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Old 09-26-2016, 03:40 AM   #16 (permalink)
 
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I didn't want a pit and I didn't want to adopt him initially because they told us he was a pit. But he was so cute (he still is), I couldn't resist, plus my SO got attached to him and he always wanted a dog. My baby is laying right next to me sleeping, it doesn't worry me that someone doesn't think he is a pit or what not, but I worry about my pup doing something and defending himself in the future and being blamed for it since, in all other eyes, he is a pit. Nobody will ask for his "paperwork", which is really people just making huge amounts of money on breeding these dogs and selling them to wrong people. Let's face it, there aren't too many families that go to pick out pups and go "hey, lets get a pitbull for our family". They all want labs and collies and goldens. Which leaves all these dogs up to all the wrong people. I once reported a "breeder" that was selling pit pups from his trailer on FB and they were all locked in a crate and all these thugs were offering him weed and $$ for them. I was called a traitor and numerous other terms. Seems like the most intolerance comes from a pit community.
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Old 09-26-2016, 03:45 AM   #17 (permalink)
 
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Your perception of bull breed owners as a whole is nothing short of offensive. Not only bad people want Bulldogs. Plenty seek them out as family pets because they are exceptionally human friendly. The reason you see more of the bad owners is because you aren't looking hard enough. Obviously the people who make the news for poor management of their dogs or breed and sell their mutts on Craigslist are going to be more publicly visible. The real bulldog people keep to themselves and their circles and you don't hear about them unless you're involved in the community.

And since you're not involved in the community, you don't see the people that dedicate everything to their breeding programs in order to preserve and continually better this great breed. Ethical breeders are not in it for the money, they're in it for the dogs.
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Old 09-26-2016, 03:45 AM   #18 (permalink)
 
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but labs were originally created from other retrieving dogs who were around for hundreds of years. Same with pointers, etc. Pits were originally created from terriers and bulldogs (no, I am not making this up, I got this from other sources) and initially were used to grab bulls. The dog fighting came later, and it takes longer than 100+ years to genetically alter a dog's makeup. Yes, I am new to the breed, but it doesn't mean I haven't read a ton about them already.
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Old 09-26-2016, 03:48 AM   #19 (permalink)
 
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but labs were originally created from other retrieving dogs who were around for hundreds of years. Same with pointers, etc. Pits were originally created from terriers and bulldogs (no, I am not making this up, I got this from other sources) and initially were used to grab bulls. The dog fighting came later, and it takes longer than 100+ years to genetically alter a dog's makeup. Yes, I am new to the breed, but it doesn't mean I haven't read a ton about them already.
I agree with this statement.
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Old 09-26-2016, 03:48 AM   #20 (permalink)
 
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There is a large pit community here in my city and most pits are adopted as adults or as pups. I haven't met anyone who bought them with all the fancy paperwork. In fact, adoption is being largely pushed where I live. So you are saying that all these family people are going to pit breeders to get pit puppies? Ah, the family dogs, where people with 5 kids bring 3 pits they leave in the yard untrained, then get on the news for a dog mauling their children. Pits have too much of a stigma for average Janes and Joes to go to breeders and get pits when there are tons of other family friendly breeds available.
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I have to disagree with this. While Pit Bulls are extremely human friendly, so you should never have to worry about human aggression in a stable animal, genetic traits affecting temperament are very much a real thing. Without these traits, there would be no differences in temperaments between breeds. Genetic temperaments are the reason that Labs retrieve, that Border Collies herd, that Pointers point, and that Pit Bulls fight. All were and usually still are traits that are selectively bred into the dog and are what make them what they are.

So while up upbringing, socialization, and training are obviously hugely important, ultimately you can not change a dog's genetics makeup through those things.
I stand corrected. However, it does make me wonder why they were called "baby sitter" dogs back in the day.

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Old 09-26-2016, 03:51 AM   #22 (permalink)
 
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There is a large pit community here in my city and most pits are adopted as adults or as pups. I haven't met anyone who bought them with all the fancy paperwork. In fact, adoption is being largely pushed where I live. So you are saying that all these family people are going to pit breeders to get pit puppies? Ah, the family dogs, where people with 5 kids bring 3 pits they leave in the yard untrained, then get on the news for a dog mauling their children. Pits have too much of a stigma for average Janes and Joes to go to breeders and get pits when there are tons of other family friendly breeds available.
Yes, I know many people that go to an ethical breeder to purchase a dog of known lineage. This is the best way to gain an understanding of potential temperament, health, activity levels, size, etc.

So you think that families shouldn't be adopting bull breed mutts OR purchasing purebreds from breeders? I'm really confused. You seem to be very anti-Pit Bull in general.
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I stand corrected. However, it does make me wonder why they were called "baby sitter" dogs back in the day.

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They weren't. That is a myth.
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Your perception of bull breed owners as a whole is nothing short of offensive. Not only bad people want Bulldogs. Plenty seek them out as family pets because they are exceptionally human friendly. The reason you see more of the bad owners is because you aren't looking hard enough. Obviously the people who make the news for poor management of their dogs or breed and sell their mutts on Craigslist are going to be more publicly visible. The real bulldog people keep to themselves and their circles and you don't hear about them unless you're involved in the community.

And since you're not involved in the community, you don't see the people that dedicate everything to their breeding programs in order to preserve and continually better this great breed. Ethical breeders are not in it for the money, they're in it for the dogs.
Side note: true breeders are also hard to find, because people do not want to pay the price of a pure, pedigreed dog.

They would rather go the craigslist route.

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They weren't. That is a myth.
Ahhhhh......well that makes sense now.

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Old 09-26-2016, 03:55 AM   #26 (permalink)
 
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Side note: true breeders are also hard to find, because people do not want to pay the price of a pure, pedigreed dog.

They would rather go the craigslist route.

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Many ethical breeders charge less than the average BYB mutt.
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Old 09-26-2016, 04:23 AM   #27 (permalink)
 
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"You seem to be very anti-Pit Bull in general."

Ofcourse, just because I doubt that many families go to breeders to adopt large muscular dogs with a horrible stigma attached to it I must be anti-pitbull...that makes sense. Another poster mentions that they were called "nanny dogs", which you deny and say that there needs to be a bigger understanding of the breed and their traits. Families that want a friendly family pet (and I'm not saying that pits aren't, but not a lot of people are aware of their personalities outside of the stigma) go for dogs that already have established traits that don't need to be figured out and cultivated. My Loki loves people, he is cuddly, doesn't bark at strangers or other dogs, but people are still nervous and I see it all the time, which is upsetting.
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Old 09-26-2016, 04:26 AM   #28 (permalink)
 
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When it comes to size, I read in the standards all the time that APBT are medium sized dogs, yet I see breeders selling huge pits as purebred. It is confusing.
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I'm not sure how you can say not a lot of people are aware of their personalities. Millions of families have Pit Bulls and other bull breeds as pets. Millions of people know and love bull breeds. You seem to have a very narrow view of bull breed owners.
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When it comes to size, I read in the standards all the time that APBT are medium sized dogs, yet I see breeders selling huge pits as purebred. It is confusing.
They are medium sized dogs. Typically 30-50lbs. Sometimes up to 60, sometimes as small as 20.

Those dogs are not purebred Pit Bulls. How do we know this? The pedigrees. They show AmStaff, AmBully, or Mastiff mixes. Many have no APBT in them at all. The registries are partly to blame for this; the UKC in particular allowed AKC Amstaffs and American Bully mixes to be registered as APBTs. So a dog could have paperwork stating "APBT" but the pedigree shows otherwise. This is why pedigrees are important.
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