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Old 12-02-2014, 11:17 PM   #1 (permalink)
 

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My boy Wrigley is as GREAT a dog as anyone could hope for. I love him. Great natured and fun loving. He thinks he's human. No papers though but have been told he is 100% PB. What do the experts think now that he has filled out a little. 6 months old and 55 pounds. Here is link to pictures https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/
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Old 12-02-2014, 11:49 PM   #2 (permalink)
 
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My personal opinion is that he's almost certainly not purebred APBT. For one, he's blue, which is extremely rare in dogs that don't have some Staffy influence in there. And he's also built quite a bit stockier than most APBTs you'd see. Either way, he's super handsome, enjoy him for what he is
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Old 12-03-2014, 12:17 AM   #3 (permalink)
 

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Thanks for the reply, and honesty. But here is why I inquired... having trouble distinguishing what a pitbull is. Have had people tell me ... He is staffordshire all the way. also no doubt he is Bully Pit. Then American PB. It's very confusing. Because it seems everyone is an expert on what a pitbull is. I truly mean no offense in last statement. I appreciate the input. I wish I just had a better understanding. Have had people tell me that an american pitbull is nothing more than a staffordshire on the american continent. I hope you can understand my bewilderment now.
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Old 12-03-2014, 01:00 AM   #4 (permalink)
 
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It sounds like you've been dealing with a lot of misinformation. I'll try and clear it up for you a bit.

American Staffordshire Terriers were, at one point, American Pit Bull Terriers. The AKC didn't want to be associated with the pit dog aspect, so they changed the name in order to register them. Then, over the last century or so, the AmStaff has become its own breed, very much apart from the APBT, with its own breed standard and very different characteristics.

Then the American Bully came along, also incorrectly called the "Bully pit", which is believed (and I said believed because there has been a lot of confirmed and suspected paper hanging) to be a mix between APBTs and AmStaffs. Personally, I think your dog most closely resembles an American Bully.

Then there is the Staffordshire Bull Terrier (also known as English Staffy by some), which is another completely separate bully breed.

Then you have your Bull Terriers, Bulldogs, Dogos, etc.

The reason you hear so much misinformation is due to the unfortunate way that the general public and uneducated person refers to ALL of these very different breeds as "Pit Bulls".

The reality is that you can't accurately call your dog a Pit Bull unless you have proof that the dog is purebred. For all unknowns that may have bully breed characteristics, but no proof of lineage, they are mutts. That's not a bad thing and I wish more people would say so instead of labelling their dog as a breed it possibly may not even contain.

Anyways, the bully breed world can be very confusing as opinions on pretty much everything vary from person to person. It takes awhile to get educated and sift through all the bullshit, but it's well worth it.

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Hello RobT,

Without peds it is impossible to know what exact breed your boy Wrigley is. People tell me that my boy is 100% pitbull just by looking at him but because he is a rescue and of unknown lineage he is just a mixed breed dog.
After looking at all those great pictures I can tell he is well loved and taken are of. Great looking pup.

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Old 12-03-2014, 02:56 PM   #6 (permalink)
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What BCdogs said is correct. However American Bullies are not crosses between APBTs and American Staffordshires...sure they could have some APBT in there but they are Amstaffs cross with OTHER bully breed dogs like Stafforshire Bull Terriers, and massiffs for mass and stockiness.

Your dog looks more like an Amstaff or Classic American Bully in my humble opinion. But of course without a ped and seeing the bloodlines we will never know for sure.

The dogs in my signature are pure American Pit Bull Terriers....just in case you want to see some real ones. your dog is very handsome and looks well taken care of! Keep it up!!
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Old 12-03-2014, 05:12 PM   #7 (permalink)
 
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What BCdogs said is correct. However American Bullies are not crosses between APBTs and American Staffordshires...sure they could have some APBT in there but they are Amstaffs cross with OTHER bully breed dogs like Stafforshire Bull Terriers, and massiffs for mass and stockiness.

Thanks for the correction, American Bullies are still a bit confusing for me. :P
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Old 12-03-2014, 05:43 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Lots of bully people who are clueless would want you to think they are just Amstaff/APBT crosses but seriously how can two leaner built dogs make a super thick dog...with less drive than both the Amstaff and APBT? I'm sure there is some percentage of APBT in bullies but it's more likely Amstaff/Staffy bull and then various other bull breeds.

APBT/Amstaff crosses many people call "Pitterstaffs" and if those are registered right and bred right can participate in both APBT and Amstaff show events....weird and crazy...
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Old 12-03-2014, 05:48 PM   #9 (permalink)
 
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Lots of bully people who are clueless would want you to think they are just Amstaff/APBT crosses but seriously how can two leaner built dogs make a super thick dog...with less drive than both the Amstaff and APBT? I'm sure there is some percentage of APBT in bullies but it's more likely Amstaff/Staffy bull and then various other bull breeds.

That's very true. I mean, I knew that there was obviously some Mastiff and/or Bulldog influence in there, but I thought that the public story was that they were APBT/AmStaff crosses. :P Have any of the original breeders actually said what breeds they started their lines with?
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Old 12-03-2014, 07:42 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Hahahahaha... well... Genetically they're all bulldogs. Some hold true to genetic task and others do not. There are actually very FEW Pit Bulls if we are speaking genetic task. That makes the APBT genuinely one of the rarest dogs in the world.

Originally RE Bully .. first to coin the name meaning robust PitBull essentially then the craze took over. Papers were rung and dogs were bred in as UKC or ADBA or whatever APBTs .. or ASTs many dogs in RE ped were both. Tacoma Jack for instance and the foundation to xpert and ruffian can be found in some tudor dogs as well. THUS genetically they're all bulldogs. Some hold true to genetic task .. others are oversized boston terriers. Just to add clarity it was not the original breeders of the Bully that crossed in all the other breeds.. that was the fanciers and their craze.

Pit Bull is a working term original and meant what it states. "the original bulldog was thrown into the [] and forever dubbed what??? Pit Bull .. When the UKC founded itself to be an American Pit Bull Terrier registered with them a working dog kennel club.. the dog had to have 2 wins against an opponent with 2 wins or more just to be registered. ... UKC flip the script and ADBA picked up performance bred dogs. Now days.. PIT BULL encompasses 6 Breeds directly APBT, AST, SBT, BT, AmBllDg,Bully.. up to 40 indirectly .. as the term has be come a slang term to the masses. When really Pit needs to be gone from their tongue, cause most have never seen one.

They are all of each other and only few hold true to genetic task ... Bulldog.. they just look like the counterparts.



You gotta bulldog nothing more nothing less the most genuine answer.. unless you use the word mix like so many then its a loss of integrity saying Pit mix the most honest answer. Remember honesty and truth are not always synonymous. Take what you will and leave the rest...
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Old 12-04-2014, 01:12 AM   #11 (permalink)
 

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I truly appreciate all of the responses. Butas you can see... a lot of confusion. I think the common ground is that all want to feel that they have a special dog... nothing wrong with that. Wrigley was a gift to me for retirement from coaching.I did not want him because he was a PIT. Believed the Hype. I was wrong to listen. He is a great dog and whatever lineage he is... he is special to me. I look forward to seeing him every day. Have had several ask if he will be available to stud because of his looks and personality and just wanted to be clearer on what he was. What he is ... is a great friend.
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Old 12-04-2014, 03:17 AM   #12 (permalink)
 
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he's really big for his age to be honest. (if we are saying pit bull) in comaprison my biggest male is right at 47 lbs @ 2yo and thats chain weight (i should say couch weight haha). what a beautiful dog though. hes fairly well balanced imo
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Old 12-04-2014, 03:34 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Why would you want to breed him? I'm sure he is a great dog, but that is not a reason to stud him out. There are way too many dogs out there just like him. Why add to the problem?
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Team Courter stud would only be to quality owners that i know personally and for no stud fee. He was a gift to me and i hppe that others might enjoy as well. And to be honest I'm quite proud of his demeanor... not a mean bone in his body. He lays down to play with small dogs. He has been a great ambassador for pits. I hope to add a playmate at the two year mark. I am told you want to raise from puppy to ensure demeanor is good.

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Old 12-04-2014, 03:25 PM   #15 (permalink)
 

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RobT, when breeding dogs you need to look deeper into the lineage than your dog alone. Just because he is a good boy doesn't mean his lineage is. Personally I would not breed an unproven dog. By proven I do not mean in the []. There are many ways today to prove a dog. Titled in conformation or sport, successful hog dog, etc.

With all the bulldogs that end up in shelters it is irresponsible to breed an unproven dog. Your thought process, while I am sure only has the best intentions, is big part what leads to the overflow of bull dogs in shelters, or low quality dogs being turned out.

This is just my opinion, but it is one shared by many here. whatever you do, good luck and enjoy your pup!
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