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Old 08-01-2019, 02:38 AM   #1 (permalink)
 

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Dog fight. Need opinions

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Today the 1 year old Male American Bully fought an older male Weiner dog. Both are intact. These arenít my dogs but my aunt gave me permission to do sport and train him. After doing a 5 min flirt pole session chaos happened.

While standing near a chicken coup looking at the animals the weiner dog came over to us for pets. We payed no mind to him. The Bully has came over and laid near us under the shade but when the weiner dog came over for attention the Bully then shoved the small dog onto the ground and laid on top of him. Now the giant tortoise then when after the Bully and plowed his way on top of the little dog. I tried my hardest to pull The Bully off but it was hard to grasp his tight thick skin. I have broken up fights before but never with a bull breed. My boyfriend was there who doesnít own dogs. So he wasnít much help. The tortoise would roll into the little dog when youíd pull the Bull off.

The Bull got ahold of the the little dog and drug him to another part of the yard. Finally my Boyfriend got the small dog and held him high but the Bull kept jumping trying to bite the little dog. You could hear his jaws clamping. I was calm and not yelling. Talking calmly. The bf was extremely stressed as he has never broke up a fight before.

After this I believe itís better to postpone his bite work evaluation and get him evaluated for for some sort of aggression?? Could it be that 1. This was caused by his prey drive and from doing the flirt pole session? And 2. Theyíre both intact males.

What steps would you take? Crate and rotate? Rehoming? Just curious to hear from you all. Iím a shepherd person and this is my first time with a bull breed. Would like to know what the Bully and APBT people think about this mess.


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Old 08-01-2019, 08:31 PM   #2 (permalink)
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OK, Youíve stepped out of your bounds of knowledge, nobody works a dog while another dog is present. Flirt Poll brings any dog to its height of excitement. Any dog would pop and do what you described. He was in prey drive and doxies are prey. You set that bully and dachshund up for failure...with that said, donít do it again unless dogs are secure and itís safe to proceed. Bite work I would pass on at this point, work on obedience until you get a good understanding of the bully before you end up with a confused dog. Modify the work to avoid bite work till you are confident the dog will respond for you. Remember that there is a time and a place to push a dog and stay in control
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OK, Youíve stepped out of your bounds of knowledge, nobody works a dog while another dog is present. Flirt Poll brings any dog to its height of excitement. Any dog would pop and do what you described. He was in prey drive and doxies are prey. You set that bully and dachshund up for failure...with that said, donít do it again unless dogs are secure and itís safe to proceed. Bite work I would pass on at this point, work on obedience until you get a good understanding of the bully before you end up with a confused dog. Modify the work to avoid bite work till you are confident the dog will respond for you. Remember that there is a time and a place to push a dog and stay in control


Yes thank you for your response. I very much realized that I set them up for failure and cannot stop thinking about that. Iíve read a few books on schutzhund and drive work and I just didnít think about the Doxie cuz he was away sleeping during flirt pole. I have put a hold on bite work until things are fixed and heís more behaved. Just wanted to hear from you guys here since you have more knowledge on the breed.

However, I was told he often does lay on top of the doxie and mouth him. When no toys are present.

I completely understand I failed. I am thinking about taking him for obedience with a trainer at a place called Canine Purpose here in California to have better guidance.


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Trainers are always a good idea. At least to see what they have going, a lot are full of it but even then you can still learn something.. Keep working that dog, don’t let little things get in the way of making an awesome dog out of him. I’d like to see pictures of these two clowns… Anyways, try and keep us posted.
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Trainers are always a good idea. At least to see what they have going, a lot are full of it but even then you can still learn something.. Keep working that dog, donít let little things get in the way of making an awesome dog out of him. Iíd like to see pictures of these two clownsÖ Anyways, try and keep us posted.




His name is Chapo. For years Iíve always been interested in working dogs and dog sports so until I get my working line shep from the breeder my aunt is letting me do whatever I want with him. Currently I have an old gsd so we stick to nose work sports and are finishing up our last two CGC testings.



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I agree with Redog and his advice. Before you work any kind of skill or work, you need to have a basic obedience foundation. Work obedience, including focus and leave it commands.

You say your background is in GSD’s and you’re pursuing bite work with your AmBully. When you speak of bite work, do you mean protection type work? While it can be done, you should know that the Bull breeds do not typically make good protection dogs or protection sport dogs. It goes against the breed standard and their genetics. Yes it can be done but personally, having an ex husband who was certified in training/handling protection dogs and myself have some knowledge in the Bull breeds, I would recommend sticking to GSDs for protection work/sport or a Mal if you’re looking for a smaller, faster dog. IMHO for what it’s worth....
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Lesser aggression of your dog will be lesser problem for you. I suggest you go for the professional training of your dog in this regard. They are part of our family. And when they are more friendly and loving, you and the people around you will enjoy his company. Try to find a professional dog trainer like Camp Bow Wow, Middlesex, where I had tried for my Dog Ronnie. They know what is up with your dog and what can be done to change them. Ronnie was used to be aggressive and due to that, we had several small accidents. Once my friend suggested to get him trained, and I tried it. He was very improved after his training and more friendly than ever. I don't know if you should do the exact. In case you have time and the problem is not on a big scale you can try to train yourself. We were working kind of 10 hours so we could do that. Hope this might solve your problem.
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