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Old 12-22-2013, 03:21 PM   #46 (permalink)
 
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Yeah I honestly love these kinda threads I learn so much. I definitely agree that there should be a thread on the different styles. Who woulda even knew the dogs had different styles?


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Old 12-22-2013, 03:44 PM   #47 (permalink)
 
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But isn't that the dogs that they started wanting to breed?, the man biters? And by "they" I mean the ghetto crap you talk about. Isn't that what ruined the reputation? Nobody believes me when I tell them they were not bred to be human aggressive. They always come back with "well then what are the dogs you hear about killing people".
What controls the public thought process, and has more power than any president or pope? Bingo, you're correct, the media. Now, when the media learned of this breed, they saw a story the public would buy. The stories that came out, about the mean fighting pit bulls who fight to the death, are fed blood, have jaws of death, etc terrified many in society,,,,but also captured the evil imaginations of thugs in the inner cities. Many have probably heard of all the forms of abuse used on these dogs, from locking them in the dark from puppyhood, to beating them, keeping them anti-social, and so forth. In essence, the media was the inventor of the "pit bull" mentality still out there today, and as Stratton said, they became a fulfilled prophecy. All those inner city thugs in the 1980's saw what they wanted all along, a vicious killer of a dog. The media was responsible, and still is, for all the abuse that happens, and for promoting manbiters among the scum who breed them.

When I was a boy I met a man who was a prodigy of Bob Wallace, and he put the blame on dogmen for this, even if indirectly. He stated that many of them had large yards, and when fighting became a felony the dogs were no longer of any use to them. So instead of putting them down like they should have, they sold them, to MANY of the wrong people. He said "those damn thugs (he used another word) that can't even change a babies diaper are going to ruin this breed. They don;t deserve children, let alone a bulldog."

Human aggressiveness SHOULD be culled always, but a peddler don;t care about that. A back yard breeder is one who cares about the money and not the quality of the dog. Also, the fearful and frightened dogs need culled as well. It is genetic and dogs like that can do nothing to help the breed or its image. Other dogs have post traumatic stress from bad owners; I believe, personally, these dogs need put down too, because all dogs of unsound mind have that quality I mentioned earlier: unpredictability. Can never trust them dogs, and you never know when they are gonna snap.
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Old 12-22-2013, 03:55 PM   #48 (permalink)
 
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I am so glad I did not buy a dog that coulda ended up like that.

Do you know how many times I've been approached by "thugs" whether on Venice beach or even Ventura blvd trying to sell me a gorgeous blue eyed blue "pit bull" for $200? At LEAST 5 times. This is what I woulda gotten, guaranteed.

One of my friends back in NY has an Italian mastiff/Cane Corso, he used to have a "pit bull" and said it was the craziest dog ever. Even used to attack him and unfortunately now he thinks that is how they are suppose to be. Said THEY are crazy dogs instead of looking at his dog as an individual and badly bred.

I don't think ppl will ever change their minds unless they have a positive EXPERIENCE with a bulldog. Which kind of makes me feel good that I've been able to change a few ppls opinions on them since I've had my boy. Can't change them all, but it's a lot better then none at all.


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Old 12-22-2013, 11:22 PM   #49 (permalink)
 
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Awsome thread! Learned a lot
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Old 12-22-2013, 11:49 PM   #50 (permalink)
 
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When u guys talk about the silent type is this for experienced dogs who were used to fighting or any game dog in general?

Today he did his head thing sunk low watched the rat terrier and pounced. I grabbed his collar right away and pulled him off. The rat terrier is usually the aggressive one but the sounds she was making weren't aggressive it sounded like she was scared and getting attacked. I don't know if this was an attack or not. I honestly don't think he had her in his mouth, she'd be hurt or dead. It happened all so fast and of course everyone screaming didn't make it better. He's always supervised around my moms dog which is why I was able to react as fast as I did. And now it's not like he wants at her again. It happened and it was over. I just am confused to as what it was bc yeah I'm not gonna lie, I've seen him play with little dogs before at work and it didn't look like this.


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Old 12-23-2013, 12:33 AM   #51 (permalink)
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If i had to take a guess what mr abernathy means is kinda like a 4/5/ year old dog just laying around watching all the younguns jump and yapping. He's just laying there done proved his worth and thinkin '''yep yall can do allllll the barking and shit yall want to...but if you ever get just a bit closer yo ASS is mine'''

that make sence???lol
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Old 12-23-2013, 12:43 AM   #52 (permalink)
 
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Yes it does lol


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Old 12-23-2013, 01:01 AM   #53 (permalink)
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Sometimes, actually a lot of times when a dog of any breed is playing they will go into stalk mode -- and wait for the perfect moment to surprise the other dog, much like cats do when they play. This is all just in play. If he was wanting to attack and kill that other dog he would have done it.
It's always a good idea to keep an eye on him but to me it sounds like he is just playing.

Now my dog Pyra IS a stealth attack dog lol! She never barks, growls or anything. But the second my foster dog passed near her Pyra tried to grab her through the kennel. It took me off guard the first time she did that. And she does the same thing on walks. Walks great until that other dog is a foot away and then she goes for it. Wags her tail like a friendly dog and people see this and just assume "awww she wants to say hi to my dog" um, no she doesn't.
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Old 12-23-2013, 01:49 AM   #54 (permalink)
 
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So if he really really wanted to attack her it woulda happened then right? It wouldn't take much honestly, she can fit in his mouth lol

How do I know he isn't pulling a Pyra lol


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Cuz she'd be dead lol! But since he is a bully breed you never know when the switch might turn on so it's wise to watch him. It seems they think small dogs are either puppies which is a good thing....or they think they are rabbits... not so good...haha!
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That's what I'm trying to figure out!! for the past week my guess would be rabbit bc his prey drives been crazy lately


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I'd say its time to keep them always separate if he starts chasing after her and she doesn't like it, even if he is playing....because once a little dog shows its panicking that is when a lot of dogs regardless of breed decide to attack....and with these breeds it wouldn't end well.
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They usually are separated. She was coming in from her walk on her way to "her territory" and he's never unsupervised which was how I was able to grab him so fast. I know all he'd have to do is the kill shake and she's done for. For a split second I really thought it was gonna be bad I really did but stayed as calm as possible I dunno how


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Good job on staying calm!
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Well put Goemon. I'll bet that everyone old enough remembers that in the 70's and early 80's you never heard of a bulldog biting anyone! That was due to knowledgeable owners, dog men, kept this breed and used them responsibly and taught others that they gave or sold dogs to as well. Then wannabes began to get dogs, and being a cur they soon turned their so called pitbulls into curs like themselves. Curs bow up, growl, and use all sorts of tactics to make you think they're bad, like owning a "pit bulldog"! And these darn dogs are smart as any, hard headed stubborn, but smart, which reminds me of something Dieselsmommie said, lets talk about styles, I'll start, then ya'll straighten me out!
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