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Old 04-26-2010, 02:38 PM   #16 (permalink)
 
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I used to have one years ago that when he saw another male if he was on a leash he would turn around and nip my thigh to be let go, but no real harm was ever done. I had a couple that would snag me playing tug as well.
Never had one purposely bite me.
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Yea it happened to me once braking up a bad fight in the street. It was both of my own dog I took them out for a run and they saw another dog and my boy Chucky at the time decided to take the aggression out on his buddy and bite him… As I broke up the fight he still wanted to get him and I put my hand in the way and bite me by mistake. As soon as he bite me he knew something was awfully wrong, automatically the fight stopped and he looked at me with the old school puppy face like it was not me that peed on your floor. Things were very calm around the house for like two days no attempted fights or anything. But the dog knew he had bite his owner the instant he clamped his teeth on me and released rite away… And now I have something to remember him by…. Lol.. the scar that he left me.
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Old 04-26-2010, 07:32 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Dosia has grabbed my finger while playing tug of war but when I said ouch he let go right away. He broke the skin and it bled for a while but nothing to serious.


My best friend had 4 pits and went out to feed them and one got out of her kennel and attacked the one that was out. As she tried to pull them apart one of the dogs took her whole finger off and swallowed it. Needless to say they have new kennels and can't get out any more.



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Uhm - sounds like the dog is redirecting at you. That is a HUGE no no.

I would establish better control through NILIF with your dog.
I can understand an accident while playing - we've all been there - but your dog is obviously redirecting on you. IMO - your dog doesnt respect you.

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Undesirable behavior can be caused by many things, including undetected illness. No behavior modification program should begin without first taking the dog to a veterinarian for a complete physical examination. While you're there, give your vet a printed copy of this page and ask if it would be an appropriate technique for you to try. The NILIF program is an accepted standard in dog training/behavior but it is not, and is not intended to be, a substitute for an in-person, professional evaluation of your dog's behavior. This technique is intended for dogs in good health and of sound mind and stable temperament.

The NILIF program is remarkable because it's effective for such a wide variety of problems. A shy, timid dog becomes more relaxed knowing that he has nothing to worry about, his owner is in charge of all things. A dog that's pushing too hard to become "top dog" learns that the position is not available and that his life is far more enjoyable without the title.

It is equally successful with dogs that fall anywhere between those two extremes. The program is not difficult to put into effect and it's not time consuming if the dog already knows a few basic obedience commands. I've never seen this technique fail to bring about a positive change in behavior, however, the change can be more profound in some dogs than others. Most owners use this program in conjunction with other behavior modification techniques such as coping with fear or treatment for aggression. It is a perfectly suitable technique for the dog with no major behavior problems that just needs some fine tuning.

ATTENTION ON DEMAND
The program begins by eliminating attention on demand. When your dog comes to you and nudges your hand, saying "pet me! pet me!" ignore him. Don't tell him "no", don't push him away. Simply pretend you don't notice him. This has worked for him before, so don't be surprised if he tries harder to get your attention. When he figures out that this no longer works, he'll stop. In a pack situation, the top ranking dogs can demand attention from the lower ranking ones, not the other way around. When you give your dog attention on demand you're telling him that he has more status in the pack than you do. Timid dogs become stressed by having this power and may become clingy. They're never sure when you'll be in charge so they can't relax. What if something scary happens, like a stranger coming in the house? Who will handle that? The timid dog that is demanding of attention can be on edge a lot of the time because he has more responsibility than he can handle.

Some dogs see their ability to demand attention as confirmation that they are the "alpha", then become difficult to handle when told to "sit" or "down" or some other demand is placed on them. It is not their leadership status that stresses them out, it's the lack of consistency. They may or may not actually be alpha material, but having no one in the pack that is clearly the leader is a bigger problem than having the dog assume that role full time. Dogs are happiest when the pack order is stable. Tension is created by a constant fluctuation of pack leadership.

EXTINCTION BURSTS
Your dog already knows that he can demand your attention and he knows what works to get that to happen. As of today, it no longer works, but he doesn't know that yet. We all try harder at something we know works when it stops working. If I gave you a twenty dollar bill every time you clapped your hands together, you'd clap a lot. But, if I suddenly stopped handing you money, even though you were still clapping, you'd clap more and clap louder. You might even get closer to me to make sure I was noticing that you were clapping. You might even shout at me "Hey! I'm clapping like crazy over here, where's the money?". If I didn't respond at all, in any way, you'd stop. It wasn't working anymore. That last try -- that loud, frequent clapping is an extinction burst. If, however, during that extinction burst, I gave you another twenty dollar bill you'd be right back in it. It would take a lot longer to get you to stop clapping because you just learned that if you try hard enough, it will work.

When your dog learns that the behaviors that used to get him your attention don't work any more he's going to try harder and he's going to have an extinction burst. If you give him attention during that time you will have to work that much harder to get him turned around again. Telling him "no" or pushing him away is not the kind of attention he's after, but it's still attention. Completely ignoring him will work faster and better.

YOU HAVE THE POWER
As the human and as his owner you have control of all things that are wonderful in his life. This is the backbone of the NILIF program. You control all of the resources. Playing, attention, food, walks, going in and out of the door, going for a ride in the car, going to the dog park. Anything and everything that your dog wants comes from you. If he's been getting most of these things for free there is no real reason for him to respect your leadership or your ownership of these things. Again, a timid dog is going to be stressed by this situation, a pushy dog is going to be difficult to handle. Both of them would prefer to have you in charge.

To implement the NILIF program you simply have to have your dog earn his use of your resources. He's hungry? No problem, he simply has to sit before his bowl is put down. He wants to play fetch? Great! He has to "down" before you throw the ball. Want to go for a walk or a ride? He has to sit to get his lead snapped on and has to sit while the front door is opened. He has to sit and wait while the car door is opened and listen for the word (I use "OK") that means "get into the car". When you return he has to wait for the word that means "get out of the car" even if the door is wide open. Don't be too hard on him. He's already learned that he can make all of these decisions on his own. He has a strong history of being in control of when he gets these resources. Enforce the new rules, but keep in mind that he's only doing what he's been taught to do and he's going to need some time to get the hang of it all.

You're going to have to pay attention to things that you probably haven't noticed before. If you feed your dog from your plate do you just toss him a green bean? No more. He has to earn it. You don't have to use standard obedience commands, any kind of action will do. If your dog knows "shake" or "spin around" or "speak" use those commands. Does your dog sleep on your bed? Teach him that he has to wait for you to say "OK" to get on the bed and he has to get down when you say "off". Teach him to go to his bed, or other designated spot, on command. When he goes to his spot and lays down tell him "stay" and then release him with a treat reward. Having a particular spot where he stays is very helpful for when you have guests or otherwise need him out of the way for a while. It also teaches him that free run of the house is a resource that you control. There are probably many things that your dog sees as valuable resources that I haven't mentioned here.

The NILIF program should not be a long, drawn out process. All you need to do is enforce a simple command before allowing him access to what he wants. Dinner, for example, should be a two or three second encounter that consists of nothing more than saying "sit", then "good dog!", then putting the bowl down and walking away.

ATTENTION AND PLAY
Now that your dog is no longer calling the shots you will have to make an extra effort to provide him with attention and play time. Call him to you, have him "sit" and then lavish him with as much attention as you want. Have him go get his favorite toy and play as long as you both have the energy. The difference is that now you will be the one initiating the attention and beginning the play time. He's going to depend on you now, a lot more than before, to see that he gets what he needs. What he needs most is quality time with you. This would be a good time to enroll in a group obedience class. If his basic obedience is top notch, see about joining an agility class or fly ball team.

NILIF DOES *NOT* MEAN THAT YOU HAVE TO RESTRICT THE AMOUNT OF ATTENTION YOU GIVE TO YOUR DOG. The NILIF concept speaks to who initiates the attention (you!), not the amount of attention. Go ahead and call your dog to you 100 times a day for hugs and kisses!! You can demand his attention, he can no longer demand yours!

Within a day or two your dog will see you in a whole new light and will be eager to learn more. Use this time to teach new things, such as 'roll over' or learn the specific names of different toys.

If you have a shy dog, you'll see a more relaxed dog. There is no longer any reason to worry about much of anything. He now has complete faith in you as his protector and guide. If you have a pushy dog he'll be glad that the fight for leadership is over and his new role is that of devoted and adored pet.



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yeah, i felt like she did turn on me. like she was trying to get that cat and didnt want anything on her way, like she completely went blind cuz she was so angry. that is scary I can only go out in the street now if shes wearing a muzzle. im very concerned now cuz my mom is moving in with me and she is scared of my dog. i know she barks at people that act like they are scared of her.
i tried to follow this NILIF once but i didnt have many results. ill try again and see what happens.
only she didnt hate cats
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Old 04-27-2010, 12:01 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Yeah my dogs have tagged me but I got in their way. Shattered finger, surgery, timeoff from work- the whole works. In the end it was a great thing because then I really got to spend great quality time with them. I cried when I had to go back to work.
Same here 100s of stitches and the whole 9 yards this happened when two of mine bumped heads over a stray that got into the yard.....Totally our fault dogs were plain as day going after each other but someone got in the middle of it all and sometimes that happens
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Old 04-27-2010, 12:22 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Daisy has gotten my fingers a few times when playing catch with her.. she would lung after the ball and catch a finger sometimes.. now she waits patiently
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bams bit me on accident when i was going for a toy or somthing, never bad though.

one time angel and bam got into it over a bone, and pulled bam up by his neck shoulder area and angel was still goin for the same area and bit me in the hand pretty hard. its was like POWPOWPOW and felt like a stapler or somthing.


you can bet she wont ever do that again, i went off on her, yelling and spanking. you could tell she knew she was in big trouble
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i had this happen a couple weeks ago... was drinkin one night and thot it would be an awesome idea to play tug with lacey and a lil 3 month old puppy. woulda been fine but my overly exciteable foster boy dog came outta the house n grabbed the rope where my finger was. owie. it all kinda happened pretty fast but yeah. doctored it up at home. took almost 3 days to stop beeding... that was 3 weeks ago i think, and now i wish i had gone to the doctor... i realized the other night tryin to play rock band just how messed up it is... can't really bend my left index finger very well... he chomped down right on my middle knuckle, right where it needs to bend. somethins not quite right in there. battle scars make u look BA right??? hahaha
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yeah, i felt like she did turn on me. like she was trying to get that cat and didnt want anything on her way, like she completely went blind cuz she was so angry. that is scary I can only go out in the street now if shes wearing a muzzle. im very concerned now cuz my mom is moving in with me and she is scared of my dog. i know she barks at people that act like they are scared of her.
i tried to follow this NILIF once but i didnt have many results. ill try again and see what happens.
only she didnt hate cats
You CAN do it. Be consistent and dont give up. Also, invest in a crate if your mom is scared. This will help you in training your dog big time. You are calling all the shots. You honestly have to be consistent and if possible - have a trainer (that is familiar with bullies) actually show you how to handle your dog. I did this when I rescued Omi. It was worth the money. Some shelters will offer a lesson pretty cheap. They would love to help you rather than see the dog dropped off at their door!!
Sometimes doing things hands on is better than reading it.
Also - a big, big, big factor is proper exercise!!! I take Omi for a loooooong walk every day (as much as I hate it...lol) If the weather is bad - she goes on a treadmill. It helps relieve pent up energy & saves furniture!! Running around in a yard wont do. I agree with The Dog Whisperer when he compares a backyard to a giant fish bowl.

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My pit actually loves cats, no matter how much she's gotten scratched. But she's accidently bitten me playing tug of war several times, but lets go soon as shes noticed its me.
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