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Old 10-07-2010, 01:32 PM   #16 (permalink)
 
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Yeah, I heard the judge was a little... interesting. We've never gone to a show and taken flat-out nothing. (Well, won a treadmill in the raffle but no placements.) More often than not, our dogs get some kind of placement. They need to start announcing the judges on the ADBA's calendar so I can avoid this one in the future. LOL!
Yeah I'm with you..lol We rarely go to a show where the majority of the dogs we take dont place, and we took 10 dogs with 2 placing...lol I saw Casey out there in C of C with his awesome bitch (who beat me 3 out of 4 times in Cleburne last nov when I had Jewels out there with me getting the last one because he left early..lmao) and thought for sure he had the 1st...wow he didn't even get pulled out!!

I've got a few judges I just don't like showing under because I know they don't like my dogs..lol G. Hammonds is one that usually doesn't place my dogs well unless its a black dog..lmao R. Kuntz I refuse to show under due to his actions in the show ring when he's NOT judging, and now I'll keep in mind Ms. Williams who apparently doesn't like my dogs either..lol Course I'll show under Hammonds, and Williams, but I won't get my hopes up..lol Ew it happens...

Then on the other hand there are quite a few judges that I'd follow around the country..lmao

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Yeah, I heard the judge was a little... interesting. We've never gone to a show and taken flat-out nothing. (Well, won a treadmill in the raffle but no placements.) More often than not, our dogs get some kind of placement. They need to start announcing the judges on the ADBA's calendar so I can avoid this one in the future. LOL!
Bonnie is a great judge and to expect to always place is a little big headed don't you think? It is national after all and people said the same thing last year when the judge came from Italy. His picks were not the normal picks and really it depends on who your competition is that day in the ring and what the judge is looking for. Conformation is after the ADBA standard but every judge is different in what they are looking for and what faults are more important to them. If it's the AKC, UKC, or ADBA you have to remember you are paying someone for their opinion of your dog nothing more. That is why breed Ch's mean little to some ppl because it just means you have a pretty dog and says little else about character and heart. Bonnie places nice dogs and has been breeding for years and I do believe her lines she bred started BnB kennels breeding program. Many of her dogs were the foundation stock for that kennel. She knows bulldogs and why she was selected to judge nationals.

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Bonnie is a great judge and to expect to always place is a little big headed don't you think? It is national after all and people said the same thing last year when the judge came from Italy. His picks were not the normal picks and really it depends on who your competition is that day in the ring and what the judge is looking for. Conformation is after the ADBA standard but every judge is different in what they are looking for and what faults are more important to them. If it's the AKC, UKC, or ADBA you have to remember you are paying someone for their opinion of your dog nothing more. That is why breed Ch's mean little to some ppl because it just means you have a pretty dog and says little else about character and heart. Bonnie places nice dogs and has been breeding for years and I do believe her lines she bred started BnB kennels breeding program. Many of her dogs were the foundation stock for that kennel. She knows bulldogs and why she was selected to judge nationals.

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I actually don't think was being a little big headed, she was just making a statement. And really if you tend to take your dogs to alot of shows, and consistantly place under alot of different judges I would expect you to think you were going to place, if not why do you go to the shows? lol Heck, I expected to do better than we did, but I KNOW I'm inclined to think ALL of my dogs are the best in the ring whether they place or not..lol That is the point, isn't it? Otherwise why would you be out there?

Nothing against Bonnie Williams at all, as you stated every judge is different even if the standard is set, as much as we don't like it personal preference DOES play a role in judging. I thought Bonnie Williams was a really nice lady, and she's been in the dogs a very, very long time and was a good choice for a nationals judge. Nationals was a blast, and win or lose I think everyone there had a great time. I
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and dang it... I just saw where you (bahamutt99) won the treadmill... the hubbie had a ton of tickets trying to win that and got like 2 tshirts and some other little things instead..lmao
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Yeah, what LR said. Lisa, when you know you're bringing nice dogs and the judge really doesn't even look at what you've got, it can be a bit off-putting. As far as avoiding her in the future, so? If you think the top dogs don't do a degree of judge-chasing, you're fooling yourself. Oh BTW, which dog was it that Casey had? It was probably Ani, the red bitch with the black mask? There were 4 siblings at that show I think. My Terra was in 3-5 females, and Kiddo, Ani and Osiris were all in the CH class. I've been scouring peoples' photo albums of the show on Facebook, and I haven't found us yet, dangit. LOL!

Oh, and that dang treadmill. I went through hell coercing my treadmill down from St. Louis and we win this one like 2 weeks after. LOL!
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I got to spend time with Bonny she was very nice and good judge in the way she did things. But to come to a nationals not thinking you are going to do well is much worse than thinking your going to win. It was hard because to me there was a lack of consistency in the picks. But sure enough when I asked her she had everything written down showing why she made the picks she did. Oh and my wife was the girly selling all those raffle tickets. She thought she was just sales women of the year. She really enjoyed her first show.
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Old 10-08-2010, 06:37 PM   #22 (permalink)
 
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You said it Rudy! Lack of consistancy in her picks...

Not sure which one Casey had, I just know when he has a bitch in there the competition goes WAYYYY up..lol Its the girl that always jumps up on him when he trys to walk her out..lmao

Well if you don't need that treadmill I could always use it..lmao
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Hmm. Well, as far as I know he's only got the two females. One has pups that are like 3 months old, so I can't imagine she's in any shape for the competition. The other would have to be miss Animatrix, who is definitely a springy little beast. LOL!
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Yeah I'm with you..lol We rarely go to a show where the majority of the dogs we take dont place, and we took 10 dogs with 2 placing...lol I saw Casey out there in C of C with his awesome bitch (who beat me 3 out of 4 times in Cleburne last nov when I had Jewels out there with me getting the last one because he left early..lmao) and thought for sure he had the 1st...wow he didn't even get pulled out!!

I've got a few judges I just don't like showing under because I know they don't like my dogs..lol G. Hammonds is one that usually doesn't place my dogs well unless its a black dog..lmao R. Kuntz I refuse to show under due to his actions in the show ring when he's NOT judging, and now I'll keep in mind Ms. Williams who apparently doesn't like my dogs either..lol Course I'll show under Hammonds, and Williams, but I won't get my hopes up..lol Ew it happens...

Then on the other hand there are quite a few judges that I'd follow around the country..lmao
They way you said it Lindsay was not put as well as LR post right before yours. It just sounded very conceded and did not look well. Sportsman ship goes a long way and after nationals so ppl made them selves look like fools and I am not talking about you. LR's post is very humble and honest and one reason I just love her kennel and what she does with the dogs.

Anyway..... Yeah I know ppl chase judges to put odds in their favor and I have been guilty of that too. If I could follow two judged around who always put me on top multiple times I would! lol I also have a few I will never show under again because the politics in what they put up was so obvious. You like to stack your odds in the ring and really I would I could travel more but can't right now, at least not for ADBA.
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Well I can't wait for next year, thank god it will NOT be the same weekend as UKC and it will be in my neck of the woods.. I can't wait!!
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I can't wait til Nationals next year either!! 2 years in a row close enough for me to go!!!
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Welll if its what I heard it is suppose to be in Cleburne, TX.... SOOOOO hoping that its true!!!
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