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Old 06-24-2009, 04:30 PM   #1 (permalink)
 

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Man, I feel so bad. I've been working with Kaiser for a long time now to get his dog/animal aggression under control. It's been years in the making and I've gotten to the point where we can walk and pass other dogs or cats without him freaking out (unless the other dog gets too close or challenges him). Long story short, last night around 10 pm I let him out in my back yard to do his duty before going to bed and he did, just fine. All of a sudden he shoots to my back fence (which backs to a green belt/field) and was at the fence growling so I figured there was a skunk or raccoon or some animal on the other side. I called him back and he was starting to turn around when out of no where this DUMB cat (house cat by the by) jumps up onto the fence and stalks him. So of course Kaiser is back at the fence just going crazy. I run over to him (about 10 feet) and before I can even hit the cat off the fence it JUMPS at my dog. I'm frozen in utter disbelief that this cat just went after a dog that by all means in the world is trying to kill it. He gets a hold of the cat and starts shaking it I grab my dog and yell "Drop it" as soon as I have a hold of him he lets go and is down. The cat runs off over the fence and is gone. I bring my dog in and his face is all scratched, his mouth is all scratched, and I think the cat may have bitten him a few times. I was so upset I was crying and angry. I just feel like it is a huge set back when I've been working so hard. My b/f said not to be so upset because any dog would have acted the same way of another animal entered its yard and did the same thing, but still I was/am just dismayed.

I was thinking that any cat that would have acted that way must have been protecting something? I don't know, but to be on the other side of the fence and come over to the side with a dog trying to kill you just doesn't make any sense to me. I'm at a complete loss.
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Old 06-24-2009, 05:35 PM   #2 (permalink)
 
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well, I have to say I agree with your bf. Kaiser responded to being attacked. He listened to you when you commanded him. Some cats are crazy. I have had contact with many cats who will hiss and lunge at any dog they see as a threat. With an average dog, this tactic USUALLY makes the dog run off. A lot of people who own both cats and dogs actually let the cat and dog face off and go through the whole clawing/biting incident to "teach the dog to leave the cat alone". It's not a wise idea, IMO. If this cat was a house cat and had owners like that, he probably thought he SHOULD attack Kaiser to get Kaiser away even though Kaiser was in his own yard. As long as Kaiser is ok, I would say the fact you could get Kaiser to release the cat is a HUGE victory.
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Old 06-24-2009, 05:45 PM   #3 (permalink)
 

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well, I have to say I agree with your bf. Kaiser responded to being attacked. He listened to you when you commanded him. Some cats are crazy. I have had contact with many cats who will hiss and lunge at any dog they see as a threat. With an average dog, this tactic USUALLY makes the dog run off. A lot of people who own both cats and dogs actually let the cat and dog face off and go through the whole clawing/biting incident to "teach the dog to leave the cat alone". It's not a wise idea, IMO. If this cat was a house cat and had owners like that, he probably thought he SHOULD attack Kaiser to get Kaiser away even though Kaiser was in his own yard. As long as Kaiser is ok, I would say the fact you could get Kaiser to release the cat is a HUGE victory.
I was thinking that, but I was just so surprised the cat actually lunged at him. He's fine, a little mopey, but I think it might be due to me being upset, like he knew he wasn't supposed to do that but just reacted. Also a little more eager/on edge b/c of what happened, so I'm keeping him inside for a few days until he calms down. All in all he's fine though, nothing a little neosporin wont heal.

He's really good with his commands, always responsive. Even if we are walking and he gets stirred up and I tell him down or leave it he does down or keeps going. I just feel bad for him, the cat, the cats owners. It just sucked all around.
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sounds like my 16 yr old cat. Some cats are just more ballsy than other. We have 3 cats. All different personality. The youngest is the most friendly and loves everything our middle ager kinda peaks at the dog and like to watch from a distance. Now our old boy hes always been a fighter. Cats dogs, u name it he is game. He will bite scratch and go after just about any animal other than his "brothers".

Sounds like my cat came to visit ya. lol. I wouldnt worry.

Think of it as tho the cat was a person. I know your dog isnt HA, but just for an example of how smart dogs are. Lets say this cat was a man and went after you or your dog, your dog will fight back and or proctect his pack, but that doesnt mean he will go after every person.

kind of a lame example but its all i got rite now.
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Old 06-24-2009, 06:24 PM   #5 (permalink)
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My advice to you Jenna is no matter what the situation is, wether its confrontation with another dog, cat, or any other animal during and after the incident try and remain calm. I know that's hard, when emotions get the best of us, but our dogs don't know any better. They will sense that youre upset and pick up from that.

Jaime will sometimes act all shocked if chino runs into a wall (we have hardwood floors) or something like that... Like he's not gonna be ok. When it's just me, I don't pay it much attention. I don't want him thinking that his playing is a cause for my concern. Just like i wouldnt want my dog to think im upset that he defended himself.

this happens more than you can imagine... and really, I am shocked the cat got away
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No matter what the training is you are going to have setbacks and this seemed like an extrordinary occurance. dont sweat it .Just stay calm and start again. I'm sure he will leave cats alone from now on - sometimes it takes a confontation to get the dog to leave the cat alone. Keep an eye on the cuts and ? bites. They can get "cat scratch fever" or a staph infection from cat bites and scratches. I got a staph infection from a tiny scratch on my face. I would use Bacitracin and neosporin 2x a day to make sure that they dont get infected. They are a bitch to get rid of - mine took over a month.
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Old 06-24-2009, 07:02 PM   #7 (permalink)
 

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Sounds like my cat came to visit ya. lol. I wouldnt worry.

Think of it as tho the cat was a person. I know your dog isnt HA, but just for an example of how smart dogs are. Lets say this cat was a man and went after you or your dog, your dog will fight back and or proctect his pack, but that doesnt mean he will go after every person.

kind of a lame example but its all i got rite now.
lol about your cat, I had a calico that was the same way, when Kaiser was a puppy like 8 pounds she was attack him any time she passed by him, heck even if he was sleeping.
Your right though, I know it was all just instinctive, but nonetheless I was just like DANG! Darn cat!

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My advice to you Jenna is no matter what the situation is, wether its confrontation with another dog, cat, or any other animal during and after the incident try and remain calm. I know that's hard, when emotions get the best of us, but our dogs don't know any better. They will sense that youre upset and pick up from that.

this happens more than you can imagine... and really, I am shocked the cat got away
I tried to stay calm, but I think that when I saw the cat fly off the fence I was just in complete shock. I had never seen anything like that before and it took a second for me to get my barrings again.

LOL, I'm sure the cat was hurt, but he just grabbed on and shook for a second before I grabbed him and told him to let go. It was all in the matter of 30 seconds maybe. He was panting, eyes all red. But, were spending some quality time together, I didn't punish him for what he did, b/c I don't think his actions were wrong perse, however I know he was a little nervous after and some this morning b/c I was upset last night.

Poor cat, probably got the shock of it's life. I just have to keep an eye on him for a few days, I don't know the cat so I'm hoping its UTD on it's shots (which most people don't do for cats for some reason) and wasn't sick or anything.
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Old 06-24-2009, 07:05 PM   #8 (permalink)
 

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No matter what the training is you are going to have setbacks and this seemed like an extrordinary occurance. dont sweat it .Just stay calm and start again. I'm sure he will leave cats alone from now on - sometimes it takes a confontation to get the dog to leave the cat alone. Keep an eye on the cuts and ? bites. They can get "cat scratch fever" or a staph infection from cat bites and scratches. I got a staph infection from a tiny scratch on my face. I would use Bacitracin and neosporin 2x a day to make sure that they dont get infected. They are a bitch to get rid of - mine took over a month.
Sorry I post slow. Cats are his mortal downfall, dogs from a distance are fine. Cats, no way.

As for "cat scratch fever" what are the symptoms, I've never heard of it, as well as a staph infection (i've heard of staph infections I just dont know what the symptoms are or what it looks like), what should I look for? He's been a little more snoozy today than normal possibly just from the excitement? but he's drinking and eating.

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rome wasnt built in one day....theres always gonna be slip ups imo but the training makes it easier to correct
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Staph infection symptoms include a lot of swelling redness,heat and puss. You will get some redness and swelling but if it looks out of the ordinary take him to the vet. Cat scratch fever is when the infection spreads to the blood. Look for fever, swollen lymph nodes and listlesness. Bacitracin is best at killing staph. Cat bites are a lot worse than dog bites because they can cause devastating infections
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Old 06-24-2009, 08:23 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I wouldn't look at it as a set back your dog let go of the cat when you said too that is a feat al on its own. Now you need to work on his recall.



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Staph infection symptoms include a lot of swelling redness,heat and puss. You will get some redness and swelling but if it looks out of the ordinary take him to the vet. Cat scratch fever is when the infection spreads to the blood. Look for fever, swollen lymph nodes and listlesness. Bacitracin is best at killing staph. Cat bites are a lot worse than dog bites because they can cause devastating infections
Ty I googled so I know what to look out for. Darn Cats.

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I wouldn't look at it as a set back your dog let go of the cat when you said too that is a feat al on its own. Now you need to work on his recall.
I know, he was almost all they way back to me. Any suggestions on a more effective way to work on a recall? I've or rather we always struggle with this one.

And ty everyone for the support and info. I know I had my panties in a bunch about this, it was just that he had been doing so well. We haven't had any "accidents" in over 3 years and it was just one of those things where I was like "NO! we've been working SO hard and he's been doing so well!" Nonetheless ty all.
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I work my dogs on long lines. I let them play and run up to 100ft from me and when I call them and they don't come right now I start to pull them back once they are coming to me I start to praise them I love them up and send back to play. I keep doing this until they listen all the time then I try it off line.



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I work my dogs on long lines. I let them play and run up to 100ft from me and when I call them and they don't come right now I start to pull them back once they are coming to me I start to praise them I love them up and send back to play. I keep doing this until they listen all the time then I try it off line.
That might be the best suggestion I've ever gotten on recalling and it makes the most sense lol TY
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I would hate to think of what would have happened if a couple of mine had caught the cat - one dead moggy. Yours showed wonderful restraint !!!!
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