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Old 01-21-2016, 09:13 PM   #1 (permalink)
 
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Dog Aggression - Will training help and Where can i find it

My female Pitbull Angel is fine with the other Pitbulls in our home but she has attacked our 14 year old dog Baby twice now. Fortunately we were able to stop Angel before any damage was done. The other dogs are fine with our older dog. Unfortunately we have to keep Baby away from Angel. We have our yard divided in two. We switch the dogs around so that they all get to play with each other except Angel and Baby. They are never allowed to be together. Angel is two years old, from what we understand she had a very neglected abusive past until she was one and half. Putting her into a shelter is not an option.

I looked into our local Petsmart for training but I don't think that what they do will work for Angel. I think that we need someone who specializes in Pitbull training and possible rehabilitation. Any thoughts, suggestions. We (daughter and me) are reading books on training and anything that we can find on line. Also, someone suggested a water bottle with water and vinegar to squirt her with. Not sure if that is really a viable solution. Any help suggestions are welcome. I will definitely be perusing the forums on this website. Thanks
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There's no way to train dog aggression out of a bull breed. It is a genetic trait. That's like trying to train Retrievers not to retrieve, herders not to herd. You may be able to manage it through proper separation and supervision, which it sounds like you're already doing, but you can never "fix" or get rid of it.
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Old 01-22-2016, 12:39 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Well said BC. It is the owner that needs the "training"...........and I don't mean that in an offensive way, it's just that there are some things that need to be understood and accepted with these dogs....one of which is DA. You can't change that which is the essence of the breed. But you can manage it somewhat....never trust a bulldog! Be ever vigilant, some just can't wait to get at it.
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There's no way to train dog aggression out of a bull breed. It is a genetic trait. That's like trying to train Retrievers not to retrieve, herders not to herd. You may be able to manage it through proper separation and supervision, which it sounds like you're already doing, but you can never "fix" or get rid of it.
I figured as much but had to put it out there. Yes, we have learned to keep the two of them separated. It is working and our yard is big enough for all five of them. We walk them separately. I told my husband that our dogs have become our personal trainers.

Thank all of you for your responses. I appreciate the insight and advise.

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Glad you're willing to make the effort to crate & rotate. It may seem difficult at first but it will become second nature. It's really not a burden, it's a routine.
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Crate and rotate is working. My husband built a very nice kennel in our backyard. Angie aka Angel is already getting use to it. She has calmed down so much and looks happier. The fear that was in her eyes is fading and she actually runs and jumps around when I get home from work. She is so glad to see me opposed to not even looking at me before. It is very rewarding. We have set up a routine with the five dogs. We take them for walks when I get home from work and on weekends. We have to be careful with Angie as she has dog aggression but it all works out. One night I got home late and we didn't walk them. The disappointment was well evident in their cute faces. Odin is doing well. We had kept him away from the pups for about two months, now we let them all frolic in the backyard. What a wonderful sight to see the four of them running around together. Sometimes the adults get out of control so we have to step-in. Our older dog Baby plays with the pups and Odin but is never allowed with Angie. Overall they have brought a lot of joy to our home. The expense, well that is another discussion.
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I'm a little late to this thread, but you have no idea how refreshing it is to see someone come on here and ask for help/suggestions and actually absorb what information is given rather than trying to argue how those of us with experience are wrong and there's got to be a way to change the dog's inherent DNA and mannerisms.

I'm very happy that the crate and rotate routine is working for you and your pack. I'm even more happy that you're not giving up on Angel simply because she's DA. Sounds like y'all have found a niche that works for your pack, and I truly hope you stick with us, and keep us updated.

I've not been to the pictures section yet, so I may be jumping the gun here, but have you posted pictures of your pack members? I would love to see them.
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I'm a little late to this thread, but you have no idea how refreshing it is to see someone come on here and ask for help/suggestions and actually absorb what information is given rather than trying to argue how those of us with experience are wrong and there's got to be a way to change the dog's inherent DNA and mannerisms.

I'm very happy that the crate and rotate routine is working for you and your pack. I'm even more happy that you're not giving up on Angel simply because she's DA. Sounds like y'all have found a niche that works for your pack, and I truly hope you stick with us, and keep us updated.

I've not been to the pictures section yet, so I may be jumping the gun here, but have you posted pictures of your pack members? I would love to see them.
Hi TheLadyPit. Thank you. I am very glad that I found this website. Folks who actually understand what I am talking about and going through . I have had friends tell me to get rid of Angie aka Angel. Send her to the pound, have her euthanized, etc. Anyway. Glad to be here. I posted picture in the introductions area.
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My female Pitbull Angel is fine with the other Pitbulls in our home but she has attacked our 14 year old dog Baby twice now. Fortunately we were able to stop Angel before any damage was done. The other dogs are fine with our older dog. Unfortunately we have to keep Baby away from Angel. We have our yard divided in two. We switch the dogs around so that they all get to play with each other except Angel and Baby. They are never allowed to be together. Angel is two years old, from what we understand she had a very neglected abusive past until she was one and half. Putting her into a shelter is not an option.

I looked into our local Petsmart for training but I don't think that what they do will work for Angel. I think that we need someone who specializes in Pitbull training and possible rehabilitation. Any thoughts, suggestions. We (daughter and me) are reading books on training and anything that we can find on line. Also, someone suggested a water bottle with water and vinegar to squirt her with. Not sure if that is really a viable solution. Any help suggestions are welcome. I will definitely be perusing the forums on this website. Thanks
Beings Angel is attacking a 14 year old dog, and not the others, shows that it is not true dog aggression. It is "selective aggression."
A true ApBT will attack any and all other dogs.
However.....I had a fight crazy male dog years ago, who wanted to kill anything he saw---EXCEPT puppies, small dogs, or older and weak ones.

She is attacking the weakest dog, a common trademark of a "cur," what old time dogmen culled, as they lacked the trait most common in the breed, gameness.

Seems to me to be a pack thing.

As for training, forget about it. Dog aggression is to always be expected in the breed, even if Cesaer fools thousands with his pretend-a-bulls.
But I don;t consider Angel to be truly dog aggressive, attacking only the weakest dog.
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