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Old 09-16-2007, 09:24 PM  
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More often than they should, pit bull owners wonder about the dog park issue, finding themselves explaining to others that their dog is not a "killing machine," it is not "one of those pit bulls" and there is no reason that their dog can’t enjoy off leash time with unknown dogs. Some will even insist that "you only add to the misconception toward this breed when you don't allow your friendly pit bull to go to the dog park.” After all, these people argue that it is all about "how we raise them" and providing socialization is the key to no problem dogs. Unfortunately, that’s not true.

Dog aggression in our own dogs should not be a problem. Good management and knowledge prevent trouble. Responsible and caring pit bull owners have done their homework and know what to expect from the breed. This breed's genetic traits involve dog aggression, to varying degrees. Even the most well socialized pit bull can one day decide that other dogs are not play buddies. It happens most often when the dog reaches maturity between two and three years of age, and it can happen without apparent reason.

Here are some good articles for basic breed information:

http://www.pbrc.net/breedinfo.html
http://www.realpitbull.com/fight.html

Because of the breed's background, it is unfair to expect dogs to behave the way we want them to when it comes to dog aggression and dog to dog relationships. We set our dogs up for failure when we decide to let them off leash in a public place and allow them to romp with other dogs. Dog parks are a place where people like to chit chat with each other, paying very little attention to what happens around their dogs. Posturing, body language, subtle looks and even vocalization are often misunderstood or overlooked by dog owners. Even when dogs let us know what is about to happen we might not see what is happening until it is too late. Most dog owners have no idea of what body language means, and don’t know how to intervene if things go wrong. They panic, scream, yell, and hit the attacking dog; all of which often just makes things worse. A fight between two dogs can be hard enough to stop; now imagine a fight among 4 or 5 of them. In fights like these, pets and even people can be seriously injured.

Dog parks are also a place where unknown dogs are present. We don't know if they’re fully vaccinated or in good health. They can be sick and our dogs can get ill as well.

We don't know if they are truly friendly dogs or if they may be aggressive. Everybody's dog is friendly, according to their owners. When the "friendly" dog decides to snap at ours, a fight starts.

Who is going to be blamed for that fight? Will it be the pit bull or the cute little fluffy dog? The answer is obvious.

Here is the story of one accident at a dog park, involving a pit bull.:

http://www.badrap.org/rescue/dogpark.cfm

Below is an article about a pit bull named Nettie that attacked a police horse, in San Francisco, in 2003. Nettie was let off leash at a public park by her irresponsible owner. The dog did nothing wrong, but she was set up for failure by the person who should have protected her. Nettie belonged to an SPCA volunteer and she was often taken to senior centers to comfort the elderly. Nettie was a good dog. This pretty pit bull female paid the price for her owner’s ignorance and irresponsibility with her life. Many dogs have lost their lives the same way, due to the same kind of irresponsibility. It took her life for her owner to "get it.” Like most situations of this sort, the events that ultimately resulted in Nettie’s unfair death were totally preventable.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...23/horse23.DTL


Each time a pit bull is allowed to harm another pet all pit bull owners and their dogs suffer. One common defensive reaction of dog park lovers is "the dog is mine and it is nobody's business where I take it.” This is not true. It is every pit bull owner's business as well. We are surrounded by BSL (Breed Specific Legislation) all over the Country. The news media report dog to dog attacks or dog to cat/cow/horse/sheep attacks almost every day, and with the same attention as if Osama Bin Laden had been captured. Reporters often compare human aggression to animal aggression. How many times do we hear "it was a dog but it could have been a child"?

It is ridiculous but it happens every day. “There goes another vicious pit bull attacking an innocent dog or cat!” What happens after a pit bull attacks another dog in the neighborhood or at the local dog park? It is like we suddenly own wild animals that have no right to exist. Our friendly neighbor suddenly stops talking to us and no longer lets her children come around our dog. The person we used to walk our dog with is no longer available because she fears for her pet. The two men down the street no longer come and pet our dog when we walk by their homes or rush into the house if they have their dogs with them. People ask for a ban. We did not change and our dog is the same as always but this is the result of one mistake, caused by someone who obviously did not care about the rest of us. It is a sad situation to be in.

This breed doesn't need any more accidents, we can't afford them. We are in this situation thank to those who failed their own dogs. When a whole breed suffers because of someone's action it is our business as well. No doubt on that.

Vet bills aren't cheap, emotions can be overwhelming, the guilt stays, so why to risk it? It isn't fair that only one breed is targeted when dogs of other breeds have killed or attacked other dogs. Today, a dog behaving like a dog has become a sin. Fair or not that is how the situation is and every pit bull owner needs to understand it.

The point of socialization is for a dog to have positive experiences with other dogs. When people take their dogs, perhaps puppies, to a park and something happens, they are responsible for the consequences. A young dog that is attacked for no reason won't be so willing to be friendly the next time it meets an unknown dog. An experience like that is a bad start and can often lead to problems in the future. There are no guarantees on what can happen at a dog park because dog parks are often full of different dogs with different personalities and tolerance levels. Even an easy going adult dog can change its approach after an attack. It is hard enough for a dog of this breed to tolerate other dogs and it is a big mistake to contribute to bad experiences. Dogs should always rely on us to defend them--the trust factor is important. We are responsible for protecting our dogs from harm. A dog that has no choice but to defend itself loses its trust in the owner and knows that in the future it needs to take care of itself. It then becomes fearful of other dogs and not so willing to behave like a well-balanced dog that was socialized in the appropriate way.

How can we socialize around other dogs then? Good question. Socialization is a must but it has to be done with common sense and in a controlled environment. Perhaps a friend has a mellow dog of the opposite sex and he/she is willing to let the dogs play together. Both owners should know that there is the possibility of a scrap and will intervene immediately and with the appropriate tools/techniques. Both owners will watch their dogs closely and never leave them unsupervised.

Every pit bull owner should have a breaking stick available, even when on a walk, hidden somewhere. It is a quick and effective way to break a hold.

What is a breaking stick and why it is an important tool to have:
http://www.pbrc.net/breaksticks.html

Some information on how to break up a fight:
http://www.pbrc.net/breakfight.html

Obedience classes are an option too. In obedience classes, the dogs are leashed and can learn to control themselves in the presence of other dogs. It is not necessary for a pit bull to be dog friendly, but it is necessary for us to help them learn to control natural behaviors. Dogs that are exposed to this kind of environment can learn to behave with some time and work.

The local feedstore/petstore is another way to socialize our dogs, because they are another place where dogs are leashed. It’s important to remember that it doesn’t mean we don't need to pay attention to the surroundings. Respect the comfort level of your dog and move away from other dogs if necessary. Face to face interactions can quickly end badly, even when both dogs are leashed.

Those who are still convinced that a pit bull belongs to a dog park would benefit from reading these links. Their dogs and all of us will benefit as well.Please, don't set your dog up for failure.

http://www.pbrc.net/dogpark.html
http://www.pitbullpress.com/ARTICLES/DOGPARK.html


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I think this was a great post. I just recently discovered my local dog park and decided to take my 2 year old female to it one day. But I also knew what could happen when I did. So I took her WP harness and a small tire with me, loaded her up and took her to a sectioned off part of the park away from the other dogs and we played and fetched worked on commands. She is a good listener, but the more energy she burned off the more she hung on my every word. After a good work out, I put the leash back on her and walked her into another section of the park where there where other dogs. Slowly, we introduced everybody (it was planned with other dog owners as well) and then I took the leash off of her and paid close attention and it was a pleasant experience. Now when we are asked to have another play date, I try to get there about 30 mins or so earlier to work out Karma. It seems taking Ceaser's advice does work even though it is never 100% but I do feel that I am doing my part as a responsible pitt bull owner. Plus it is great for Karma because, as a Pitt Bull, her training and socialization should never end, regardless of age. I try to put her in every situation I can to prevent negative outcomes.
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I think this was a great post. I just recently discovered my local dog park and decided to take my 2 year old female to it one day. But I also knew what could happen when I did. So I took her WP harness and a small tire with me, loaded her up and took her to a sectioned off part of the park away from the other dogs and we played and fetched worked on commands. She is a good listener, but the more energy she burned off the more she hung on my every word. After a good work out, I put the leash back on her and walked her into another section of the park where there where other dogs. Slowly, we introduced everybody (it was planned with other dog owners as well) and then I took the leash off of her and paid close attention and it was a pleasant experience. Now when we are asked to have another play date, I try to get there about 30 mins or so earlier to work out Karma. It seems taking Ceaser's advice does work even though it is never 100% but I do feel that I am doing my part as a responsible pitt bull owner. Plus it is great for Karma because, as a Pitt Bull, her training and socialization should never end, regardless of age. I try to put her in every situation I can to prevent negative outcomes.

"It seems taking Ceaser's advice does work even though it is never 100% but I do feel that I am doing my part as a responsible pitt bull owner."

- Cesar is on a TV show, second a responsible Pit Dog owner will never bring a pit to a park. You do not get it, if your dog gets attack by another dog and he or she fights back your dog will be blamed for it and the breed in general.

-Please look around at the different articles we have on this site. NEVER bring your dog to a dog park there are too many unpredictables that can happen and the ground is full of disease.

IF your cute little pit gets a hold and shake on another dog good luck trying to pry them apart and just think about what the peple at the park are going to think. Whether you like it or not your pitbull was bred for 100's of generations previously for combat, to never give up or die trying. Please remember the history of the breed and possible instincts and avoid any situations that can cause them to escalate and come out.
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Sorry not trying to bring this back from the grave but can someone please make this a sticky? I have ref it a couple times and didn't know if we could put it somewhere more easily accessible for newbies?
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ive been taking my pit the dog park since she was 8 weeks old shes now 2. i just have to watch for small dogs that really are not even supposed to with the big dog. she trys to dominate them never bites them. when pits are at dog park the other dogs know they ged up from the feet up so i think fights dog happen alot. there was a dog (golden) at the dog park that had bitten a couple other dogs. he tryed to pick on my pit when all the dogs were running around playing. he just kept poking her with his nose and nipping. he decide that he was going to grawl at her face to face. well as you all know a pit will never back down. she che growled lifted her tail flex her muscles and barked and jumped at him. he ran away from her as she chased him. he never even came near her ever again. you can teach a dog to have a higher tolerances to other dogs but sometimes to much is to much. and if you have confident pit little dogs will never really get to them. no little dog is any kind of threat to my dog in her eyes. i believe pitbulls can go to dog parks but only if you know what you dog is going to do be for he does it. always watch them and watch the signals they are giving off. and keep in mind that a other dog might start the fight but your pitbull will end it. so make sure your dog knows drop it and leave it.
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ive been taking my pit the dog park since she was 8 weeks old shes now 2. i just have to watch for small dogs that really are not even supposed to with the big dog. she trys to dominate them never bites them. when pits are at dog park the other dogs know they ged up from the feet up so i think fights dog happen alot. there was a dog (golden) at the dog park that had bitten a couple other dogs. he tryed to pick on my pit when all the dogs were running around playing. he just kept poking her with his nose and nipping. he decide that he was going to grawl at her face to face. well as you all know a pit will never back down. she che growled lifted her tail flex her muscles and barked and jumped at him. he ran away from her as she chased him. he never even came near her ever again. you can teach a dog to have a higher tolerances to other dogs but sometimes to much is to much. and if you have confident pit little dogs will never really get to them. no little dog is any kind of threat to my dog in her eyes. i believe pitbulls can go to dog parks but only if you know what you dog is going to do be for he does it. always watch them and watch the signals they are giving off. and keep in mind that a other dog might start the fight but your pitbull will end it. so make sure your dog knows drop it and leave it.
Thats the biggest loads of *&^% I have read on here. you cant teach a dog to have a higher tolerance and the behaviour you just described that your dog did is leading to a fight. Why do you put your dog ina position to fail? when something happens its gonna end up in the media and look bad on all us responsible owners. Like you said your dog wont back down if confronted , many dogs WILL and CAN start fights our breed will more then likely FINISH they fight then who looks bad. You are setting this dog and breed up to fail with your non sense. Read this thread in full its gives numerous reasons why this breed should not be in the dog parks. Drop it and leave it wont do nothing when they are in fight mode obviously you have never been present in a fight very rarely do they even hear you. Taking them to the dog park is NEVER a good thing to do, for more reasons then just fighting.
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because she dont think her dog will fight for some reason. she thinks that show dogs and game apbts are 2 different horses when it comes to d.a. and fights when some game bred dogs have good confirmation and can get shown. i also dont think she is open to the history of the dogs.


imo once you understand the history and accept it or come to terms with it and accept the fact that at some point in history your dogs ancestors where in the [] then your better prepared for an accident, also once you understand the dogs history then you will understand your limitations to wat you should and shouldnt do with your dogs like dog parks.
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because she dont think her dog will fight for some reason. she thinks that show dogs and game apbts are 2 different horses when it comes to d.a. and fights when some game bred dogs have good confirmation and can get shown. i also dont think she is open to the history of the dogs.


imo once you understand the history and accept it or come to terms with it and accept the fact that at some point in history your dogs ancestors where in the [] then your better prepared for an accident, also once you understand the dogs history then you will understand your limitations to wat you should and shouldnt do with your dogs like dog parks.
LOl @ show bred dogs wont fight , So I have american bullys { they are show bred apbt, X am staffs { more show dogs lol} } and I have DA ones who dont get along guess thats just a coincidence huh? lol I agree with you sounds like she is in denial here and doesnt know enough about the breed she owns. Hope she reads and actually lets it sink in what she is reading , cant learn anything when you are stuck in your old way of thinking.
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also just because you practice drop and leave it doesn't mean that in a highly stressful situation your dog will be able to listen or concentrate on you. a ball and another dogs neck are 2 different things. You need to prevent the problem from happening in the first place, not be there in case it does...
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@bowers in the pirahna dog thread you said you been around apbts your whole life i got a question.

so if you've been around pit bulls your whole life and then why do you not think they will fight when you take them to a dog park or have them around other dogs? im not trying to be mean or anything i been around these dogs less than 6 years and im barely on my first year of living with one, and i can testify that these dogs can fight out of now where. my neighbor had it happen while i was at home, and i know of people who had it happen 2 apbts dogs been best friends never had an issue then outta no where you got a fight.
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wow i have 4 pits 1 is 4yrs old the other one is 3 the other one is 1 and the last one is a baby only 2 months im always at the dog parks and my older pit is always getting picked on since he was a puppy several times he gets bitten but he has never bitten back they never got into fights and they always getting beat up by german sheperds i really think is the way they were raised
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wow i have 4 pits 1 is 4yrs old the other one is 3 the other one is 1 and the last one is a baby only 2 months im always at the dog parks and my older pit is always getting picked on since he was a puppy several times he gets bitten but he has never bitten back they never got into fights and they always getting beat up by german sheperds i really think is the way they were raised
Its not in how they are raised. Its an accident waiting to happen, why risk it?
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Originally Posted by ames View Post
Its not in how they are raised. Its an accident waiting to happen, why risk it?
and the threat of parvo and other illnesses from a dog park.
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Pit Bull is a fighting dog bred down from many generations of fighting dogs to even consider raising one of these dogs as a pet you must understand this and accept it-even if you are totally opposed to dog fighting. No matter how you raise this dog he will still be a Pit Bull not a golden retriever!


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