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Old 06-01-2015, 03:59 PM   #1 (permalink)
 
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Blue APBT

Didn't we have a thread about this? What are your guys opinions on people calling a blue dog an APBT? I'm just curious because kinda got into a heated debate with someone on this subject. In the show world do you ever see this? I'm going to hang on to my opinion for now just curious,
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Old 06-01-2015, 04:03 PM   #2 (permalink)
 
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Oh and the person i discussed this with said they bred for color at that point i said i need to stop this discussion i was so annoyed. I see people say things all that time about these dogs that drives me insane i swear if i said something every time i'd probably end up having a heart attack.
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Old 06-02-2015, 03:07 AM   #3 (permalink)
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This is a heated debate. Personally a blue dog to me has Amstaff influence if it's being shown in ADBA. Back then blue dogs were culled due to skin issues and other things. So no they didn't breed for color but blue was NOT common. It is common in AmStaffs.

If someone claims to have a full APBT and that dog is blue- show me that ped it's almost guaranteed to have a bit of AMstaff
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This is a heated debate. Personally a blue dog to me has Amstaff influence if it's being shown in ADBA. Back then blue dogs were culled due to skin issues and other things. So no they didn't breed for color but blue was NOT common. It is common in AmStaffs.

If someone claims to have a full APBT and that dog is blue- show me that ped it's almost guaranteed to have a bit of AMstaff


I agree. The closest I've personally seen to a blue ADBA-type dog had some RE about 5 gens back. But then this brings up a question I have been wondering about:

At what point does it become an APBT again if it has some AmStaff/AmBully influence? Is it forever not purebred even if there's only one other dog with another breed in the ped waaaay back? Or is there a certain amount of generations of purity that would again make it an APBT. I have talked to one breeder who says he wouldn't breed a dog with anything but APBT in the last 5 gens. Is that far back enough? What do you guys think?
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Old 06-02-2015, 02:47 PM   #5 (permalink)
 
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and i agree too i said show me the ped. I often just keep to myself on any discussions with this breed because i end up getting to annoyed. lol

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Old 06-03-2015, 01:02 AM   #6 (permalink)
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I wouldn't want anything with ANY Amstaff in there if I what a purebred dog. I want my peds to go back to gamebred dogs....


If an AMstaff or bully is in there it's a mixed breed.
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Old 06-03-2015, 05:50 AM   #7 (permalink)
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genetically, isn't it possible?
if blue is a dilution of black. then blue would naturally occur from time to time in any breed with black variations. i understand blue dogs were historically unacceptable and removed from breeding programs. but the fact that blue dogs did appear in quality breeding programs prove they exist.
a litter of pups, 6 black and 1 blue, is not a litter of 6 apbt and 1 amstaff.
or is it?
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Old 06-03-2015, 03:21 PM   #8 (permalink)
 
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Like Coach mentioned I guess you would have to go by the ped. So if we can find a ped for a blue w/ no am staff involved then yes its possible. But rare.
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Oh it's possible. But dilutes in general are not common in the APBT. This breed was not a breed bred for color yet blue dogs if and when they popped up were culled. Therefore the dogmen of days past had reason to do so, skin issues, lack of gameness, man biters, etc. basically there was something genetically off and that is why they culled them back then if they popped up therefore making them very uncommon.
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You will never find a 'blue' with a true led with all game dogs in the first 3 generations....
Tell them to put their gold where their mouth is,
Then call me.....
We'll go out to dinner with the winnings....
You know the adba changed their regs.....
Now they separate them....
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