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Old 04-15-2010, 05:58 AM   #31 (permalink)
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I came here to make both those points. I think people project too many human traits onto their animals.
I agree, people DO personify animals a LOT
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Old 04-15-2010, 06:21 PM   #32 (permalink)
 
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I think it all has to do with the dog's experiences. Lady is afraid of black men, but I know it is not the fact that someone is black because she likes black women just fine. We speculate that she was mistreated by a black man as a pup (we didnt get her til almost 4 months old, and she was in bad shape). I have black friend that jokes that shes racist, but really, with dogs, it's all about their past experiences. When we got her, she cowered at the sign of any male, but now it is just black men. My uncle's chi was mistreated before they rescued it, and he will attack anyone wearing a baseball cap. It's funny, you can put on a hat...growl...take it off...tail wags...on...growl...and so forth.
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Old 04-15-2010, 06:35 PM   #33 (permalink)
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i had a dog that hated red if u wore red around him he would try to eat u up
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Old 04-15-2010, 08:23 PM   #34 (permalink)
 
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Speaking of race in America is about as safe as going to the Black Rock to pick up dynamite.



And yet, like a train crash, i can't help but just sit and watch what's about to happen. I specifically chose not to get involved in this thread, no good will come out of it. Yet my masochistic voyuerism compels me to keep checking in on it.
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Old 04-15-2010, 08:34 PM   #35 (permalink)
 
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Speaking of race in America is about as safe as going to the Black Rock to pick up dynamite.



And yet, like a train crash, i can't help but just sit and watch what's about to happen. I specifically chose not to get involved in this thread, no good will come out of it. Yet my masochistic voyuerism compels me to keep checking in on it.
lmao. i didn't claim anything just stated what i've seen from my own dogs
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Old 04-15-2010, 08:40 PM   #36 (permalink)
 
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I do not feel it is possible for a dog to be "racist" without some sort of training involved or abuse from said race..
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Old 04-15-2010, 08:59 PM   #37 (permalink)
 
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A dog can not comprehend race. So it can not be racist.
It can be described as "prejudice" for lack of a better term.
Prejudice against big dogs, or dark or light skinned people, or human males with red hair , but even so, to use the word prejudice on a canine to me sounds a bit anthropomorphic.

A prejudice is a prejudgement: i.e. a preconceived belief, opinion, or judgment made without ascertaining the facts of a case.

A dog can not ascertain facts in a case. It can be predisposed to feeling aggressive toward certian things in certain situations, but these definitions ( racism, prejudice) only apply to human cognition.

( sorry if i sound like a 19th century English language professor )



So we are left with the question...
Do dogs sometimes have a tendency to be aggressive or afraid toward humans with certain acknowledgeable physical traits?
That's very easy... of course.

Do these physical traits sometimes include race?
Not so much race, but an easily distinguishable physical trait. A trait that the dog in question might have had a negative counteraction with.
So , yeah. The color of someone's skin can be a aggressing factor with some dogs. Whether it be by unfamiliarity or past experience.


My Tyson's radar goes up around large men wearing blue. I would love to put him on a couch and ask him to speak of why this is so, yet he only speaks doggy.

I can only imagine that in his younger times, something traumatizing happened to him with a large man wearing blue.

When I noticed this I began working on it, and he is less suspicious now.

...yet he still hates guys who wear their sweaters over their shoulders... and I got to be honest, I dont blame him, I cant stand that either.





...just thought id make you guys laugh, i myself am amused at the fact that I am even getting into this in such a philosophical manner.

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Old 04-15-2010, 09:03 PM   #38 (permalink)
 
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so why would my dogs respond in such a way to much darker skinned males? lace hadn't ever been around them before and moose boy was a rescue. he may have had a reason as i suspected abuse when i got him. i dunno how else to explain it.
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Old 04-15-2010, 09:25 PM   #39 (permalink)
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Are all dogs blind or something? im sure they can tell a darker skined person, even tho they see black and white it would be darker to them!
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Old 04-15-2010, 09:45 PM   #40 (permalink)
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my cousin has some racist dogs.. they DO NOT like blacks...
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Old 04-15-2010, 09:57 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Old 04-15-2010, 10:11 PM   #42 (permalink)
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I can't believe that fear and unfamiliarity is being confused for racism.
Ugh you guys look. If a dog see something that it's unfamiliar with that it perceives as a threat, it WILL bark in defense mode. Racism comes from something deeper than skin color and different scent. That's all it is with in a dog. If your dog saw a llama or a lion it would act exactly the same as it would a person if different ethnicity simply for the fact that it has not been familiarized and socialized with said life form and situation. All there is too it. For those of you who are so into socializing your dogs, you need to take it a bit further than your friends and you friends dogs. It just becomes a bigger family, won't be seen as the public. To think a dog could hate, or even more so think a dog would hate someone for their race, nationality, or creed is just a ignorant as saying that a dog would hate someone because he is a bill collector. Another point I'm gonna make, before I end this post and walk away from this thread is this:
Your dog KNOWS you, and if you are scared of or hostile towards somebody, your dog will pick up on it real quick. You may tell yourself that you aren't like that, but lets be honest guys.... A majority of Americans are racist. My grandmother is a teacher, TODAY she was at a workshop. In that level of teaching, at the end of the day they will turn on music and have the children dance with eachother. The kids ONLY feel comfortable doing so if the class is predominately a single race. And I'm out like that


I'm going to say this ..... I hope we did not scare away or insult members because of this post. I'm insulted by it even being a thought I would hate for my son who is black to come read that because he is black a dog may not like him, he has enough to worry about because of the color of his skin.... honestly if I can curse right now I would thats how annoyed I am by the posting in this thread ... I'm disgusted ...
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fortunately i made it past 3rd grade and wouldn't say anything that ignorant
haha you made it farther than me bro pike is friendly with every1, blacks, white, purple ppl, green ppl, just not stray dogs. and i dont think he is "color" oriented with them either....
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Old 04-15-2010, 11:00 PM   #45 (permalink)
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Umm... correct me if I'm wrong here, but aren't dogs color blind!? To my knowledge, they are, and they only see varying levels of grey... so the race thing wouldn't necessarily be an issue. They can only judge ppl by past experiences. To the OP... maybe the guy who walked by and caused your friend's dog to go bizerk has encountered her before and teased her or just has a bad aura about him all together!? Just my opinion here. I am upset about this thread, as Ronnie is, b/c we are of mixed ethnicity and so are our children! You guys really need to be a little more cautious of how you word things on here... remember, us members are not the only ones who can read these threads!! Anybody can read em, and use anything and everything against us!! Just a friendly reminder! Thanks and have a great day!
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