cows if loose.. ) until we get out away from the house and pastures and he will keep perfect pace. I run him just for the sheer joy of watching him. He's so fluid, switches leads without the slightest break in pace... And will go for miles unwinded.. And He is fat.. I mean for his build and such he is fat.

Oh and you feed raw dont' you? Any tips there?

APASA 08-02-2013 04:23 PM

Here she is From the Middle of the Second Week :) (yesterday)

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KMdogs 08-02-2013 04:26 PM

If has s good bit of prey drive introduce.some Boar piss..

Rig up a pole facing down on 4 wheeler or mountain bike,. Have a durable rope she likes and soak it and get it on that rod securely where its draggin.. get In a good area and you'll need good recall and work your way up to it..

But take off rope draggin, about 20 to 30 seconds later have someone release her ti go after it.. you'll need to go fast enough to where she can't catch it but slow enough to keep sight..

Start with a baseline of 10 miles, 5 if really out of shape.. build your way up..

I do something similar during pre season get em ready.. works well for conditioning if you want to keep her lean and toned.

APASA 08-02-2013 05:03 PM

Hmm.. cool idea KM.. Different. And I like different. I have a boar.. And she likes.. well more like hates .. him! I keep a boar tethered in our old chicken coop for the dogs to play with so they stay on their toes.. And she likes trying to catch him although she hasn't gotten her confidence up quite enough to grab him anywhere but on the butt lol She hasn't been in with him much though.

I like taking her running through the back part of the pasture that the hogs tore up this past spring bc it hasn't been bush hogged and it's tall tall grass and weeds and she has to hop through it which I imagine can be a good workout. I know when she gets tired bc she quits hopping and just blunders through it, and when she finally stumbles out the other side her face is green from grass stains lmao!

We were out walking the other morning and there was a coon in the pasture up by the catch pens. I took off running after it so she'd see it before it got out of site and she nailed him! Rolled him up and in about 15seconds had popped his peepers out. If you guys would have known her before I started spending time with her.. The dog in the first pic is so a dog of the past.. I know all this little stuff doesn't sound like much.. But for her.. She has really come around..

APASA 08-02-2013 05:12 PM

From the same day as the last one.. Which was actually day before yesterday..
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mccoypitbulls 08-02-2013 05:45 PM

Cool pics.looks like u are makin a good time..above posts are great info. love them black ears. i believe u can tone up nice and ur well on ur way. keep us posted.

Firehazard 08-02-2013 06:13 PM

livers, hearts, and fats... mixed with greens and rice ;) If can get it fresh Salmon ;) ;) the total portion of food should be no bigger than her head is in volume, pretty close to stomach size. Feed a slight calorie burner before and the meal after the work out.

rice is your filler, potatoes work well.. don't over do it with the liver and hearts. There is also beef hearts and livers gather your beef fats from butcher as well. Nothing builds blood cells naturally like liver and heart. use other meat too, its just those two things are full of amino acids, vitamins and proteins not found anywhere else.

Thats unprocessed foods... I believe surfer left some good hints on the JTP thread: The Dogs ... as well.

APASA 08-02-2013 07:36 PM

Thanx Mccoy.. I love taking pictures!

And FH.. Fats really? I was trying to avoid fats.. From my Raw feeding exp so far fats stay with them longer.. I guess that's not a bad thing then? I've heard you should be empty for workouts so I fed what I thought she'd burn up quickly.. Over stressing am I? For the gang I feed everyother day usually... occassionally I'll skip two days and even less often I'll feed two days in a row. If I feed red meats and no fat to dog he's sucked usually sucked up again in his flanks with 24hrs.. vs dogs who ate alot of fat that feeding that aren't sucked up until after atleast 48hrs. Even still they'll rarely eat two days in a row.. But I feed a lot on the days I do feed. Some gorge it down others bury half.. and some like to let it sit out in the sun and ripen.. Since I started her workouts.. I've been feeding KU daily but mostly red meat and bone/cartiledge. I guess I've been doing it wrong.. She won't touch rice, or greens. She'll eat grass tops in a.m. when I let her out to pee and such. I guess she likes morning grass tops because of the dew.. Usually these come out the other end.

And No processed foods here. I get em straight from the Packing house. I don't have much access to chicken though unless I buy it.

Firehazard 08-02-2013 07:42 PM

Chicken not really important if you have the upfront butcher like that. So the fats are important so your dog isn't "stale" ... which means they look like a dog of steel but they act like a couch dog out of the blue with no gumption. .. from not having enough fats. make it a day so you know what day a week you include fats and thus a balanced diet. Fats burn longer and theres protiens, and amino acids in the fats not in the meat. :D You gotta good handle on it however.

APASA 08-02-2013 08:07 PM

Thanx :) Hey, check out her eye.. What do you think that is or is from? It's not just a glare in the picture either.. Its there no matter when you look at her eye... I'm refering to the lil light pale blue is dot in the center of her pupil.. There is a reflection in her eye over the spot in this photo.. But you can still see what I'm talking about pretty good.. http://s24.postimg.org/4d3gn6fmd/GEDC5815_800x800.jpg

Firehazard 08-02-2013 08:16 PM

From the pic it looks like a scar or a cataract. .. I had a dog back in oklahoma get cataracts in one eye. She got bit by a small rattlesnake and we never knew. How'd we find out?? I moved her dog house and there were baby rattlesnakes under there. Some dogs have a good immunity to stuff like that it just is bizarre. ALso at anytime if a foreign object hit her in the eye it would form a cataract type scar. JMO from the pic and zooming the other pics. If it grows.. its a cataract if it doesn't its a scar.

OldDog 08-02-2013 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by APASA (Post 857313)
Thanx Mccoy.. I love taking pictures!

And FH.. Fats really? I was trying to avoid fats.. From my Raw feeding exp so far fats stay with them longer.. I guess that's not a bad thing then? I've heard you should be empty for workouts so I fed what I thought she'd burn up quickly.. Over stressing am I? For the gang I feed everyother day usually... occassionally I'll skip two days and even less often I'll feed two days in a row. If I feed red meats and no fat to dog he's sucked usually sucked up again in his flanks with 24hrs.. vs dogs who ate alot of fat that feeding that aren't sucked up until after atleast 48hrs. Even still they'll rarely eat two days in a row.. But I feed a lot on the days I do feed. Some gorge it down others bury half.. and some like to let it sit out in the sun and ripen.. Since I started her workouts.. I've been feeding KU daily but mostly red meat and bone/cartiledge. I guess I've been doing it wrong.. She won't touch rice, or greens. She'll eat grass tops in a.m. when I let her out to pee and such. I guess she likes morning grass tops because of the dew.. Usually these come out the other end.

And No processed foods here. I get em straight from the Packing house. I don't have much access to chicken though unless I buy it.


You are aware of the accident that cost the bulldog world Ch. Honeybunch? Keep that dogs back legs on the ground.

As regards fats , fat content is vital for longterm energy , dogs don't process their energy like humans , without the proper amount of fats your dog will hit the wall and gas out sooner than otherwise. Take a look at sled dog diets as an example , there are good reason why such diets run to a 50 percent fat content. The dog will be through the available carbs and into the fat store after the first 20 to 30 minutes of exertion.

APASA 08-02-2013 09:08 PM

Well get this.. She's had it since she opened her eyes.. All of her syblings did too in atleast one eye some both except one. She can see out of it.. It has crisp lines streaking from the center to the edge of her iris too.. I don't think any of the pups were blind though.. One had em in both eyes real big and he didn't see well, but he could see. He died.. but not bc of his eyes..

APASA 08-02-2013 09:22 PM

Thank you Old Dog, and no, I am not aware of this accident, but Yes sir either way.

Also I appreciate the added info on the diet. I'm having a difficult figuring out how to portion the raw stuff. Dog food has it written in nice little percentages on the back lol.. I also learned a lot of dog food is other cats and dogs pts collars, tags, and flea preventatives included as well as road kill, and cow head (ear tag insectacides) as well. At least that's what I read from a guy with the last name Biduk.. bestcatanddognutrition ?? Rendering plants.. gross.

Most of my food I get comes from the trimmings off carcasses at the butcher. I get trachs and lungs, livers, some other organs I'm not sure what they are..Small and brown surrounded my fat.. I get a lot of fat.. I get necks, peices of spinal colums parts of rib cages.. heads.. and other various tid bits.. I can identify alot of it.. But not all of it.. So should I avoid bone?

OldDog 08-02-2013 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by APASA (Post 857449)
Thank you Old Dog, and no, I am not aware of this accident, but Yes sir either way.

Also I appreciate the added info on the diet. I'm having a difficult figuring out how to portion the raw stuff. Dog food has it written in nice little percentages on the back lol.. I also learned a lot of dog food is other cats and dogs pts collars, tags, and flea preventatives included as well as road kill, and cow head (ear tag insectacides) as well. At least that's what I read from a guy with the last name Biduk.. bestcatanddognutrition ?? Rendering plants.. gross.

Most of my food I get comes from the trimmings off carcasses at the butcher. I get trachs and lungs, livers, some other organs I'm not sure what they are..Small and brown surrounded my fat.. I get a lot of fat.. I get necks, peices of spinal colums parts of rib cages.. heads.. and other various tid bits.. I can identify alot of it.. But not all of it.. So should I avoid bone?

Honeybunch fell while using a springpole.

Personally I avoid bone , something you might wish to explore too is the use of the medium chain trigylcerides ( the fatless fats simplistically speaking) they provide the fat energy but don't store in the body like animal fats do , additionally fat intake will be easier to monitor as regards adding and subtracting fats if you utilise canola oil or olive oil.

For "early carbs" Cytomax may be of some value , it also buffers lactic acid buildup , feed on a cup to a pint of water a half hour to an hour pre-workout.

A post workout intake can be important , just as with human athletes , a scoop of Metabollol II and a tablespoon of canola oil works well , cool the dog out prior. In keep I split feedings , morning and evening.

In keep or training *never* let the dog get really hungry , look to human bodybuilders and powerlifters and many fighters and wrestlers who eat the equivalent of 5-6 small meals a day rather than two large ones , you're attempting to build a constant energy reserve while avoiding putting extra weight or fat on the dog.

OldDog 08-02-2013 09:50 PM

By the way , dog food labels are in the order of percentage of content , if corn or wheat is in the first position then that's a major portion of the total content.

You also might explore the use of canned tuna ( oil packed) or canned mackerel.

mccoypitbulls 08-02-2013 10:35 PM

I was thinking that too..but thought maybe just the angles..or a tall person takin pics...anyone know of a good video to post that shows correctly?

APASA 08-02-2013 11:11 PM

I'm tall but in most of those pics where the sky is in the back ground I'm squatting down trying to get up under her.. She loves jumping and will jump either way, but I can reduce it. I take her up the hood, over the cab, and down the bed of our ol' one ton, lol She has got some ups. I also made an "A" frame that she loves.

I'll have to look into supplements although in the past I've spent money on them and wasn't greatly pleased with the results... But the new "meat based" dog food usually doesn't consist of the quality meats they lead you think.

Is a strict routine important in terms of workout times?

Also have you ever looked into liquid DMG as a supplement?
I've heard good things about it.

So.. Feed a.m. and p.m. small meals? I mean in terms of weight maybe like a lb day? .5 per meal? Heavy on fat, liver, heart, and fish?

In terms of oil.. What do you think of Peanut Oil? Nuts are a type of protein right?

I usually give her the juice from my tuna can when I drain it.. So I know she likes it. What about fish like bass? I feed whole fish to the dogs occasionally. Only about half will eat em though. Some of them like to eat live crayfish too! That is frickin hilarious. Bill, our am bulldog is scared of em. He bounces in circles snapping about two inches from it barking like a motard!

mccoypitbulls 08-03-2013 02:51 AM

Good stuff. i wanna see the crawfads..lol.. i was thinking...them pics are some like ya don't see every day.that explains some of the odd angles. there was some good tips from the folks above in another thread..don't recall.u seem like my kinda people.

APASA 08-03-2013 03:10 AM

I'll try to throw a crawdad at Bill in plently good sunlight so I can get some pics of him. He's a big dumb f... :)

Yea, I wish I had a better camera! The delay in mine from the time I push the button to the point at which it actually takes the photo is enough to make me want to break my toes and then kick a brick wall bare foot! I have to push the button right before i drop the flag an inch or two to make her jump for it. And if I get lucky.. I get her in mid air.. Of course... I am liable to take 200 + pics in 20 minutes haha

And then again considering the condition of my camera in relation to the short amount of time I've had it.. i'm really not all that sure I want to go spend a small fortune on a badass camera that will need to be replaced in a year or so if that.

And if your refering to JTP's post "the dogs" yes. I read through that today :)

We are our kind of people.. so if thats like your kind of people, then i'd say we like similar company lol

mccoypitbulls 08-03-2013 12:25 PM

Pickin up what ur puttin down..ain't it fun to go back thru the pics...and have so many blurs..lol

ThaLadyPit 08-03-2013 03:52 PM

Sorry for going off topic here, but what kind of camera are you using APASA? Can you not manually adjust your camera's settings to get a quicker shutter speed?

APASA 08-03-2013 11:56 PM

Yea, if there isn't enough light that camera won't take a clear photo for anything!

And ThaLadyPit, it's a point and shoot GE camera. It has manual settings and that is what I shoot in. I can have my shutter speed on two thounsandths of a second and it will freeze action (provided there is enough light) but when I push the button there is a delay from that time to point where the camera closes the shutter and takes the pic. When the shutter does move it's plenty fast.. but the delay comes before that. So if I push the button when I see the shot I want, ex. KU in the air, the photo it actually takes is of her landing.

Ok, so yesterday evening, we took KU out running with the four wheeler, and we also took two other dogs, Rebel, and Bug, and she did much better. I realized that she simply is not fast. When I took her by herself I thought she was burning out really fast because she would lag so far behind, that's not the case.. She just isn't a fast runner.. She was in the back the whole time yesterday probably but when we stopped to let her catch up and let the others get a drink she was the least winded and was trotting around wanting to play verses spend the time drinking and cooling off. We probably took em five miles.. It was hot and humid so didn't want to push em too hard, but the pace was still set pretty fast. Only Rebel could stay with the wheeler the entire time. She was sore last night and I rubbed her down and checked her over and she has a cut just above the biggest pad (kinda on her lower pastern) and she limped a lil so I haven't let her work any today. Just be outside on a light line for some fresh air.

ThaLadyPit 08-04-2013 02:14 PM

Oh, okay... perhaps there's a better manual setting that will lessen the delay between the shutter release button, and the time it takes for the shutter to actually respond. I don't have any experience with the GE, so I can't be of much help there. Sorry.

APASA 08-04-2013 06:44 PM

ThaLadyPit, it's a cheapo! It was like $130 bucks from wal-mart, I had to have it for a photography class. I have a really nice Canon, but.. It uses film. My mother gave it to me, to use for the class before I found out the camera had to be digital. I've never used it, but i'd bet it would produce the quality I'd like to have, film is just expensive considering the amt of photos I take.

APASA 08-09-2013 04:20 AM

Ok here we are at 2.5 weeks... I haven't changed up the "routine" much, but I think it's time to start increasing the time/distance, there doesn't seem to be as much difference in her this week imo.. Maybe she's gotten to the point that our current workouts aren't pushing her very much anymore.. If i'm wrong please do let me know.

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APASA 08-09-2013 04:40 AM

Side shots all together Before - 2.5 Weeks

Before:
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.5 Weeks
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1.5 Weeks
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2.5Weeks
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Firehazard 08-09-2013 04:42 AM

She's old school... I love it..

APASA 08-09-2013 04:59 AM

Thanx FH :) I'm kinda feeling disheartened on it all. I guess I was thinking I was going to see more progress sooner, but I figure I'm jumping the gun, I could/should be putting more into it. This last week she hurt her shoulder and cut her foot, so I gave her a day off and the next day she just played in the sprinkler so maybe that's it. I know making excuses aren't going to help like getting off my ass will.. but maybe how this feeling of shame for not giving the lil girl my all will motivate me..

Maybe I should post my daily "workouts" with her so when I don't put forth enough effort my gopitbull mentors/coaches can drill my lazy ass!

Firehazard 08-09-2013 05:30 AM

When your both fresh off the couch so to speak.. its best to work hard for 15-30 mins several times a day, the next week extend it to 45min.. then 60, 90.. etc.. Don't know your regiment but start small and work in time limits. Dont get discouraged, just do it different. Gotta work right at your edge and hers.. not over the top, and not paddy cake either.

You got it..
Keep up your latters, sprints, swimming, pulling, up downs, tire work... ... used in increments all in the same day.. day by day.. will get you immediate results. Only feed once a day meal wise give her a light snack of some good meat with fats half portion of meal. Her meal should only be the equivalent size of her head without the muzzle. Do not over feed. Like any athlete diet, exercise and rest ;) make all the difference in the world.

APASA 08-09-2013 06:47 AM

:) Thank you. I mean it. I couldn't have come closer to saying what I needed to hear myself.

I've been feeding heavy on the organs and fats like you said. I've been giving her 2 eggs at a time as like a snack between meals. She doesn't like the texture of raw eggs and/or the shells. She likes the smell and acts like she wants to eat it but spits it out. She likes them cooked, or raw & mixed with the water I drain from my tuna can, are eggs even that good of a snack? I like them bc they are cheap, and easy to keep in the fridge in the house, thus on hand.

I need to do more hand walking with her I think. I've been taking her a quarter mile in the a.m. just as like an empty out/warm up, and then another quarter with a weight behind her, in a harness. It's just enough weight to have her panting lightly when we get back. Then depending on the day we either break for a while or will do some flirt work till she's hot enough I start to tell myself to watch that she isn't getting "too" hot.
If we break then if 15-30minutes later we will get out and I'll let her chase the flirt along the ground with a 4lb weighted collar until I see her start tire a lil, then I take the collar off (giving her a second wind) and use the flirt to work/guide her through an obstacle course. Then we will break again, let her have a drink, catch her breath good and rest a moment, and depending on the weather (how hot it's gotten by that time) we will go for a run on the 4-wheeler abt 5mi.

Now this is on a good full day. I won't lie, there are days we work a flirt pole 15-20 minutes and nothing else. Those are the days that are setting us behind. Those are the days (like her rest day) that she shreds trash if left unsupervised in the house very long. She wants to work. She gets bored. I want to scold her, but I know it's my fault. It's her way of telling me, "let's go do something dammit!"

Firehazard 08-09-2013 10:36 AM

There ya go.. and yes I left that out, and you reminded me. Handwalkin in one of the most important parts .. Get up early get your mile in. Don't care how long. Get the mile. Go at your pace let her drag a 20ft rope, idea is to pace the dog where the rope in mabye 3ft infront of you the whole trip. Gotta get that mile in. Because if shes in shape she can run 12 easy. I used to run dogs with a 4wheeler when I had my sled dogs way back in late 90s I would go all over jauls county backroads country pastures, woods, creek bottoms. Id say you got a real good jump. Just need to change it up. Some days its fine to work solely on catch, or wind.. but you should always start your day with a mile or two. I've found it really helps with dogs attitude the rest of the day as well. OH! Surfer said something about canned salmon.. if its cheaper than tuna than put your two eggs with a bit of that in the morning.. and that would be great easily digestible proteins.

So schedule your days and weeks, gotta keep track just like a personal trainer, cause.. thats what your doing. :pup: This next week make sunday day 1, sat 7. pick a day for rest, nothing but the morning walk and maybe a short jot evening. Setup a routine and regiment for strength, wind, mind, agility.. and some days should be short intense of all of the exercises, some specialized..... You'll be pleased as a pup. .. My chain dogs look like many peoples show dogs, conditioned.. my dogs are very light.. good bone though :D


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