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Old 04-27-2018, 05:16 PM   #1 (permalink)
 
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Well Diva is all grown up now, and we've had an incident..advice?

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Diva is just about to turn 1 year old, and what I was always aware could happen...did. I have a 7 yr old mix breed dog whom is 25% AmStaff and named Scooter. He is a very gentle soul, wouldn't harm a fly! Thus far, him and Diva have done EVERYTHING together, and gotten along excellent. I have however noticed from puppyhood that Diva is a resource guarder. The other night, my teenage son gave them each a carrot and then went downstairs. I was not home. Quite soon afterwards he heard them fighting, came upstairs and Diva had Scooter pinned on his back. My son tore them apart, and Diva latched on to Scooters neck. My son decided not to grab a break stick and used his hands to pry her mouth open, he picked her up, and put her outside. He called me because he noticed there was some bleeding, so I came home. When I got home, I let both dogs out...Diva immediately went after Scooter again (this was like 1.5 hours after they fought). I had to pry her mouth open and hold her back while my son put Scooter away. It ended in a vet visit for Scooter, who was close to needing stitches. He has a fairly deep puncture wound on his shoulder, one on the inside of his ear, and she grabbed his mouth pretty good because it was swollen, tore the gums inside, and the outside of his mouth is punctured too. He is healing up well, and I have kept them separated since (4 days now).

So, my question is..where would you go from here? Since they really enjoyed each others company thus far, doing everything together, and the fight broke out due to a high value treat...I'm not sure if I should go straight to a crate and rotate type situation (I use bedrooms to separate, because they don't wreck things). It would be nice for them to continue to go for walks together, enjoy yard time, and supervised time in the home...BUT she obviously attacked him pretty seriously, it wasn't just one bite. I was debating getting a muzzle and just seeing how she acts towards him...waiting until after her spay, and she's healed maybe? I'll tell you one thing, they will never, ever be left out together when I'm not home. I do not want my kids having to bear the burden of tearing her off of him, Thankfully, Scooter does not fight back, so I only have to deal with Diva if a situation occurs. Would you test the waters and let them hang out a bit if you were me? So far she's been great with my cat and birds as well. And never a problem with other dogs or anything like that.

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Did you see the whole event where Diva went after Scooter the second time when you put them out? What’s there a precipitating event or did she just go after him? Dogs don’t have memories like we do so after 1.5 he’s Diva wouldn’t be going after him over the carrot incident still.

Obviously no matter what you do, these two should NEVER be left together unsupervised even for just a second. Also make sure you’re using break sticks. It’s never a good idea to use your hands to pry dogs mouths apart. It is true that bulldogs shouldn’t bite you, even in the heat of the moment, but there are always instances of redirection and them biting unintentionally.

Without being there it’s so hard to say. Dogs
don’t need “friends” or necessarily enjoy social situations like people do so it’s not a situation where if you keep them separated they’re going to “miss” spending time together. Crate and rotate is the safest and best bet and everyone can still be healthy and happy with this arrangement.

I’m sure that’s not necessarily what you wanted to hear but it’s the safest bet. If you choose to try them together again make sure you are CLOSELY watching body language so you can prevent an issue before it happens and separate them.

Spaying won’t have any affect unfortunately.

Good luck and keep us posted.


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Crate and rotate from now on. No sense in risking either dog, or your wallet.
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Did you see the whole event where Diva went after Scooter the second time when you put them out? What’s there a precipitating event or did she just go after him? Dogs don’t have memories like we do so after 1.5 he’s Diva wouldn’t be going after him over the carrot incident still.

Obviously no matter what you do, these two should NEVER be left together unsupervised even for just a second. Also make sure you’re using break sticks. It’s never a good idea to use your hands to pry dogs mouths apart. It is true that bulldogs shouldn’t bite you, even in the heat of the moment, but there are always instances of redirection and them biting unintentionally.

Without being there it’s so hard to say. Dogs
don’t need “friends” or necessarily enjoy social situations like people do so it’s not a situation where if you keep them separated they’re going to “miss” spending time together. Crate and rotate is the safest and best bet and everyone can still be healthy and happy with this arrangement.

I’m sure that’s not necessarily what you wanted to hear but it’s the safest bet. If you choose to try them together again make sure you are CLOSELY watching body language so you can prevent an issue before it happens and separate them.

Spaying won’t have any affect unfortunately.

Good luck and keep us posted.


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The second time she went after him...he came up the stairs, she was a few feet away. She walked up to him, sniffed him (smelt blood I'm sure) and instantly grabbed him. Zero warning other than she wasn't wagging her tail like she normally would. I knew it was going to happen just a split second before it did. She didn't cause any damage with that bite, I had her off of him so quick.

Ever since that night, she wants to be everywhere he is...when I allow them to see each other through fencing, or with her on leash. She is wagging her tail. She has been extremely social up until this point. I kind of beg to differ about them not needing to be social...this dog always has been! Perhaps it's because I have gone out of my way to really, really socialize her. She is purebred AmStaff, I was hoping with training and socialization we may be able to curb DA issues. However, I do know that often times it is genetics. I just haven't seen it in her yet..and both of her parents are not DA.

Why do I want them to be together? Well, because I work full time. I have 3 kids, 2 dogs, a cat, and 3 birds (one is an African grey and very needy). I do not have time to take 2 dogs on 2 separate 1+ hour long walks every day...and they both need it. In the home, I am not finding it too difficult to keep them apart. I just want to kind of find a SAFE way to know if that was a one time incident..or if it will now be a habit because she got a taste of "fighting". I would hate to separate them for the rest of their lives if it was a one time thing. This is why I mentioned a muzzle. Maybe I can observe their body language, but then again, she's not use to a muzzle.

I have several break sticks. It was actually really easy to just open her mouth and pull her off. I am very use to handling dogs that are tense. I am a vet assistant. The reason I mentioned the fact that Diva is getting spayed is not because I thought it would change her behaviour..I'm trying to find out if giving these 2 dogs a couple of weeks to heal...then gradually testing the waters is a good idea or not. It sounds like you experienced bully breed owners are thinking...NOT *sighhhhhh*

Thank you for your helpful response btw. I appreciate it.
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The second time she went after him...he came up the stairs, she was a few feet away. She walked up to him, sniffed him (smelt blood I'm sure) and instantly grabbed him. Zero warning other than she wasn't wagging her tail like she normally would. I knew it was going to happen just a split second before it did. She didn't cause any damage with that bite, I had her off of him so quick.



The dogs won’t typically give a warning before aggression. And smelling blood has nothing to do with it. They’re dogs not sharks. Thankfully you were there and able to prevent more damage!

Ever since that night, she wants to be everywhere he is...when I allow them to see each other through fencing, or with her on leash. She is wagging her tail. She has been extremely social up until this point. I kind of beg to differ about them not needing to be social...this dog always has been! Perhaps it's because I have gone out of my way to really, really socialize her. She is purebred AmStaff, I was hoping with training and socialization we may be able to curb DA issues. However, I do know that often times it is genetics. I just haven't seen it in her yet..and both of her parents are not DA.



True DA is only genetic. Just because her parents didn’t show it doesn’t mean she won’t. It’s ingrained their genetics from the very beginning. No amount of training or socializing can curb it. Also tail wagging is the most misinterpreted dog body language. It does not necessarily mean they are happy and/or want to be friendly. It can be a social challenge, fear or any number of things. When Nala sees another dog when she’s on a lead only, she barks and wags her tail like a mad woman. But her body is forward leaning, ears are back and hackles up. She’s not saying “come play with me”. But it’s only on lead with her. Kaos is showing DA now with dogs outside of the pack. I’m lucky it hasn’t happened within the pack but that doesn’t mean it won’t and I’m constantly on guard watching.

Why do I want them to be together? Well, because I work full time. I have 3 kids, 2 dogs, a cat, and 3 birds (one is an African grey and very needy). I do not have time to take 2 dogs on 2 separate 1+ hour long walks every day...and they both need it. In the home, I am not finding it too difficult to keep them apart. I just want to kind of find a SAFE way to know if that was a one time incident..or if it will now be a habit because she got a taste of "fighting". I would hate to separate them for the rest of their lives if it was a one time thing. This is why I mentioned a muzzle. Maybe I can observe their body language, but then again, she's not use to a muzzle.



I get it. I really do but personally I won’t have more pets than I can give individual care and attention to nor do I agree with muzzling just for the sake of convenience. There are others who will likely disagree with me but that’s just me.

I have several break sticks. It was actually really easy to just open her mouth and pull her off. I am very use to handling dogs that are tense. I am a vet assistant. The reason I mentioned the fact that Diva is getting spayed is not because I thought it would change her behaviour..I'm trying to find out if giving these 2 dogs a couple of weeks to heal...then gradually testing the waters is a good idea or not. It sounds like you experienced bully breed owners are thinking...NOT *sighhhhhh*



It should be easy for you to pry their mouths open but it will always be safer to use a break stick and I was thinking more for your sons sake than yours. I would hate to see anyone injured accidentally. Dogs don’t need a healing period. Again they’re not like humans. They don’t hold grudges or have that type of memory. The last time I had my grew together off lead Kaos and Ciara got into it over a ball. It wasn’t a bad fight fortunately and I was on them quickly scooping up Kaos but there was blood. Literally two minutes later they were in the car all together and Kaos was licking Ciara’s wounds laying together.

Thank you for your helpful response btw. I appreciate it.

I’m sorry you’re going through this and I don’t intend to sound mean or like I’m giving you a hard time. I just don’t want to see anyone hurt, dog or human, and being honest about the truth and my perspective. I hope things work out. I really do.

PS - most of my response is in the quoted section. I tried to make the font different but couldn’t from my phone!




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I’m sorry you’re going through this and I don’t intend to sound mean or like I’m giving you a hard time. I just don’t want to see anyone hurt, dog or human, and being honest about the truth and my perspective. I hope things work out. I really do.

PS - most of my response is in the quoted section. I tried to make the font different but couldn’t from my phone!




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LOL, I know they aren't sharks and attack at the scent of blood. I was thinking maybe it triggered her memory of the fight. She's a smart girl.

As far as her tail wagging...I'm definitely not misinterpreting it. I know her well enough by now. When she has gone after Scooter her tail is dead straight and her body is still. So yesterday, I kept her on a slip lead and let them get near each other. She immediately did the same stance she did the second time she went after Scooter. She kind of puts her head over his shoulders (being dominant). I pulled her away at that moment, one second later and she would have chomped him again, I'm sure of it.

Listen, as far as my having so many pets and kids...shit happens eh? If I have to get personal and explain, I will. My husband whom I have been with for 27 yrs decided to just walk out the door and dump everything on my plate without paying any support money until I finally nailed him in court last week. This forced me to to get a job (vet assistant which I love), take care of our 3 children, 6 pets, home and property, by myself literally 100% of the time, all while battling with him in court and through lawyers. I'm also taking a university level course to top it all off. I have zero help with any of this, no family near me, and the friends I have lead busy lives too. So I'm doing what I can, and I'm still doing it well. I'm sorry if I sounded selfish by wanting to find a convenient solution for myself, but come on..I am one person and can only do so much. I would NEVER EVER EVER consider giving up a pet. So don't even suggest it!

I have continued to keep them separated. I have tall fencing (ex-pen), and when I'm home I just stretch it right down the middle of the living room and kitchen (we have an open concept), I keep a dog on either side. Diva completely respects the fence..and if I use a baby gate in front of my bedroom door, she respects that too (I do shut the door when I'm not right there observing). She doesn't go after Scooter at all. If I put her on a leash, she behaves as well. It's weird...she only seems to react when she walks up to him and they are close enough to touch. Scooter is not an in your face type of dog at all, so I don't believe he is triggering her in any way. During our walk 2 nights ago (just me and her) she had an unleashed dog come right for her, it would not back off...Diva didn't do anything. She has passed by probably 20 dogs since she fought Scooter and she has zero reaction. She seems to ONLY have it in for him, and only when she goes right up to him. I can't figure it out..

Oh, and I lectured my son about the break stick..he's a 300 lb teenager, much bigger and stronger than me...and will do what he wants.

Here's a couple recent pics of the little miss badass...she grew up beautifully.



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LOL, I know they aren't sharks and attack at the scent of blood. I was thinking maybe it triggered her memory of the fight. She's a smart girl.

As far as her tail wagging...I'm definitely not misinterpreting it. I know her well enough by now. When she has gone after Scooter her tail is dead straight and her body is still. So yesterday, I kept her on a slip lead and let them get near each other. She immediately did the same stance she did the second time she went after Scooter. She kind of puts her head over his shoulders (being dominant). I pulled her away at that moment, one second later and she would have chomped him again, I'm sure of it.

Listen, as far as my having so many pets and kids...shit happens eh? If I have to get personal and explain, I will. My husband whom I have been with for 27 yrs decided to just walk out the door and dump everything on my plate without paying any support money until I finally nailed him in court last week. This forced me to to get a job (vet assistant which I love), take care of our 3 children, 6 pets, home and property by myself literally 100% of the time, all while battling with him in court and through lawyers. I'm also taking a university level course to top it all off. I have zero help with any of this, no family near me, and the friends I have lead busy lives too. So I'm doing what I can, and I'm still doing it well. I'm sorry if I sounded selfish by wanting to find a convenient solution for myself, but come on..I am one person and can only do so much. I would NEVER EVER EVER consider giving up a pet. So don't even suggest it!

I have continued to keep them separated. I have tall fencing (ex-pen), and when I'm home I just stretch it right down the middle of the living room and kitchen (we have an open concept), I keep a dog on either side. Diva completely respects the fence..and if I use a baby gate in front of my bedroom door, she respects that too (I do shut the door when I'm not right there observing). She doesn't go after Scooter at all. If I put her on a leash, she behaves as well. It's weird...she only seems to react when she walks up to him and they are close enough to touch. Scooter is not an in your face type of dog at all, so I don't believe he is triggering her in any way. During our walk 2 nights ago (just me and her) she had an unleashed dog come right for her, it would not back off...Diva didn't do anything. She has passed by probably 20 dogs since she fought Scooter and she has zero reaction. She seems to ONLY have it in for him, and only when she goes right up to him. I can't figure it out..

Oh, and I lectured my son about the break stick..he's a 300 lb teenager, much bigger and stronger than me...and will do what he wants.
I never meant to offend you and if I did, I apologize. I didn't mean any judgement, only saying what I believe and do.

Listen, I get it. My (not soon enough to be ex) husband, whom I now know is a narcissist, threw me out of the house less than a year ago so he could move his crack loving, dog abusing, homeless, jobless girlfriend into my house - he literally moved her in the exact same day I moved out. I took the DD with me when I left but I couldn't take Ciara. After a few months went by he got in contact with me to help him evict her because he admitted she was beating Ciara and a whole list of other things. After I spent the good part of a month getting her evicted, getting Ciara back to not being terrified of being touched, filing police report after police report for that POS, he gets back with her because I won't move back in with him and pay for the house. At that point I took Ciara because she was obviously beaten and neglected and I will not stand by and watch that happen to my best friend. Now he hasn't paid the mortgage on the house at all since September when I left, in fact he hasn't paid ANY bills a lot of which are in both names. So he trashed my credit, I've got three dogs in a one bedroom apartment where I'm only allowed to have 2, I'm also paying lawyer and vet bills out my rear and now have to come up with another 3k to file bankruptcy because he trashed my credit so bad and I can't get out from under all HIS debt. So I get it.

On top of that Kaos is showing selective DA and I prevent more fights than I'd like between the dogs. It's to the point where he tolerates Ciara but nothing more and vice versa. I am desperately trying to find new housing and a new job and relocate without much success so far. My family and "friends" ALL beat feet because of my ex and him making everyone believe I'm the crazy one - even my own parents won't associate with me. I have ZERO friends locally and the few friends I do have are on here or not even remotely local. I have absolutely NO help either and am only one person. So I get it; you're preaching to the choir.

I am not trying to play tit for tat or "who's got it worse" - please don't think I am. I'm just simply pointing out that I get it and you're not the only one in that position. Sometimes rehoming pets is what is in THEIR best interest. I won't ever say that I will never get rid of a pet because I will ALWAYS do what is in the pets best interest. And no one loves their dogs more than I do. They have been my life line, along with a few select people, and literally have been the only reason I have gotten out of bed MANY days. But I will always do what is right for them, no matter what, even if that means it will be devastating to me.

I hope you find a way for things to work out, and I mean that sincerely. It sounds like you have a good system in place at home. You do what you have to do to make things work and I won't ever begrudge anyone that.
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I never meant to offend you and if I did, I apologize. I didn't mean any judgement, only saying what I believe and do.

Listen, I get it. My (not soon enough to be ex) husband, whom I now know is a narcissist, threw me out of the house less than a year ago so he could move his crack loving, dog abusing, homeless, jobless girlfriend into my house - he literally moved her in the exact same day I moved out. I took the DD with me when I left but I couldn't take Ciara. After a few months went by he got in contact with me to help him evict her because he admitted she was beating Ciara and a whole list of other things. After I spent the good part of a month getting her evicted, getting Ciara back to not being terrified of being touched, filing police report after police report for that POS, he gets back with her because I won't move back in with him and pay for the house. At that point I took Ciara because she was obviously beaten and neglected and I will not stand by and watch that happen to my best friend. Now he hasn't paid the mortgage on the house at all since September when I left, in fact he hasn't paid ANY bills a lot of which are in both names. So he trashed my credit, I've got three dogs in a one bedroom apartment where I'm only allowed to have 2, I'm also paying lawyer and vet bills out my rear and now have to come up with another 3k to file bankruptcy because he trashed my credit so bad and I can't get out from under all HIS debt. So I get it.

On top of that Kaos is showing selective DA and I prevent more fights than I'd like between the dogs. It's to the point where he tolerates Ciara but nothing more and vice versa. I am desperately trying to find new housing and a new job and relocate without much success so far. My family and "friends" ALL beat feet because of my ex and him making everyone believe I'm the crazy one - even my own parents won't associate with me. I have ZERO friends locally and the few friends I do have are on here or not even remotely local. I have absolutely NO help either and am only one person. So I get it; you're preaching to the choir.

I am not trying to play tit for tat or "who's got it worse" - please don't think I am. I'm just simply pointing out that I get it and you're not the only one in that position. Sometimes rehoming pets is what is in THEIR best interest. I won't ever say that I will never get rid of a pet because I will ALWAYS do what is in the pets best interest. And no one loves their dogs more than I do. They have been my life line, along with a few select people, and literally have been the only reason I have gotten out of bed MANY days. But I will always do what is right for them, no matter what, even if that means it will be devastating to me.

I hope you find a way for things to work out, and I mean that sincerely. It sounds like you have a good system in place at home. You do what you have to do to make things work and I won't ever begrudge anyone that.
You didn't offend me at all. I was just explaining. Didn't want to seem like a whiner, and WOW..you definitely have it harder than me right now. I have ZERO interaction with my ex, so it makes things a lot easier. Sounds like we are in the same boat pretty much..at least I know that I'm not the only one.

As far as rehoming..I really feel strongly about never giving up my pets. I just don't see any reason good enough to warrant it (other than not being able to feed them and keep them alive). I really feel that rehoming a DA Amstaff would be especially hard and a terrible thing to do to her. That's how these dogs end up in shelters, and rehomed, after rehomed, after rehomed...I knew she had the potential to be this way when I decided to buy her. I had done my research on the breed. This is not her fault, plus I love her like crazy. I will work this out, even if things have to stay exactly as they are right now. Our setup so far, is working ok.

So sorry you are going through such a mess right now. You seem like a good person and are always helpful to everyone here. I truly believe in "karma", things have to work out for you soon. These narcissistic assholes seem to always get away with shit..it doesn't last forever though. It does catch up with them eventually (trust me, I just saw it in the court room last week, I won - big time). I'm so glad you saved Ciara. That's really sad what was going on.
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Old 04-30-2018, 09:00 AM   #10 (permalink)
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On another note, it sounds like it may not even be a DA issue. It could very well be a dominance thing from what you're describing. Diva may well be coming into her own and trying to assert her dominance over Scooter. If that's the case, it's up to you to put her in her place and assert your dominance as leader of the pack and make it known to her that she is at the bottom. I would start the NILF training process (nothing in life is free) - make her wait to be fed last, make her wait for permission to get on the sofa, make her wait for attention, make her wait her turn for everything, and so on. With assertiveness and consistency on your part, that may solve your problem but until then I would keep doing what you're doing with keeping them separated or closely watched. Don't force interactions between them or "test" the waters. Although Kaos is showing DA with dogs outside the house, I also have to have a strong hand with him. Luckily both he and Ciara are obedient and go to their separate corners when told. He respects me as the pack leader but there are certainly times when I continue to have to put him in his place and knock him down a peg or two. Ciara has accepted him as the alpha dog but she doesn't tolerate his nonsense either which is when I have to send them to their corners (or him to his crate and her to time out on the sofa while Nala and I chill on the balcony and ignore them both!).

I'm sorry you're going through what you're going through. I can honestly say I know how that feels and it sucks.
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Old 04-30-2018, 09:08 AM   #11 (permalink)
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You didn't offend me at all. I was just explaining. Didn't want to seem like a whiner, and WOW..you definitely have it harder than me right now. I have ZERO interaction with my ex, so it makes things a lot easier. Sounds like we are in the same boat pretty much..at least I know that I'm not the only one.

As far as rehoming..I really feel strongly about never giving up my pets. I just don't see any reason good enough to warrant it (other than not being able to feed them and keep them alive). I really feel that rehoming a DA Amstaff would be especially hard and a terrible thing to do to her. That's how these dogs end up in shelters, and rehomed, after rehomed, after rehomed...I knew she had the potential to be this way when I decided to buy her. I had done my research on the breed. This is not her fault, plus I love her like crazy. I will work this out, even if things have to stay exactly as they are right now. Our setup so far, is working ok.

So sorry you are going through such a mess right now. You seem like a good person and are always helpful to everyone here. I truly believe in "karma", things have to work out for you soon. These narcissistic assholes seem to always get away with shit..it doesn't last forever though. It does catch up with them eventually (trust me, I just saw it in the court room last week, I won - big time). I'm so glad you saved Ciara. That's really sad what was going on.
Definitely not the only one! He's still threatening me and saying a whole bunch of nonsense claiming he's going to get me fired and arrested for "stealing" the dog even though the pd has already told him that's a no go. He's a moron and you're right he will get what's coming to him! We've both had a rough go of it but we're strong and better off and will definitely come out on top and better for it.

I understand and appreciate your thoughts on rehoming. I agree wholeheartedly with all of your points. I would rehome if I had to for the sake of a dog but only through a careful vetting process to someone with experience with the breeds that I got to know and trusted would take care of my dog.

And thank you, I try to help where I can but never intend to offend (well not unless it's well deserved! LOL) There isn't anything I wouldn't do for any of my three and I know things will be easier when I can find more suitable housing hopefully with a yard of some sort. The DD don't get nearly the exercise that they need but I can't leave C home alone or she beys annoying the neighbors and she has a bad back end so I can't take her and run her with the young ones either. It's just a sucky living situation but it will get better! Only up from here for both of us!
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On another note, it sounds like it may not even be a DA issue. It could very well be a dominance thing from what you're describing. Diva may well be coming into her own and trying to assert her dominance over Scooter. If that's the case, it's up to you to put her in her place and assert your dominance as leader of the pack and make it known to her that she is at the bottom. I would start the NILF training process (nothing in life is free) - make her wait to be fed last, make her wait for permission to get on the sofa, make her wait for attention, make her wait her turn for everything, and so on. With assertiveness and consistency on your part, that may solve your problem but until then I would keep doing what you're doing with keeping them separated or closely watched. Don't force interactions between them or "test" the waters. Although Kaos is showing DA with dogs outside the house, I also have to have a strong hand with him. Luckily both he and Ciara are obedient and go to their separate corners when told. He respects me as the pack leader but there are certainly times when I continue to have to put him in his place and knock him down a peg or two. Ciara has accepted him as the alpha dog but she doesn't tolerate his nonsense either which is when I have to send them to their corners (or him to his crate and her to time out on the sofa while Nala and I chill on the balcony and ignore them both!).

I'm sorry you're going through what you're going through. I can honestly say I know how that feels and it sucks.
That's exactly what I think is going on. It's almost like a terrible two's phase. I have always fed her last, given Scooter the first treat etc..but in general treated them as equals. I've noticed with her change in attitude towards Scooter, she's also being a little unruly..such as jumping up on me and putting her feet on the counter, crowding my daughter on the couch. Attempting to take food off the coffee table. She knows better! I make her listen to me and stop her from doing those things..but she's slowlyyyy doing what I say now rather than just hopping to it. She still respects me though, she does listen. It really seems like a developmental phase, but it must be nipped in the bud or it could get worse! I am going to google "NILF training process".

See! This is why I came here. You guys always help. I never would have known Diva was knuckling over as a puppy if it wasn't pointed out to me here. I think it was Eckomac that noticed in a pic and pointed it out.

Thank you so much for taking the time to chat and help. Now I have something to focus on to try to help the situation.
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Yep definitely sounds like she's become a petulant doggy teenager/terrible two! You're exactly right - developmental phase that must be nipped in the bud before it gets worse and she thinks she rules the roost!

I'm almost always around to chat and will help where/when I can. I think there's a stickie here about NILF but if not google will get you plenty of results and ideas. I really think it will help you - that and time. Dogs, like kids, do eventually grow out of this phase but just like kids, they need us to be the boss and make sure they stay in line!

Good luck and keep us posted!
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Yep definitely sounds like she's become a petulant doggy teenager/terrible two! You're exactly right - developmental phase that must be nipped in the bud before it gets worse and she thinks she rules the roost!

I'm almost always around to chat and will help where/when I can. I think there's a stickie here about NILF but if not google will get you plenty of results and ideas. I really think it will help you - that and time. Dogs, like kids, do eventually grow out of this phase but just like kids, they need us to be the boss and make sure they stay in line!

Good luck and keep us posted!
Yep, I will fill you in for sure

I knew something seemed different about this situation. I am familiar with DA and dealt with a big dog who had it for 17 yrs. He was my best friends dog (rip). We tried curbing it or helping him get over it..there was no chance. We had to learn how to manage it and keep other dogs safe.

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