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Old 06-23-2010, 10:13 PM   #16 (permalink)
 
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First of all Roxy is 2 years old & Rokko is 1 year old and im sorry i am not pro abortion whether or not its to humans or animals that is truely a harsh & cold thing to say & we never s/n either one of them bc thats just cruel like if someone were to take your ovaries & balls off when u were a baby would you like that?.....didnt think so
& also necessary precaution was taken to make sure they were seperated but **** happens
You're just coming off as an irresponsible owner. To say that S/N is cruel is just stupid IMO, S/N of the dog doesn't really change anything about the dog. Plus we really don't need anymore dogs ending up in shelters or bad ownership because of the idiocy that we humans have. If necessary precautions where taken then you wouldn't be posting about her being prego, now would you? I'm not attacking you I'm just stating my opinion.
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First of all Roxy is 2 years old & Rokko is 1 year old and im sorry i am not pro abortion whether or not its to humans or animals that is truely a harsh & cold thing to say & we never s/n either one of them bc thats just cruel like if someone were to take your ovaries & balls off when u were a baby would you like that?.....didnt think so
& also necessary precaution was taken to make sure they were seperated but **** happens
These are the same sad excuses people see on Craigslist everyday... It is call backyard breeding and guess what it is wrong no matter what breed of dog it is... I spend my spare time at the Humane Society volunteering and the sad part is a dog that I walked two or three days ago is most likely not still alive today because there are NOT ENOUGH homes. Bully breeds are especially hard to place in RESPONSIBLE homes.

I vote spay/abort and you are right it is cold, THE COLD HARD TRUTH TO THIS BREED, I can tell you from experience as a breeder, a rescuer and an owner of this breed you are killing those pups already... For every litter of ten "pit bull" pups ONE will live its entire life happy MAYBE ONE!! The rest will die early from being dropped at a shelter (cause they dont stay cute pups forever), being fought to death, being beaten to death, being starved to death or euthed cause someone didnt health test before breeding or temp test and that one ends up being HA or euthed because someone tried to hide it in a BSL county or community or it runs away cause it wasnt secure in its yard/home and gets picked up by AC then goes to the shelter.

Think about these things before you run off saying abortion is cruel or spay/neuter is cruel....

Maybe you should do some more research on the national controversy over this breed and if you truly love the breed stop adding to the stereotype and for goodness sake STOP BEING A BACKYARD BREEDER.
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I do not agree that S/N is cruel, what is cruel is you placing the litter and them maybe not going to the best homes and dieing anyway. If you are willing to do what is right and you want to have the litter then they should go out on contracts saying they need to be S/N by a certain age to avoid the pups your bred producing more pups. That is the responsible way to handle this if you do not want to abort the litter. Again I have many intact dogs who I never plan to breed but I take every precaution they do not get bred. If they did get bred by some accident I would not have a problem aborting the litter and spaying a dog.
The ppl who have your mentality are the ones filling up our animal shelters with unwanted pets because they are not responsible enough to handle things they way they should be handled. While I felt bad at first for you since accidents do happen, after reading your other posts I think you are not better than any other back yard breeder.
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I agree with everything already said. Stuff like this ticks me off so darned bad. I am going to keep my opinion to myself. You guys can say it in a lot nicer way.
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cmon...s/n is cruel now...it's obvious that you are excited about this breeding and just trying to cover it as a so called accidental breeding...you should really quit making excuses and just be real about your byb'ing practices...quit trying to make other people feel bad for giving you real advice...open your mind
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First of all Roxy is 2 years old & Rokko is 1 year old and im sorry i am not pro abortion whether or not its to humans or animals that is truely a harsh & cold thing to say & we never s/n either one of them bc thats just cruel like if someone were to take your ovaries & balls off when u were a baby would you like that?.....didnt think so
& also necessary precaution was taken to make sure they were seperated but **** happens
So spaying and neutering is cruel but growing a litter of up to 14 puppies and having them suck the life out of you and then having to birth them and feed them off of your bodies content for 6 weeks is not not? I think you need to grow up and educate yourself. What is going to happen to these puppies when you sell them off and have no idea where they are going or what you are doing is cruel.
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First of all Roxy is 2 years old & Rokko is 1 year old and im sorry i am not pro abortion whether or not its to humans or animals that is truely a harsh & cold thing to say & we never s/n either one of them bc thats just cruel like if someone were to take your ovaries & balls off when u were a baby would you like that?.....didnt think so
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What is "harsh" is the number of unwanted pit bull puppies put to sleep EVERY SINGLE DAY in the shelter.

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And don't you dare try to tell me you already have responsible homes lined up for as many as 12 puppies... homes that will keep the dogs their entire lives, spay/neuter them which is the responsible thing to do with a non breeding dog. And a home where the dog will be properly trained, contained and the owner is educated and knowledgeable on the breed. You are contributing to the problem.
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idk why yall are throwing me all this stuff if yall dont beleive me i dont care i just asked on opinions on how the pups will look, and i know my research n etc on byb. i am not getting them aborted and i didnt do this on purpose to get money from the litter...so if yall have nothing else to say other than idk what im doin or this is harsh and this isnt the i can care less..at the end probably half of my family will end up taking a pup so i know they will be in good hands
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First of all, you do care or you wouldn't be responding to us. Probably half will go to your family? How do you know your family can be trusted? How do you know they are even educated? What about the other half? What comes to the other half? You gonna just give them away to who ever shows up? How do you even know you can trust your own family, none the less someone who shows up. I know I wouldn't trust my family with this breed as none of them are educated, hell they all think pits and kin have lock jaw. See what we are getting at? Once again, this post isn't to be looked at as an attack on you.
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  • Responsible owners understand the breed is in a "fad" population crisis. They understand the shelters are full of purebred pit bulls dying every day.
  • Responsible owners do not breed puppies for resale. They do NOT breed without a full waiting list. They do not advertise in newspapers or the internet to sell their puppies.
  • Responsible owners do not breed animals which have not been health tested and have correct temperament and conformation. No responsible breeder produces more than one litter a year. Period.
  • Responsible owners will faithfully steward the breed, leaving it in the same condition it was handed to them. They do not change the breed to fit fads such as larger size, overdone bodies or to fit show ring criteria. The do not mix American Staffordshire and American pit bull bloodlines. They understand the purpose and physical requirements of their breed's uses.


Q) Why should I spay my female dog?
A) Because the breed is being destroyed by over population. Unless you have years of experience with the breed, are willing to do health testing, titling and only breed when you have a waiting list - then please, PLEASE, don't breed your dog. EVERY person that sells pit bull pups to the public is part of the PROBLEM - not part of the solution.



Q) Why should I neuter my male dog?

A) If you can keep your male from breeding, if you can keep him from being sexually frustrated by being around females in heat which he can't breed, if you can be responsible enough to not succumb to the temptation to "just breed him once", then not altering can be an option.


Jessup, Diane. "Breeders and Breeding." Official Pit Bull Site of Diane Jessup. 25 Jan. 2008. Web. 24 June 2010. <http://www.workingpitbull.com/breeder.htm>.

You could use an education in responsible ownership. Responsible owners don't breed without a waiting list. I wouldn't necessarily call you a backyard breeder if this is truly an accidental litter; however, it is your responsibility to make sure that you place these puppies in a home that you thoroughly check out (fence, job, even background IMO)yourself so that none of them ever cause any kind of negative pit bull press. What if said family members or friends aren't cut out for having a pit bull. Are you willing to take back any puppies or full grown dogs if they become displaced. Those that really care about their litters microchip them all so if at any time they become displaced, there is a chance they will be notified. IMO it is their duty and responsibility to take the dog back in.

Do your dogs a favor as well as all pit bull type dogs everywhere: Get them spayed/neutered. They will live longer, healthier lives.
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I have spent about 2,000 on the litter I just had and when it is all said and done I will not break even after all the puppies leave and I pay the stud fees and my expenses. It is not about making money it was about producing some working dogs for myself and co-owning the rest out. The hardest part is finding homes. Now I could have found homes easily enough if I gave them to the first person who had money but I turned down over 20 ppl ho were interested because they would not keep the dogs up to my standard the puppies are use to.

i am all in favor of aborting the litter and I also do not agree if you have dogs you never plan on breeding they have to be fixed. if you are responsible enough to keep your dogs separated then I see no problem with having intact animals. However you have to be even more careful if you are going to do that. I understand accidents happen and I had one myself about 9 years ago. I had planned on breeding the bitch just no yet. She was young and I talked with a few breeder vets about it and we agreed to let her have the litter since I had planned to breed to that male anyway. It was a risky because she was young and if I had to do it over I would have spayed her. I did not have the chance to finish her health tests and when I did her hips a year later when she was old enough they were not great. So yes accidents happen but now you really have to step up to the plate and make a tough decision one way or the other.
Yes Lisa but we all know that your average BYB will not spend a dime on the litter and if the female has trouble most likely she will die rather then them taking her in for a c section and paying it.

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First of all Roxy is 2 years old & Rokko is 1 year old and im sorry i am not pro abortion whether or not its to humans or animals that is truely a harsh & cold thing to say & we never s/n either one of them bc thats just cruel like if someone were to take your ovaries & balls off when u were a baby would you like that?.....didnt think so
& also necessary precaution was taken to make sure they were seperated but **** happens
Hmm lol ok so I guess there are a ton of abusers on this board. Come on get real and just be honest, youa re a BYb and think that by calling it an accident its ok. So basically you have a litter of mutts and nothing different then somone can pick up at a pound. If only the city you lived in made spaying and neutering mandatory and you were facing a huge fine then I bet you would get those pups aborted.
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First of all, you do care or you wouldn't be responding to us. Probably half will go to your family? How do you know your family can be trusted? How do you know they are even educated? What about the other half? What comes to the other half? You gonna just give them away to who ever shows up? How do you even know you can trust your own family, none the less someone who shows up. I know I wouldn't trust my family with this breed as none of them are educated, hell they all think pits and kin have lock jaw. See what we are getting at? Once again, this post isn't to be looked at as an attack on you.
Awesome so now if she has 10 pups then that is only what 10 -20 accicental litters a year, sweet So basically in a years time these pups can produce what maybe 100-200 more pit bulls? Yeah that is what we need. Add the next year they all have 1 litter a year and they all have 10 pups wow 1000-2000 more pit bulls. Thank you ever so much for helpingout the declining pit bull numbers

Someone mightwant to check my math lol I am tired.
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Okay you think everyone is abusing you here.... THEY'RE not I promise you they are just sick and tired of seeing this.
Let me ask you one thing you think S/N is cruel and abortion is cruel... Is abuse not cruel? Is murder by a "family" member not cruel? Think of all the kids in the system that are abused everyday of their lives and you think that is not cruel? That someone could have prevented all of this by being responsible first instead of saying no thats cruel well thats what your condeming these dogs too... Your condeming these dogs to at least more then half dying at hands they love that don't really care about them. Here's the reality of life you can be cruel by letting these pups be born allowing your female to suffer or you can do the right thing and save more dogs from dying. If you have family memebers who really want a dog as a pet then tell them incourage them to adopt from a selter! Those dogs need homes. Somewhere to call their own.
Also if you don't believe in S/N their are other ways to Abort the litter at your vet and they can explain it to you or tell you where you can get more information. This is really up to you if you can live with more than 5 dogs dying at the hands they love that YOU gave them too then go ahead with everything but If you have a concience (sp?) then please educate yourself on what is really coming from this and make an educated decision not a selfish one.
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