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Old 02-16-2016, 07:13 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Ban The Breed Ban: New Research Says They’re Useless

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You know those dog breed bans put in place to protect people from bites and attacks? New research out of Norway says nurture plays a bigger role than nature.
The gloves are off, the gauntlet has been thrown and the proverbial pistols have been drawn. Yes, it seems the gentle folk of Norway are ready to wage battle against one another regarding, well, what makes for an aggressive dog.


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Old 02-17-2016, 05:47 AM   #2 (permalink)
 
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Lol, another attempt by fools to fool the fools who listen to them.

What nonsense. There is NO TRAINING PREY DRIVE OUT OF A PIT DOG!

They are not trained to be pit dogs, nor can be. They are born with unchangeable genetic traits!

For the record, the most dangerous species on earth are humans. They kill more of all creatures than any other, including themselves.
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Old 02-17-2016, 12:41 PM   #3 (permalink)
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The article, it seems to me, doesn't go into great detail as to how they came to the conclusion to ban the breeds they're proposing to ban in the first place.

As we all know, responsibility and proper management play the biggest role in keeping a would-be dangerous dog (no matter the breed), from being a danger to the public.

Training issues and methods aside, without the proper management of said dog (again, no matter what breed), any dog can and will be a danger if given the opportunity to be, or presented with a situation where it feels the need to be.

For the newer members here, let's hear your opinions. Those of us whom are well versed in managing our dogs, are simply "preaching to the choir" if you will. This is a good topic to get some discussion going and input from newer members and owners, to see their side or point of view.
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The title of the article has nothing to do with most of the article. It seems the author used the title to get attention, mentioned the ban then went into training vs nature rhetoric. Very little information on how the decision was made, how will the ban be enforced or what will happen to the current dogs that are banned.
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I'm a pretty new member here. I adopted my Pitbull mix almost 4 months ago. He's currently about 18 months old. Before adopting him I checked into BSL laws in my town. I live in Northern CA. If you own a "pitbull type dog" it must be spayed or neutered. There is also no restrictions on my homeowners insurance with Allstate.

I am curious as to the whole "how they are raised" in this article. Having a rescue dog who's only past is that he was a stray wandering the streets. He does seem like he was someones pet at some point. He was quick to learn sit and shake, only had two accidents inside and knew the couch was a great spot. Haha He does have some scars on his back and the hair hasn't grown back since he's been with us. He was pretty thin and always eats like he has never eaten before.

But not knowing his history, I have no idea how he was brought up, so how would I know if he's a "safe" family dog based on that theory?

He has been great so far. Very sweet and loving of everyone he meets. However I am always cautious when he meets someone new. Whether on a walk or when someone comes over. I am extra cautious of him with little kids, but he has always shown himself to be a sweetie.

Still trying to figure him out with other dogs. He gets a little too excited with seeing other dogs on a walk or hearing them bark behind a fence. I'm working with him to look at me when I say "Hey" to get his attention instead of getting worked up ny another dog. He loves my sisters Doberman and our dog Izzy, a hound mix. They are best of friends. Always separated when we are gone, at night and feeding times.

Sorry this post is long! I find the whole subject interesting.

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IMO, it's hyperbole sensationalism designed to grab headlines and make believers out of the misinformed.

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I'm a pretty new member here. I adopted my Pitbull mix almost 4 months ago. He's currently about 18 months old. Before adopting him I checked into BSL laws in my town. I live in Northern CA. If you own a "pitbull type dog" it must be spayed or neutered. There is also no restrictions on my homeowners insurance with Allstate.

I am curious as to the whole "how they are raised" in this article. Having a rescue dog who's only past is that he was a stray wandering the streets. He does seem like he was someones pet at some point. He was quick to learn sit and shake, only had two accidents inside and knew the couch was a great spot. Haha He does have some scars on his back and the hair hasn't grown back since he's been with us. He was pretty thin and always eats like he has never eaten before.

But not knowing his history, I have no idea how he was brought up, so how would I know if he's a "safe" family dog based on that theory?

He has been great so far. Very sweet and loving of everyone he meets. However I am always cautious when he meets someone new. Whether on a walk or when someone comes over. I am extra cautious of him with little kids, but he has always shown himself to be a sweetie.

Still trying to figure him out with other dogs. He gets a little too excited with seeing other dogs on a walk or hearing them bark behind a fence. I'm working with him to look at me when I say "Hey" to get his attention instead of getting worked up ny another dog. He loves my sisters Doberman and our dog Izzy, a hound mix. They are best of friends. Always separated when we are gone, at night and feeding times.

Sorry this post is long! I find the whole subject interesting.
There is a saying, temperament is 80% genetics, 20% environmental..
What you must understand is this: getting a "pit" or mix from a shelter tells you many things...
First, those who have quality bloodlines would never send their dogs to a rescue shelter.
I'd say 99% of the "pits" rescued are unknown, scatterbred blood, bred by back yard breeders, who have no clue what they are doing...
Second, if anyone cannot tell right away whether their dog is truly dog aggressive, it is safe to say it is a cur: it will do the pack thing, for dominance, and always go for the weaker dogs (in the dogs mind)...
Third, if a dog is truly a "pit mix," the big concern is the human aggression natural in many other breeds... (at rescues I'm sure they make sure the dog is human friendly)
When you have a cur dog (non-game dog, ApBT) with the strength of the real ApBT, trouble can follow. Catches people off guard....

Your pup is young, so you will not know its true temperament until it ages.
Dogs come out like their grandparents and great grandparents...
Temperament is hereditary, and no amount of training can change it.
For example....the real ApBT was NEVER trained to fight.
These powerful and tough dogs had to be human friendly, as they needed to be handled, so human aggressive dogs usually were culled.
In the glory days of the dog game, however, there were some human aggressive dogs that were actually game. (HA dogs, for the most part, are curs...when they met a game dog, they would quit)

Just remember, any dog with ApBT in them, even low quality (low quality ApBT's are still tougher than non-pit dogs), may be prone to want to fight other dogs.
Better safe than sorry is the rule, and the best thing is to keep the pup away from other dogs.
Even if they are friendly, if another dog starts something, yours may finish it, and because of the breed, it will be the bad guy.

I sure wish all non-registered ApBT's were required to be spayed, to stop the "pitbull" puppy mill cycle.
Any story I read in the paper of attacks, especially "pitbulls" who attack in a pack (they are NOT pack dogs....to them, their mentality is, : there can be only one! They do not fight for dominance, but to kill or incapacitate the other dog)....
They were always dogs owned by novices, unregistered dogs, that just "looked" like a "pitbull." (The most generic name given to them)

Finally..... how you raise a dog does have an effect on the dog...
At four months you should not be worried about the pup meeting people...
You do not want a dog to be afraid of strangers.....
If he is fine with your sisters dogs, and shows no aggression, you may not have to worry...
BUT.....as he ages, that may change, particularly with strange dogs.
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There is a saying, temperament is 80% genetics, 20% environmental..
What you must understand is this: getting a "pit" or mix from a shelter tells you many things...
First, those who have quality bloodlines would never send their dogs to a rescue shelter.
I'd say 99% of the "pits" rescued are unknown, scatterbred blood, bred by back yard breeders, who have no clue what they are doing...
Second, if anyone cannot tell right away whether their dog is truly dog aggressive, it is safe to say it is a cur: it will do the pack thing, for dominance, and always go for the weaker dogs (in the dogs mind)...
Third, if a dog is truly a "pit mix," the big concern is the human aggression natural in many other breeds... (at rescues I'm sure they make sure the dog is human friendly)
When you have a cur dog (non-game dog, ApBT) with the strength of the real ApBT, trouble can follow. Catches people off guard....

Thanks for responding to my long post! What do you mean by a "cur dog" or something being culled? Sorry if this is a dumb question.

Your pup is young, so you will not know its true temperament until it ages.
Dogs come out like their grandparents and great grandparents...
Temperament is hereditary, and no amount of training can change it.
For example....the real ApBT was NEVER trained to fight.
These powerful and tough dogs had to be human friendly, as they needed to be handled, so human aggressive dogs usually were culled.
In the glory days of the dog game, however, there were some human aggressive dogs that were actually game. (HA dogs, for the most part, are curs...when they met a game dog, they would quit)

Just remember, any dog with ApBT in them, even low quality (low quality ApBT's are still tougher than non-pit dogs), may be prone to want to fight other dogs.
Better safe than sorry is the rule, and the best thing is to keep the pup away from other dogs.
Even if they are friendly, if another dog starts something, yours may finish it, and because of the breed, it will be the bad guy.

I sure wish all non-registered ApBT's were required to be spayed, to stop the "pitbull" puppy mill cycle.
Any story I read in the paper of attacks, especially "pitbulls" who attack in a pack (they are NOT pack dogs....to them, their mentality is, : there can be only one! They do not fight for dominance, but to kill or incapacitate the other dog)....
They were always dogs owned by novices, unregistered dogs, that just "looked" like a "pitbull." (The most generic name given to them)

I agree. Most of the dogs in our shelters here are pit mixes.

Finally..... how you raise a dog does have an effect on the dog...
At four months you should not be worried about the pup meeting people...
You do not want a dog to be afraid of strangers.....
If he is fine with your sisters dogs, and shows no aggression, you may not have to worry...
BUT.....as he ages, that may change, particularly with strange dogs.
I've had my dog for 4 months, but he is about 18 months now. He was listed as approx 1 year and 3 months at the shelter. So i am hoping he is nearing maturity and this is his true personality.
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