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Old 06-07-2010, 11:06 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Thumbs down Should pit bull dog who bit child and father be killed, or spared?

Funny how this article popped up today on FB. It has a lot to do with my other post about neutering Pits who are aggressive.

In my opinion this lady was very irresponsible, it took her dog attacking a 4 year old and her father to decide that MAYBE she should have gotten him neutered and MAYBE she should have had him in a fenced yard...
She's saying she will do all this now,and muzzle the dog at all times, if she's able to keep it. MAKES ME SICK!

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They're calling him the "Death Row doggie:" a two-year-old pit bull called Snoop who bit a four-year-old girl and her father in January in the Bronx section of New York City.

The dog was taken into custody by New York City's Animal Care & Control department and scheduled for euthanasia by lethal injection -- until a lawyer stepped in and helped Snoop avoid the needle four times thus far, reports the New York Daily News.

"By hook or by crook, I've kept this thing going," the dog's lawyer Rachel Hirschfeld told the NY Daily News. "I'll do anything to keep him alive."

In January, Snoop got loose from his owner's yard and attacked four-year-old Taite Roker as she walked with her father, Terrence Roker. "My family did nothing to provoke this dog," Roker told NY Daily News, explaining what happened.

"[The dog] just lunged at us. I took my daughter and I threw her up on the hood of a parked car," said Roker. "The dog kept jumping up at her and he grabbed her foot and pulled her from the car to the ground. She hit her head on the street. I jumped down to try to get her away from him."

Finally, two city workers driving by stopped and used Mace and sticks to stop the dog's attacks. Taite suffered a bump on her head and gashes to her feet that required stitches. Her father's right leg was "ripped open."

Roker is glad they are alive, and that the attack wasn't worse. He has moved his family out of the neighborhood, and his daughter is now terrified of strange dogs, uncertain if they will attack.

"[My daughter] has nightmares sometimes," Roker told NY Daily News. "When she sees a dog, she totally clings up and runs to me. She asks me if this is a bad dog or a good dog."

Snoop the dog belongs to a 22-year-old female security guard who found Hirschfeld to represent the dog for free, reports NY Daily News. Hirschfeld has delayed the dog's execution by arguing that the canine is entitled to a hearing before an administrative law judge before he can be put down. But such a hearing has yet to be scheduled.

Snoop's owner has offered to to get the dog neutered, place a muzzle on him and keep the pit bull behind a fence, reports the NY Daily News.

"It's pretty sickening to hear that this dog could be spared," Roker told NY Daily News.

It's an issue that is divisive. On the one hand are those with little knowledge of the breed who insist that all pit bulls are dangerous. On the other are dog lovers who lament how bad owners are the ones to blame for poorly trained dogs.

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IMHO this dog should be euthed... Any dog no matter the breed that shows any signs of HA should be...

However the owner of this dog should be held responsible for the actions of her dog which could have been prevented... She should be charged as if she was the one who attacked herself... Maybe "Assault with a deadly weapon" ? Might teach her a lesson

There is unfortunately no way to tell if this attack was due to not being neutered though...
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Old 06-07-2010, 11:30 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I honestly think it should be put down too,and the sooner the better.
The poor dog is stuck in Limbo,just kinda chilling. I bet it's confused and scared. It looks that way in it's picture.
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Old 06-07-2010, 11:34 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I think the dog should be euthanized. However, I do not agree with any dog who shows HA should be euthanized, as their are several breeds in which the characteristic is a breed trait. The American Pit Bull Terrier is not one of those breeds and should be euthanized do the fact the breed is and should be bred to be non HA.

I also disagree with charging the owner with assault with a deadly weapon, as talk like this make government officials and elected officials feel as if the APBT is a weapon or dangerous. In this situation the owner did not send her dog out to attack, so although I find her guilty of violating the city leash laws and being negligent in containing her animal, at the end of the day it is just that a violation of the leash law and failure to contain her dog.

Euthanize the dog, and prohibit the owner from owning another dog for 18 months.

Case closed lol.
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I think the dog should be euthanized. However, I do not agree with any dog who shows HA should be euthanized, as their are several breeds in which the characteristic is a breed trait. The American Pit Bull Terrier is not one of those breeds and should be euthanized do the fact the breed is and should be bred to be non HA.

I also disagree with charging the owner with assault with a deadly weapon, as talk like this make government officials and elected officials feel as if the APBT is a weapon or dangerous. In this situation the owner did not send her dog out to attack, so although I find her guilty of violating the city leash laws and being negligent in containing her animal, at the end of the day it is just that a violation of the leash law and failure to contain her dog.

Euthanize the dog, and prohibit the owner from owning another dog for 18 months.

Case closed lol.
I disagree strongly... I believe that if we as a society start charging all owners of any breed in these instances there would be a lot less of this crap to talk about or make the news... For one people who dont take care of their dogs might think twice about owning one in the first place...

Any dog that shows HA should be euthed for the simple fact that RIGHT NOW its pits they are picking on... whats in the next decade or two? I dont know of any breed out there that true responsible breeders will say that HA is a condoned trait of the breed... (and dont go to the "protective breeds" thats a different ball game)
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I think it should be PTS. As well as any other HA dog.
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Needs to be PTS. Poor dog. They can put down his owner at the same time.
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[B]Dont go to what breeds were bred for?

Breeders should breed for the true temperment of their breed of choice. Dobermans for the most part were bred to a degree to be HA. Now there is a difference between being out of control aggressive and biting for absolutely no reason, well I agree that breeders breed away from certain characteristics when it comes to producing show animals, yes.

To make it more clear I would not put down a Doberman soley on the fact that it was HA, I would a APBT as it is clearly not in the breed standard or description. I would not immiediately put down a Bullmastiff, or Bouvier either.

Side note, I would never put down a APBT for being dog aggressive, however I may put down another breed of dog if it is completely opposite of the breeds description of temperment.

Once again I would not go above and beyond my punishment of this owner, in regards to assault with a deadly weapon as I don't see a APBT as a weapon and would be very conscience of the fact that descriptions as such are often key factors in Legislators proposing BSL.

Any dog other than a dog trained, or told to attack, should not result in the owner being charged with assualt with a deadly weapon.

Last note AKC and UKC judges are aware of breeds that may be HA, and approach and deal with them differently, when examining said breed. [B]

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Again I said not to go with protective breeds such as idk the Doberman along with gsd... I'm am not talking a warning bite here... I'm talking vicious attack for no probable cause...

Let me ask you this.... If owners of dogs who attack humans were hit with criminal charges and maybe ok not so severe as assault with a dealy weapon ( which by the way yes any large or medium dog van be deadly) but simple assault do u think that people might think twice about being irresponsible?

Oh and bsl is just that BREED SPECIFIC .... So if all owners of all breeds were treated the same in what way would that justify BSL?
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i didnt read it just what you said and I saw pit bull and bite, thus I vote for the dog meeting his maker at the first vet they find.
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I disagree strongly... I believe that if we as a society start charging all owners of any breed in these instances there would be a lot less of this crap to talk about or make the news.
I agree as well, charge each owner with a violent crime that demands a prison sentence.
I think people who have children that commit violent crimes should be jailed as well. Their grandparents should also be jailed for having children that had children that became violent.

Let's pass more, stricter laws regarding not only dog ownership but everything else, and when these strict , oppressive laws are not obeyed, lets jail the criminals without a trial.

...you see where I am going.

Dude, stricter laws never did anything except oppress a people.
and it wont keep the dummies away from getting dogs.

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do u think that people might think twice about being irresponsible

Im pretty convinced that they wouldn't think twice...i dont think irresponsible people ever think twice, thats what makes them that way. They still have murder in Death Penalty states do they not?

Thats what makes them dummies, the inability to think rationally and be responsible.
We start jailing dog owners, who next? ( yes there are some cases where the owners should be jailed, but there are enough laws regarding criminal negligence, etc. etc. that fall under the guidelines, no need for new statutes)

strongly, yet respectfully disagree. .

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Put the dog to sleep.An apbt is not supposed to be HA at all!Does not matter if it's neutered or not.
As far charging owners,I have no opinion right now.I would have to think more on the issue.
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I agree as well, charge each owner with a violent crime that demands a prison sentence.
I think people who have children that commit violent crimes should be jailed as well. Their grandparents should also be jailed for having children that had children that became violent.

Let's pass more, stricter laws regarding not only dog ownership but everything else, and when these strict , oppressive laws are not obeyed, lets jail the criminals without a trial.

...you see where I am going.

Dude, stricter laws never did anything except oppress a people.
and it wont keep the dummies away from getting dogs.

you said:
do u think that people might think twice about being irresponsible

Im pretty convinced that they wouldn't think twice...i dont think irresponsible people ever think twice, thats what makes them that way. They still have murder in Death Penalty states do they not?

Thats what makes them dummies, the inability to think rationally and be responsible.
We start jailing dog owners, who next? ( yes there are some cases where the owners should be jailed, but there are enough laws regarding criminal negligence, etc. etc. that fall under the guidelines, no need for new statutes)

strongly, yet respectfully disagree. .
First, I think comparing children to animals is a pointless convo... You are comparing apples to oranges... I know because I have both....
Second, lets play along and compare the two...
Kids: You raise them and teach them everything their little sponge minds will intake you teach them right from wrong and YES you are legally responsible for them until they are 18 years old. At that point you not only hope you have taught them to be the best person they can and pray that they will be even better than you could teach. And throughout their life YES you are there for them but not as overbearingly and YES sometimes still help them with legal problems even though at that point you cannot be held liable (unless your a psycho which is a dfferent topic all together)
Dogs: You raise them and teach them everything their little sponge minds will intake you teach them right from wrong (sound familiar, ok we are going with it) but NO for the most part legally the dog suffers for a crime the OWNER neglected to see coming... (ok lets keep going)... unlike your children your dog/pet will live their entire life with you relying on you for food and shelter and a loving hand in a life long training... but still you can only be held so much responsible for them legally.... Hmmmm sounds a bit dumb to me..

I do believe people would start to think twice if say the first offense is just a citation a fine... but if they dont pay that fine then ooops in jail you go... and the second is a larger fine and mandatory home visits from AC monthly... and third the dog gets put down and the owner get I dont know 30 or more days in jail and cannot own a dog again for 2-5 years depending on the crime.... Just an example

I am the first to say that there are many laws in which I find a tremendous amount of well... stupidity, pointless... however if we as a society dont start to do something about BYBs, animal abusers, animal neglecters, irresponsible owners, careless owners, and so on and so on then we might as well give up on rescuing and trying to help the cause... because these people will out number us eventually if they dont already and it will get to a point where THE LAW will just take all rights...

The government has never made a law without a cause such as an out of control animal situation... They make laws to try to enforce situations that we as human kind have let get out of control...
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The problem in my opinion, is that some dogs that bite are owned by responsible owners. Take for instance the case in question. We have no details on the height of the fence, the material used or.. Chain link, privacy, or concrete. No details on the gate, whether there was a lock, or someone let the dog out. We are missing a lot of details.

Let me argue that the fence was a 5 1/2 foot concrete wall, the dog has never jumped the wall and the owner has no idea the dog could if it chose to. The fence has always kept the animal in and there has never been a escape. The dog has not been raised around children and the owner does not plan to have any. The dog a well rounded pet has not had sufficient contact with other people and for the most part remains at the residence.

Is this owner irresponsible? Negligent? A criminal? To be prosecuted at the full extent of the law?

I will say, as a individual who has donated and raised money for victims of attacks, my heart goes out to the little girl, and the dog should be put down. Why? Not because of the owners negligence but because this dog one bit a child, and even more than that it is a horrible example of the breed, as it is opposite of the most important aspect of being a APBT in my eyes.

As far as the owner, who could be a good citizen and not a street criminal, I think the lost of her beloved pet will serve as punishment.

I will say that repeat offenders should be charged as criminals, when a dog that has attacked and deemed dangerous attacks again. That is true negligence, and should be charged as such.

Stricter laws rarely accomplish what lawmakers think they will. IMO.

As far as BSL, if it were a fair scale but lawmakers will focus on dogs they deem as dangerous, so you guess which will be targeted the 50 pound Border Collie or the 50 pound APBT.
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Again if dog owners of all breeds were treated fairly then that would not constitute bsl... On the note of let say it's the first time this undersocialized dog has gotten out... Is it the owners fault? ABSOLUTELY!!! It is absolutely her fault!! There's no grey area here... As an owner of this specific breed she should have done right by that dog as should any owner of any breed... That's our job as their "masters"!!!

If I a mother of three, working twelve hours a day five days a week, with a hubby,three dogs (2apbt), a cat, three rabbits, fish, land to take care of, and about to take on four rescues can make enough time EVERYDAY for each animal for socialization, training and individual care and attention.... Then I got news for ya one woman hubby or not kids or not CAN make time for one freaking dog!!! She was lazy and careless and now another will be taken of a breed that is already in trouble not to mention yet another news story and you think losing her dog is enough? Nope not me!! Sorry but I'm done with this convo..
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