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Old 04-14-2009, 01:37 AM   #1 (permalink)
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would you or would you not breed this

ok, say you have a dog that has great conformation, has drive for days, is a complete workhorse, and excels in any sport be it wp, sch agility, etc , etc. the only down fall is the dog is shy. not a man biter, or even aggresive, just plain out shy. would you breed the dog or would you not.. please post reasons for why and why not
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Old 04-14-2009, 01:42 AM   #2 (permalink)
 
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I don't know a thing about breeding but I would assume that this dog would be okay to breed. I'm under the impression that pups/dogs develop their own personalities and its not always true that the temperament of the parents are going to pass on into the pup.....Also I wouldn't think shyness would be an inherited trait.

thats just what I've heard but im no expert
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how shy? how old?
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Old 04-14-2009, 02:02 AM   #4 (permalink)
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lets say 4 yeras old, does not aproach humans besides its owners and prefers little human interaction.
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well putting it like that with the dog only approaching its owner then I would probably not breed because a APBT is supposed to be very people friendly. If the dog was just shy and took a few minutes to warm up to new people thats a differant story
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Depends on the reasoning for it being shy. Is the dog just naturally shy tho every attempt has been made to socialize and work with the dog? If the dog is shy due to environment and raising then yes, but only if it has no aggression or shyness aggression issues.

If the dog has just always been that way Then normally I would say no however is it is a good worker then yes.

My thing about shy dogs is they don't usually do as well in sports but if the dogs shyness doesn't effect that and it has no aggression issues and doesn't come from a history of dogs with shyness issues I wouldn't see a problem with it .
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Old 04-14-2009, 02:38 AM   #7 (permalink)
 
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my Bundy is the same he's fine with females but barks and backs off from males doesn't get aggresive towards them and a min later is walking around fine then unless they move then he runs away again but i have no reason to breed him he's just my pet,

but back to your question how old was he/she when you got him/her, who you get it off, and how was it treaded i think these things have to come into play to determine if its a inherited trait or something put onto him/her so to speak
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Old 04-14-2009, 04:59 AM   #8 (permalink)
 

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I had a female that was shy when I got her at 14 weeks. The people who had her didn't socialize her at all. She was left in a pen and fed in a pig trough. They didn't want to get attached to her so they barely even petted her. She got lots of love when she came home with me and even tho she stayed shy she did good in conformation. I bred her to a very outgoing wp dog and she was a good mom. None of the puppies was shy,one went on to be a conformation champion. So I think it would mostly depend on whether the shyness is due to environmental or heredity. Some shy dogs are fear biters but since the dog is not it might be possible that he would be okay to breed. But it really depends on why he is so shy. He's got everything a you could want but the shyness does bother me. I know that a lot of sites will tell you to stay away from shy puppies because they are usually not of stable temperament. I'm kinda torn on this one but at 4 and still really shy...is he just really laid back or does he back away when he's around other people and not want to be touched?
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Old 04-14-2009, 07:24 AM   #9 (permalink)
 
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I have a bitch the same way and I would breed her because I know the dogs in her line (because I bred her and own several of her dogs on her ped) and they do not throw shy does. I think it is more personality than genetic. She is not aggressive but would rather not interact with the general public. She will just ignore them and and stay focused on me.
Now the problem is when (like said in an earlier post) people do not understand the difference between a genetic problem and a socialization problem. Yes Genetically you can pass on bad temperaments. Princesstrish made the statement that gets this breed in trouble. YOU CAN pass this on to offspring that is why you see dogs in the news. People breed crappy dogs and make more crappy dogs.

Back to the OP yes from what you describe I would breed the dog. This is what I would do. Breed the dog and evaluate the litter when they are 12 weeks. Any weird temperaments and I would cull the litter and spay the bitch. IMO
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Any weird temperaments and I would cull the litter and spay the bitch. IMO

Wow! Its gonna be hard to tell too much at only 12 wks old. I wouldnt "take chances" with a breeding either. You should know what youre producing before its ever produced. If you produce a litter, you should be responsible enough to take care of what you have created. Not just "get rid" of the problem by killing it off.
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Old 04-14-2009, 11:27 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I probably wouldn't breed the dog because shyness is not a desired trait.

I guess it would depend on what I was breeding for and if the pros outweighed the cons. I mean, if it was back in the day and the dog was game as game got, then ya, I'd breed. If it was a working dog for the farm and the dog worked from sun up to sun down, then ya, I'd breed. If I was breeding for sports, then no. I really don't know how great a shy dog would be in sports.

So, I don't know. It would depend on what I was breeding for and what the dog had to offer. If I thought that the shyness could be overlooked based on other traits, then yes. If the other traits were not strong enough to justify the breeding, then no.

This is all hypothetical, right?
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Wow! Its gonna be hard to tell too much at only 12 wks old. I wouldnt "take chances" with a breeding either. You should know what youre producing before its ever produced. If you produce a litter, you should be responsible enough to take care of what you have created. Not just "get rid" of the problem by killing it off.
Where people like it or not culling is an important part of breeding no matter what animal you breed.
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This is a very good discussion Wayne.

I guess I would breed her. Since she excells at everything she does I think that her shyness would steam from lack of sociallizing when she was a puppy and not a traite that was passed along by her parents. Since she is 4yrs old and doesn't show any fear aggression I would tend to think that the puppies she produced would be good workers.



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Yes, I know. But you shouldnt kill off an entire litter because of one "bad apple". Culling may have been fine 50 years ago, but not anymore. I hardly consider shyness a trait worth culling. The proper way would be spay/neuter and place in a pet only home. If you were responsible enough to produce it, you should be responsible enough to take care of it. You should NEVER put down healthy dog, unless it was human aggressive.
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I am not a breeder but If I were and had an extremely shy pup I would try and work with that pup first .. I have one dog now who was extremely shy when I first got her at about 2 months old .. It took a few months of working with her but she eventually grew out of it. I personally would only cull for medical reasons or severe temperment flaws such as HA. There could be many reasons for a pup being shy ... If the breeder who bred the dog did not properly socialize the pup at a very early age and spend enough time with the puppy hands on before it was placed that could cause some issues. In general I think if you can't break out the shyness in the pup than the dog should be spayed/neutered and placed in a pet bull home not killed that is if your a working kennel breeding working dogs. But I personally would not want a working dog who had any issues with temperment being shy would not work if the dog is supposed to be a working dog. I would also never breed a dog who was not sound in both structure and temperment. Regardless of how many titles the dog had if a breeder knows how to properly select a mate to breed out the undesired trait than I would say yes. But I don't know how that is done or of it's even possible to breed out undesired temperment flaws because I am not a breeder. So I am just throwing it out there.
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