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Old 08-31-2009, 04:14 AM   #31 (permalink)
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I'd slap that kid right upside his head. But I am mean and stern like that
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wow, sounds kinda like a situation of somone else i know (brother in-laws sister), only their son isnt that crazy but he did get kicked out of a school or two. anyway they cant get him to listen so they sent him to his uncles house for a week to beat some sense into him, he got home and a day latter was back to his old self.

like said before its all about the parents, you might get him to change for some time but with out the parents behind you or anyone else trying to help its a lost cause. good luck
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Old 08-31-2009, 06:32 AM   #33 (permalink)
 
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My nephew is a child sociopath, he lives in a special school. He draws pics of killing people for infractions like picking scabs. He loves animals, but then gets mad and kills them. He stabbed a hamster. If they wont deal with it, they will learn the hard way unfortunately.
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Old 08-31-2009, 01:03 PM   #34 (permalink)
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does anyone know how children become like this?
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Old 08-31-2009, 02:37 PM   #36 (permalink)
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I think some people are born with a predisposition, but like our dogs who are born with the predisposition to be DA, if it's not worked with properly they have no way of knowing how to cope with the feelings or lack there of inside.

Collin is a wonderful child for the most part for me and my parents. We reason with him and don't treat him like a child and he blossoms, but as soon as either of his parents or grandparents walk through the door it's right back to his old ways.

The one thing I can gripe about is that he'll sneak behind my back... if i tell him no candy, he'll wait until I go to sleep and sneak in my pantry. If I tell him to leave the "mean dog alone because she might bite you" he makes sure he lets her out of her cage while I'm in the other room. I tell him not to feed the dog because she's sick and he does it anyway.

I've seen him around 4 years old get angry at his mom and then walk away and go to their english Mastiff and pull his face skin as hard as he can.
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OMG. I would NOT cease in trying to get this kid some help. Seems like the coroner could evaluate him or something. He has some serious behavior disorder stuff going on and this will escalate into something really ugly if the parents don't do something.
NORMAL mean little kids don't act this way.
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Old 08-31-2009, 04:58 PM   #38 (permalink)
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Maybe you could give O.J. a call...

But really, someone needs to give him a REAL reason to cry, but maybe that's just how I was raised...
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Old 08-31-2009, 05:16 PM   #39 (permalink)
 
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But really, someone needs to give him a REAL reason to cry, but maybe that's just how I was raised...
That might work OZ but it might back fire as well. It might make him more self reliant and that would not be a good thing. Since he is torturing animals I couldn't imagine what he might do if he was made to cry and then thought since they made me cry someone else is going to cry. You know like and eye for an eye. It seems to me he needs to get help from some where. JMO
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But really, someone needs to give him a REAL reason to cry, but maybe that's just how I was raised...
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sounds to me like you need to voice your concerns to DHS at the very least they will send someone to investigate it if the parents really are that (*&*(& about it might be best for the kid to be taken away if that's what has to be done or atleast put in some facility while getting help............ my SIL son is like that hurts animals does very strange stuff to himself and is mean to other kids he's locked up at the age of 13 cause he needs bad help
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Old 09-01-2009, 05:04 AM   #42 (permalink)
 
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this, in my eyes, is probably two things...
one, he may well have an actual disorder. autism is one option, it can manifest in kids in very different ways. the other is ADD, also shows different signs from one kid to another.
the second is the lack of parents. just because your parents are in the room doesn't mean they are there. they should have seen these signs a long time ago. for them to not do anything is sad, and scarey.
many parents do not like to admit that thier child may have something wrong with them. as a parent you feel an overwhelming guilt like it is your fault. maybe this is where this kids parents are, or the sadder answer, they really don't care.

for you, the best thing to do is go to either the DCFS office or even just one of the administrators at the childs school. if you are seeing problems, the school i'm sure has seen them also. if you have made some comments to his parents with no avail, time to try a new route.
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I agree 100% with Megz...DYFUS.The kid needs help he will not get it from his Parents .Someone has to step in soon.Special classes in School,Counseling,medication.ADHD maybe also.. Poor kid, what a mess.
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Honestly, this child is beyond punishment. Believe me I know, my nephew has the same issues. He has all this bottled up rage from a very poor upbringing. Once the damage is done, he needs councelling and long term care. My nephew lives at his "school". But an outpatient situation would be ok if the parents are determined to work with them, and there are no other children in the home. Since my nephew has 3 younger siblings, they feared he would get angry one day and hurt them. He is a sweet and smart child, then a switch gets flipped, for seemingly no reason, and the hamster he loved gets stabbed. She has locks on every drawer, and he is not allowed any toys with weapons or violent video games, but when he goes to the neighbors house or does things normal kids do (go to parties etc) he sees games and toys that are violent. He got a knife somehow, not sure how, maybe took it out of the dishwasher while it was running, and hid it for later, and thats how he killed the hamster. But when you see him with animals, you can tell he loves them. It's very sad, and honestly Shana this child will either end up as a patient or an inmate. Those parents need a wakeup. What do the teachers say? Maybe they could get involved?
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In a child, it is called Conduct Disorder. You must establish that someone had Conduct Disorder as a child to diagnose them as an adult with Antisocial Personality Disorder. The first question you ask the adult patient with suspected APD is if they ever tortured animals as a child.

Sociopath is not a clinical diagnosis, but it is a term that is commonly used to describe someone who is both Antisocial and Narcissistic. If you mix these two with a high IQ, then you are dealing with a dangerous individual.

You can not "beat" someone with CD or APD into caring. These people have an extremely high pain threshold. You cannot make them care about other living things. The fact that other's feel and deserve the same respect that they give themselves is outside their relm of thought. You cannot teach empathy.

Some psychologists believe that there is a very small window in early childhood where children are taught that others have feelings can feel the same things you do. Other psychologists believe that empathy is a trait you are either born with or without. Either way, once children or adults are showing the traits that you are describing, it is too late.

There really is no way to make the child care that they are hurting someone else or an animal. The only way to make them stop is to show them that it benifits them in some way. They only care about themself. They must learn that when they cause harm to others, there will be severe consequences. The only way to avoid these consequences is to not harm other living creatures. Again, you have to phrase it in a way that benifits them. You cannot tell them, "You hurt Grandma when you hit her." They don't care that they hurt grandma. They cannot understand that grandma has feelings. You have to phrase it in a way that benifits them. Such as, "When you hit Grandma, you only hurt yourself. Now, you are not allowed to...." There really isn't much in this world that they couldn't live without. They do not form attachments the same way others do. So, you may not really be punishing them by taking away games or other objects. You can take away their freedom, but you have to be very firm. They are manipulative and will play on any weakness that you show.

Do not leave this child alone with animals, younger siblings, or other children with lower IQ's. Get them into counseling ASAP.
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