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Old 09-16-2007, 09:24 PM  
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More often than they should, pit bull owners wonder about the dog park issue, finding themselves explaining to others that their dog is not a "killing machine," it is not "one of those pit bulls" and there is no reason that their dog can’t enjoy off leash time with unknown dogs. Some will even insist that "you only add to the misconception toward this breed when you don't allow your friendly pit bull to go to the dog park.” After all, these people argue that it is all about "how we raise them" and providing socialization is the key to no problem dogs. Unfortunately, that’s not true.

Dog aggression in our own dogs should not be a problem. Good management and knowledge prevent trouble. Responsible and caring pit bull owners have done their homework and know what to expect from the breed. This breed's genetic traits involve dog aggression, to varying degrees. Even the most well socialized pit bull can one day decide that other dogs are not play buddies. It happens most often when the dog reaches maturity between two and three years of age, and it can happen without apparent reason.

Here are some good articles for basic breed information:

http://www.pbrc.net/breedinfo.html
http://www.realpitbull.com/fight.html

Because of the breed's background, it is unfair to expect dogs to behave the way we want them to when it comes to dog aggression and dog to dog relationships. We set our dogs up for failure when we decide to let them off leash in a public place and allow them to romp with other dogs. Dog parks are a place where people like to chit chat with each other, paying very little attention to what happens around their dogs. Posturing, body language, subtle looks and even vocalization are often misunderstood or overlooked by dog owners. Even when dogs let us know what is about to happen we might not see what is happening until it is too late. Most dog owners have no idea of what body language means, and don’t know how to intervene if things go wrong. They panic, scream, yell, and hit the attacking dog; all of which often just makes things worse. A fight between two dogs can be hard enough to stop; now imagine a fight among 4 or 5 of them. In fights like these, pets and even people can be seriously injured.

Dog parks are also a place where unknown dogs are present. We don't know if they’re fully vaccinated or in good health. They can be sick and our dogs can get ill as well.

We don't know if they are truly friendly dogs or if they may be aggressive. Everybody's dog is friendly, according to their owners. When the "friendly" dog decides to snap at ours, a fight starts.

Who is going to be blamed for that fight? Will it be the pit bull or the cute little fluffy dog? The answer is obvious.

Here is the story of one accident at a dog park, involving a pit bull.:

http://www.badrap.org/rescue/dogpark.cfm

Below is an article about a pit bull named Nettie that attacked a police horse, in San Francisco, in 2003. Nettie was let off leash at a public park by her irresponsible owner. The dog did nothing wrong, but she was set up for failure by the person who should have protected her. Nettie belonged to an SPCA volunteer and she was often taken to senior centers to comfort the elderly. Nettie was a good dog. This pretty pit bull female paid the price for her owner’s ignorance and irresponsibility with her life. Many dogs have lost their lives the same way, due to the same kind of irresponsibility. It took her life for her owner to "get it.” Like most situations of this sort, the events that ultimately resulted in Nettie’s unfair death were totally preventable.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...23/horse23.DTL


Each time a pit bull is allowed to harm another pet all pit bull owners and their dogs suffer. One common defensive reaction of dog park lovers is "the dog is mine and it is nobody's business where I take it.” This is not true. It is every pit bull owner's business as well. We are surrounded by BSL (Breed Specific Legislation) all over the Country. The news media report dog to dog attacks or dog to cat/cow/horse/sheep attacks almost every day, and with the same attention as if Osama Bin Laden had been captured. Reporters often compare human aggression to animal aggression. How many times do we hear "it was a dog but it could have been a child"?

It is ridiculous but it happens every day. “There goes another vicious pit bull attacking an innocent dog or cat!” What happens after a pit bull attacks another dog in the neighborhood or at the local dog park? It is like we suddenly own wild animals that have no right to exist. Our friendly neighbor suddenly stops talking to us and no longer lets her children come around our dog. The person we used to walk our dog with is no longer available because she fears for her pet. The two men down the street no longer come and pet our dog when we walk by their homes or rush into the house if they have their dogs with them. People ask for a ban. We did not change and our dog is the same as always but this is the result of one mistake, caused by someone who obviously did not care about the rest of us. It is a sad situation to be in.

This breed doesn't need any more accidents, we can't afford them. We are in this situation thank to those who failed their own dogs. When a whole breed suffers because of someone's action it is our business as well. No doubt on that.

Vet bills aren't cheap, emotions can be overwhelming, the guilt stays, so why to risk it? It isn't fair that only one breed is targeted when dogs of other breeds have killed or attacked other dogs. Today, a dog behaving like a dog has become a sin. Fair or not that is how the situation is and every pit bull owner needs to understand it.

The point of socialization is for a dog to have positive experiences with other dogs. When people take their dogs, perhaps puppies, to a park and something happens, they are responsible for the consequences. A young dog that is attacked for no reason won't be so willing to be friendly the next time it meets an unknown dog. An experience like that is a bad start and can often lead to problems in the future. There are no guarantees on what can happen at a dog park because dog parks are often full of different dogs with different personalities and tolerance levels. Even an easy going adult dog can change its approach after an attack. It is hard enough for a dog of this breed to tolerate other dogs and it is a big mistake to contribute to bad experiences. Dogs should always rely on us to defend them--the trust factor is important. We are responsible for protecting our dogs from harm. A dog that has no choice but to defend itself loses its trust in the owner and knows that in the future it needs to take care of itself. It then becomes fearful of other dogs and not so willing to behave like a well-balanced dog that was socialized in the appropriate way.

How can we socialize around other dogs then? Good question. Socialization is a must but it has to be done with common sense and in a controlled environment. Perhaps a friend has a mellow dog of the opposite sex and he/she is willing to let the dogs play together. Both owners should know that there is the possibility of a scrap and will intervene immediately and with the appropriate tools/techniques. Both owners will watch their dogs closely and never leave them unsupervised.

Every pit bull owner should have a breaking stick available, even when on a walk, hidden somewhere. It is a quick and effective way to break a hold.

What is a breaking stick and why it is an important tool to have:
http://www.pbrc.net/breaksticks.html

Some information on how to break up a fight:
http://www.pbrc.net/breakfight.html

Obedience classes are an option too. In obedience classes, the dogs are leashed and can learn to control themselves in the presence of other dogs. It is not necessary for a pit bull to be dog friendly, but it is necessary for us to help them learn to control natural behaviors. Dogs that are exposed to this kind of environment can learn to behave with some time and work.

The local feedstore/petstore is another way to socialize our dogs, because they are another place where dogs are leashed. It’s important to remember that it doesn’t mean we don't need to pay attention to the surroundings. Respect the comfort level of your dog and move away from other dogs if necessary. Face to face interactions can quickly end badly, even when both dogs are leashed.

Those who are still convinced that a pit bull belongs to a dog park would benefit from reading these links. Their dogs and all of us will benefit as well.Please, don't set your dog up for failure.

http://www.pbrc.net/dogpark.html
http://www.pitbullpress.com/ARTICLES/DOGPARK.html


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I could never imagine my dogs at a dog park. If I were to see a bulldog getting along with other dogs with no fighting, just playing, I would wonder if the dog was indeed an a true APBT. It's because of people trying so hard to prove their dog is lovable and friendly why other dogs get attacked and killed. Let's give the media more reasons to portray these dogs as monsters and take them out to our local dog park so they can do what they do best....fight. It's not DA issues these dogs have, it's the pure love of the fight for these bulldogs. These dogs weren't bred to be pets, though there are alot of passive dogs and curs, most bulldogs will fight and enjoy every minute of it. The truth is, most people have no business owning a true APBT and that is why the breed is in jeopardy to begin with. AmStaffs and Bullies may be better suited for these dog parks but I would NEVER take an APBT to one. That's just my take on the subject.
I so agree with everything you have said you make some good points. I just would not risk it not with a true apbt. I learned the hard way with my older male I had no idea but I found out real quick you cannot take out what has been bred into the breed for hundereds of years no matter how much you socialize not with these dogs. I see these pitbulls on animal planet all together in harmony and I ask myself why can't my dog be like this LOL. Actually the truth is he was up until a certain point and it was like just one day he had full blown aggression sure suprised me! I will never ever again trust a pitbull not to fight not after what I have been through with our rednose male. The thought of a dog park for pitbulls freaks me out. I just would never put my dogs or anyone elses dogs at risk not a chance I am willing to take. Maybe I am peranoid but when your dog has attacked another dog it changes your veiw real quick and you can't blame the dog it's not their fualt it always falls back on the owner.
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I wouldn't even think of it, not even on a leash.
The first dog to get close enough.. well you know..
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Against dog parks for this breed 100%. I find myself wondering if the folks who participate in these things have ever experienced the full, impassioned glory of this breed when they're at their best. (Meaning when they've got a mouthful of some other dog's face.) Not to mention just how blazingly fast it can go down. If you've got 10 seconds to stop it from happening, you've got an extremely generous and slow-to-start dog.
Well said Lindsey I wonder that myself because you would think if someone has seen what I think we both have seen they would think twice about a dog park it would be the last thing they would ever want to do with this breed and to themselves. Great Point!
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ok I am in total agreeance with the OP of this thread. Dog Parks are NO, and I mean NO place for a APBT or any of the other bully breeds. Even though you know your dog, you don't know everyone else's. ANd these places are breeding grounds for stupidity and unruly dogs. Why subject yourself and YOUR dog to something that could be potentially dangerous. And even if your dog doesn't start it, he/she WILL finish it. And then that is more bad press for us responsible owners. I have NEVER taken my dogs to an off leash dog park. There is one here with a creek that we go too but all 4 stay on the leash and we walk straight thru to go to the trails. I have actually stopped going there because of a chocolate Lab that attacked my Phoenix while we were walking on leash to our car. And noone wanted to step and claim the dog. I almost let Phoenix go just to prove apoint. But I held my composure and someone finally helped and we left. Please DO NOT take your dog to a dog park. Even if you want to socialize your dog, they ONLY want your attention not the attention of other dogs. Take them to a baseball field or a pasture on the outskirts of town. if this can't be done find some place that is with in your area that you can take your dog without the risk of running into other dogs and let them run off leash. And ALWAYS carry a breakstick with you.
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Sorry APBTmom76, but explain the breakstick to me. What is it and how would someone use it? I feel dumb but I guess that's why I am here, to learn.
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wow, great info Lindsay. Thank you.
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yeah..no dog park for maximus....im just not willing to take that risk...most of those people dont have their dogs under control at all..why would i put myself of my dog through that.

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yeah..no dog park for maximus....im just not willing to take that risk...most of those people dont have their dogs under control at all..why would i put myself of my dog through that.

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A Day At The Park

He is just like other dogs I would always say; He loves to go to the dog park to play every day

Everyone loves him there, so it's ok; My dog won't fight--he wasn't raised that way

But then one day, right before dark, A troubled young man came into the park

He had by his side the biggest dog I'd ever seen, And unfortunately for us, both were quite mean

We asked very nicely if they would just go; The dog answered with a snarl and the man with a harsh "NO!"

Well his dog was a terror, threatening to all; Then he started a fight with a Lab over a ball

They fought pretty hard and the man would not intervene; Then here comes my dog and pushes right in between

He grabbed that big dog and thrashed him around; And with one quick jerk threw him down on the ground

The Lab was able to escape; I heard everyone cheer; But my dog was now in a frenzy and would not let me near

When he finally let go, what I saw stopped my heart; That big mean dog had been torn apart

The authorities were called, the big dog was now dead; But they didn't take the big dog; they took my dog instead

We all tried to explain that my dog saved the day; But because of his breed he was taken away

You see my dog was a Pitbull and they don't get any breaks; One small incident is all that it takes

A dog had died; And though he hadn't started the fight, My dog was held responsible for what happened that night

He was deemed a danger to all and sentenced to death; And I hold him now as he takes his last breath

It's my fault that my dog is being killed today; Please listen for a moment to what I am going to say

Everyone warned me about his potential to fight; I said it won't happen, I am raising him right

And now my dog is paying the ultimate price; Because I was stubborn and wouldn't take the advice

He only did what he was bred to do; Learn from our story; don't let it happen to you.
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gut check. dooooofffff ouch.

As the warm days come i find myself going less and less. To many unknown factors. Even one a lady who goes every day is now coming less and less.

In the 7months ive been going to my local dog park ive personally witnessed 2 attacks. Not fights, as it was one dog mauling the other. One of those was my dog. Luckly I broke it up before it got too bad. Punctures on my dogs face.

That poem was a serious blow. My dog was only 5ish months at the time, not an adult.

Sure does make me think twice, and twice.
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i must say, i agree and disagree with this post, first i agree because it has happened to my dog, there is a point where a pitbull can not go to a dog park anymore, some one walked in with a 4 year old pit, they let him off the leash my dog sniffed him and in the blink of a second they were rolling around, thank god i was quick enough to pull them apart simply because the other owner was standing there not watching his own dogs body language this happened, if you are going to bring a pit to a dog park, dont socialize watch your dog watch its body language. i feel if your a responsible owner this can be prevented. now i disagree with the post because i myself do bring my dog to the dog park, now i dont sit and b.s. with the other owners, i watch my dog and follow him if i feel he is getting to rough with another dog on the verge of fighting all i have to do is yell easy and he looks right at me and stops playing, i personally feel if you can constantly have control over your dog by comands and you sit and watch them you will be ok
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