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Old 10-31-2016, 04:01 AM   #1 (permalink)
 

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New owner need some advice and questions

Just adopted a young pit maybe 11 months old but a very big boy. Name is moose.

First of all how many hours do all of you spend with your pits I will walk him in the morning then spend some time outside training. Then once more midday for a walk and then last to let him sleep I'll massage him. Maybe spend -2 hours total and 3 hours on non busy days. Is this good amount.

I want to be honest I tie him up in the backyard because he hurts himself or might jump over the fence since previous owner left him tied for months outside and he has no idea what a fence or borders are. He jumped on top of my car and table. His cable is very long though. If I'm outside with him the cable is off.

Then when it's nighttime I'll take him to the basement and for his own safety tie him again. He will cry for a few minutes then fall asleep. When I wake up and go to him in the morning he is stretching and yawning not agitated. He was tied most of his life and had very little socialization but is very freindly.

Does what I do sound like it's going to harm him mentally. Obviously if I could I would let him roam around but I also don't tie him up 24/7 in the cold.
I do not let him inside my house, this sounds mean but it's just something I don't think is clean. He will accidentally urinate on items for certain.

Lastly he has a very very bad habit of humping legs I'll throw him down forcefully by his head but he will get even more agitated to the point repeating the same thing just doesn't cut it I'll either have to revert attention or walk away inside or tie him up. He will then whine/cry

Any help would be appreciated I know it's a lot but didn't want to make multiple threads.

Sorry for typos, used my phone.

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Old 11-03-2016, 09:41 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I don't know if there is such a thing as a "good amount" of time. Every dog and owner and relationship is different. It sounds like the time you do spend with Moose is quality time walking and training but I think you have some other more important issues to attend to rather than whether or not you're spending enough time.

First, I strongly suggest you look into crate training. Crate training is ideal for your situation to keep Moose contained without hurting himself and will allow him to be in your house but keep him from urinating in the house. Crate training is perfect for housebreaking and to keep dogs safe and happy when they cannot be supervised. I believe this is a better solution than keeping him tied outside or in the basement. If you do need to tie him outside especially - make sure he has shelter and plenty of water.

Second, and most important, I don't believe you should EVER forcefully throw any dog down by it's head. Not to sound harsh but that is abuse in my book. Is Moose neutered? If not, you may want to consider neutering him, that should help the humping behavior. Otherwise, the walking away strategy is appropriate. Moose needs to know that this behavior is inappropriate but he needs to have a trusting, respectful relationship with you and that won't happen if you thrown him down by his head. You can correct his behavior a number of other ways. Withdrawing your attention through walking away is a great way to let him know you won't allow it. Then when he does behave appropriate treat/reward/praise him. He's still young, he will get it.

I hope this helps and good luck with him!
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I don't know if there is such a thing as a "good amount" of time. Every dog and owner and relationship is different. It sounds like the time you do spend with Moose is quality time walking and training but I think you have some other more important issues to attend to rather than whether or not you're spending enough time.

First, I strongly suggest you look into crate training. Crate training is ideal for your situation to keep Moose contained without hurting himself and will allow him to be in your house but keep him from urinating in the house. Crate training is perfect for housebreaking and to keep dogs safe and happy when they cannot be supervised. I believe this is a better solution than keeping him tied outside or in the basement. If you do need to tie him outside especially - make sure he has shelter and plenty of water.

Second, and most important, I don't believe you should EVER forcefully throw any dog down by it's head. Not to sound harsh but that is abuse in my book. Is Moose neutered? If not, you may want to consider neutering him, that should help the humping behavior. Otherwise, the walking away strategy is appropriate. Moose needs to know that this behavior is inappropriate but he needs to have a trusting, respectful relationship with you and that won't happen if you thrown him down by his head. You can correct his behavior a number of other ways. Withdrawing your attention through walking away is a great way to let him know you won't allow it. Then when he does behave appropriate treat/reward/praise him. He's still young, he will get it.

I hope this helps and good luck with him!
yes this helps greatly thankyou.
I dont tie him outside anymore. He is free to roam the yard now and plays with the dogs next door across the fence. I give him plenty of exercise he is kind of lazy with low stamina now but im feeding him real food so he should be getting bigger/stronger.

I dont think ill ever have him indoor inside my living area and feel any crate is too small for him he is almost 100lb. I think he is fine in the basement tied up. He goes to sleep and then he wakes up when I get there. He always has food and water near him always and a blanket to sleep on. But ill definitely look into crates or build a room in the basement for him to sleep at night.

I will stop throwing him down because this feels bad and also does not fix the issue. He is not neutered and likely not going to be. I think I can fix this issue by ignoring him.
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Neutering doesn't always help with humping. In most cases it's just a dominance or over excitement issue.
Physical corrections aren't necessary. Just keep working him and training him the way you are. Maybe add in a down stay command for when he acts out like that.
As long as you are spending quality time working and training your dog and burning off his energy, then tying him is just fine. Many of the OG members here use chain spots for their dogs. They work them and show them and love them and then put them back in their spots.
By tying your dog, you are setting him up to succeed rather then fail. So until he learns the routine and rules, that is probably your best option. Maybe once he gets settled into the routine and stops marking your home you'll be more comfortable letting him in the house with you.
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Neutering doesn't always help with humping. In most cases it's just a dominance or over excitement issue.
Physical corrections aren't necessary. Just keep working him and training him the way you are. Maybe add in a down stay command for when he acts out like that.
As long as you are spending quality time working and training your dog and burning off his energy, then tying him is just fine. Many of the OG members here use chain spots for their dogs. They work them and show them and love them and then put them back in their spots.
By tying your dog, you are setting him up to succeed rather then fail. So until he learns the routine and rules, that is probably your best option. Maybe once he gets settled into the routine and stops marking your home you'll be more comfortable letting him in the house with you.
in this case it might be over excitement. Because he tends to do this when he meets a new person and his tail is wagging very quickly like hes very exited.
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in this case it might be over excitement. Because he tends to do this when he meets a new person and his tail is wagging very quickly like hes very exited.
Try burning his energy before doing the activity that gets him excited enough to hump. He will respond better to your corrections.
Burning his energy before training helps with focus too.
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Try burning his energy before doing the activity that gets him excited enough to hump. He will respond better to your corrections.
Burning his energy before training helps with focus too.
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My guess is he is marking items in your house not peeing on them. Neutering could help curb the marking and it might not. Neutering could help with getting your dog to focus more on training, but it isn't magic fix by any means. I kinda feel if you have issues that could be helped my as well neuter. My dog is very anima reactive. This didn't go away after his neuter but it did help male ability to focus on training a lot better and he was able to focus.
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