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Old 05-22-2016, 10:18 AM   #16 (permalink)
 

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tracing routes to fighting dogs 100 years ago is not the same as having parents that were excessively god-aggressive or used for this purpose. I know that APBT/Amstaffs are not dog-friendly and that's fine. But that doesn't mean I would buy a dog that is clearly extremely intolerant towards other dogs. Neither should they be, they should be somewhere in between and their dog-aggression should be manageable.

As far as shampoo, I later asked them about it and they explained the same thing you did. I guess I didn't know the pup's skin could be this blue I expected it to be more greyish, not blue
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Old 05-24-2016, 05:22 AM   #17 (permalink)
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APBT owners should be prepared, however, to deal with the more extreme side of Dog Aggression, not just the little namby-pamby crap. You should be more than comfortable with the idea of:
A) No dog parks. EVER. No matter how nice and dog friendly your APBT appears to be.
B) A single dog home, or a life time of crate and rotate.
C) Not letting your APBT and another animal have alone time together
D) Paying extra $$ or spending extra time locating housing.
E) Exercising your APBT daily, to the point of near exhaustion. (Not just a walk or a short game of fetch)

If you can't deal with the thought of the above scenarios, please consider another breed. Not to sound harsh, just being real!

Glad you cleared up the shampoo thing.
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Old 05-24-2016, 05:12 PM   #18 (permalink)
 

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yeah, I'm ready for that, but how do I exhaust my dog every day without a treadmill? I'm really curious to hear what you do if you cannot let the dog play with others and you need to exercise him/her. I have no interest in cycling/skating, especially when it's cold outside. I was mostly thinking about fetching, jumps and similar activities.

Because even if I run with my dog, that cannot possibly exhaust her. I will die before she does
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Old 05-24-2016, 05:17 PM   #19 (permalink)
 

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oh and by the way, I will not be buying this puppy. It turns out they lied about pedigree and the documents are from the worst kennel club which means the pedigree is fake.
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yeah, I'm ready for that, but how do I exhaust my dog every day without a treadmill? I'm really curious to hear what you do if you cannot let the dog play with others and you need to exercise him/her. I have no interest in cycling/skating, especially when it's cold outside. I was mostly thinking about fetching, jumps and similar activities.

Because even if I run with my dog, that cannot possibly exhaust her. I will die before she does
Thanks for the update luvpits. I think it a wise decision to look elsewhere for your pup as I explained in my first response to you.

Actually, you hit the nail on the head as fas as exhausting the dog. I to would drop before mine and for that reason the treadmill is a life saver. The treadmill can exhaust the dog and I don't know what I would do without one in the Winter. My girl Athena will walk with me on the treadmill and will sometimes just climb on and look back as if to say "let's go". I also use a flirt stick with her which consists of a long buggy whip and a rag tied at the end. She will chase that rag till I make her stop.

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Old 05-25-2016, 02:46 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Best bet would be a flirt pole and/or a spring pole. Sorry to hear they were lying. Which registry were they using, out of curiosity?

I hope we've all given you some pointers to assist you in your search for another pup. Feel free to ask us for more help when you find someone else!
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Old 05-25-2016, 11:06 AM   #22 (permalink)
 

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haha, thanks for the suggestions, I will consider buying a flirt pole. When the puppy is older I will enroll her into agility classes. So I think that should partially solve excess energy problem.

As far as registry, I honestly don't know. The paper document was issued by the no-name kennel club I've never heard of before. What I know for a fact, though, is that the breeder told me the pup's dad was an amstaff from the US. But when I later googled the picture of the dad, turned out it was a local dog that has all the FCI paperwork. Which means that her dad is most likely some other dog.

She also told me that because American AKC was not a recognizable club in Ukraine, she issued the documents from a different club that recognizes american pedigree

P.S. Just like in the US, in Ukraine we have KSU (AKC equivalent for amstaffs) and KCU (UKC equivalent for APBT). KSU docs are recognized by FCI, KCU docs are recognized by UCI.

But based on local APBTs with KCU docs that I have seen, most of them are clearly not pure bred so I have a very strong feeling KCU documents can be bought at a relatively low price and I don't trust these documents. All the other clubs sell documents for pennies, and this pup had documents from one of these.

She was a really really nice dog and her mom (assuming she was indeed her mom) was a very sweet dog. But I just didn't think it was a good idea to buy her, especially considering a price tag.
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I don't consider them to be two separate breeds, but I would much rather not get into this discussion.



And there are no pit bulls in my country that are purebred, our kennel club doesn't recognize them, just like AKC. We only have amstaffs, and I could care less whether the paper says amstaff or pit bull as long as I can get some proof they are purebred and have a good bloodline of non-fighting dogs. I know Amstaffs are wider and pit bulls are leaner & more agile.
ALL AmStaffs are Pitbulls. Not ALL Pitbulls are AmStaffs.

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