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Old 06-26-2010, 03:31 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Showing puppies 101

OK, say I get a new pup and decide I want to get him into the show ring, probably ADBA, but who knows. At what age do you start this, what should the pup be able to do, etc.? I've never attended a show before so I was wondering, dumb question coming, how do they (organizers) keep the dog aggressive dogs apart and how much of a concern is it? Are there ever any accidents? Maybe someone who is showing a pup currently can give me a rundown of a typical show procedure. Also, are non cropped dogs discriminated against? Thanks friends
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Old 06-26-2010, 04:22 AM   #2 (permalink)
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excellent questions, i'm looking forward to an answer to this as well.
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For conformation shows all the dog has to be able to do is walk and stand. The judges are mainly looking at structure and movement. They also have to be used to being handled because the judge will run their hands over them.

It's up to each handler to know his/her dog and maintain enough distance between dogs for no accidents to occur. I used to keep just enough distance between the dog in front that they were well out of reach but just close enough so that my dog would be looking at them (hope that makes sense). I found this helped to make them look better in the stand because they would be more inclined to naturally "stack up" while they were looking at the other dog.

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Sorry I forgot to mention that with puppies, judges generally expect them to be a little playful and will tolerate a fair amount of "puppyness".
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My best advice is to take handing classes as a good handler can show an inferior dog against a bad handler and still win. It is all about image and a good handler knows how to highlight the good stuff.
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in A.D.B.A puppy classes are split by sex and age 4-6month male/4-6month female 6-9monthe male 6-9month female 9-12month male 9-12month female cropped or uncropped ears are both allowed and structure not conditioning is what is judged (but you will see many pups that are more conditioned than I think a pup should be) you can look on the adba web site for show dates in your area and go and check one out 99% of the people are very nice and will help you or answer your questions.
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OK, say I get a new pup and decide I want to get him into the show ring, probably ADBA, but who knows. At what age do you start this, what should the pup be able to do, etc.? I've never attended a show before so I was wondering, dumb question coming, how do they (organizers) keep the dog aggressive dogs apart and how much of a concern is it? Are there ever any accidents? Maybe someone who is showing a pup currently can give me a rundown of a typical show procedure. Also, are non cropped dogs discriminated against? Thanks friends
In ADBA you can start at 4 months.
In UKC non lic. shows are 3-6 and real showing starts at 6 months.
You can start practicing as soon as the pup comes home by getting them on lead. UKC your need a show lead/collar; in ADBA you need a 4 foot lead and regular buckle collar.

*** Socialize , socialize, socialize! I hate seeing a dog with its tail tucked or cowering in the ring or worse one that is not acting acceptable around people and yes, sadly I've seen that at a few shows.

The best way to understand what is expected in my opinion is to get a mentor and or get out to some shows. Handling classes can also be helpful. Learn the rules which can be seen on the orgs websites or from them directly.

Dogs with better structure will have better free stacks. Free stacking is the way the dog stacks itself naturally as opposed to a manipulated stack where the handler manually manipulates the dog.

The breeder also should be able to help you with learning.

All handlers are responsible for their own dogs. This being said, don't trust other handlers LOL, not everyone tends to pay attention or knwo their dogs; so you need to always be aware of your surroundings and what others by you are doing.

This is a good link which may help you:
Encyclopedia of the American Pit Bull Terrier : Dog Show Training
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The ADBA is very different from UKC. The judge will not touch your dog in the ADBA they will just look at them from all angles. I have had only one judge ask to touch my dog and it was because they wanted to feel an angle I guess they could not see. I guess it worked I won the class.
In ADBA there is controversy about how to show a dog. You have the inexperienced handlers think that the dog who pulls the most, barks the most, and is the skinniest will win...... NOT TRUE

The judge is looking for a dog with good attitude and when the judge want to look at the dog they want to see the dog in a natural stack not lunging at the end of the leash the whole time. Almost every judge I talked to thanked me for showing them my dog and having control and being able to stack them it makes their job a whole lot easier. The down side to my dogs being so well trained is they tend to heel when I go in the show ring and I would them them to show more attitude instead of obedience. I think there is a good balance with control and attitude and you see some of the best handlers have that in the ring.

In the ADBA the ears do not matter my dogs do just fine with cropped ears and really they make no difference to most judges. The UKC prefers cropped ears.


I have seen accidents at shows where dog get a hold of each other but a break stick is never far and no serious injuries. That is why it is important to keep your dog on a short leash and watch all dogs around you. In the show ring they will make sure you have enough room where you are safe. I have had poop head handlers get too close on purpose to let their dog spark off on mine and trust me, they were more scared of the me than the dog by the time I got done yelling at them! lol Really you will see poop heads like that and you just have to tell them to back off and if they don't ask a ring steward to move them. PROTECT YOUR DOG AT ALL TIMES, I don't care if they think I am a B**** I do not want my dog in a fight.

It was said above but you can start showing in the ADBA at 4 months.

My suggestions is before you get a dog or before you show a dog go to an ADBA show and check it out. When I started that is what I did and I learned a lot before going into the ring. I was always use to showing in UKC and AKC and what a shock to go to an ADBA show!
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The ADBA is very different from UKC. The judge will not touch your dog in the ADBA they will just look at them from all angles. I have had only one judge ask to touch my dog and it was because they wanted to feel an angle I guess they could not see. I guess it worked I won the class.
In ADBA there is controversy about how to show a dog. You have the inexperienced handlers think that the dog who pulls the most, barks the most, and is the skinniest will win...... NOT TRUE

The judge is looking for a dog with good attitude and when the judge want to look at the dog they want to see the dog in a natural stack not lunging at the end of the leash the whole time. Almost every judge I talked to thanked me for showing them my dog and having control and being able to stack them it makes their job a whole lot easier. The down side to my dogs being so well trained is they tend to heel when I go in the show ring and I would them them to show more attitude instead of obedience. I think there is a good balance with control and attitude and you see some of the best handlers have that in the ring.

In the ADBA the ears do not matter my dogs do just fine with cropped ears and really they make no difference to most judges. The UKC prefers cropped ears.


I have seen accidents at shows where dog get a hold of each other but a break stick is never far and no serious injuries. That is why it is important to keep your dog on a short leash and watch all dogs around you. In the show ring they will make sure you have enough room where you are safe. I have had poop head handlers get too close on purpose to let their dog spark off on mine and trust me, they were more scared of the me than the dog by the time I got done yelling at them! lol Really you will see poop heads like that and you just have to tell them to back off and if they don't ask a ring steward to move them. PROTECT YOUR DOG AT ALL TIMES, I don't care if they think I am a B**** I do not want my dog in a fight.

It was said above but you can start showing in the ADBA at 4 months.

My suggestions is before you get a dog or before you show a dog go to an ADBA show and check it out. When I started that is what I did and I learned a lot before going into the ring. I was always use to showing in UKC and AKC and what a shock to go to an ADBA show!
Thanks Lisa, I was wondering if you would chime in. I asked about the ears because I like the uncropped look, but have nothing against the cropped look. I think I will attend a show that is nearby in the future. What do you mean by you were shocked at an ADBA show, rougher crowd or just procedurally different? And all this "poop head" talk, what a potty mouth LOL!
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Thanks Lisa, I was wondering if you would chime in. I asked about the ears because I like the uncropped look, but have nothing against the cropped look. I think I will attend a show that is nearby in the future. What do you mean by you were shocked at an ADBA show, rougher crowd or just procedurally different? And all this "poop head" talk, what a potty mouth LOL!
I started Conformation in the AKC about 8 years ago handling different breeds and that is very formal and I am sure you have seen it on tv. The ADBA shows are NOTHING like the AKC shows I am use to. The dogs are pulling and barking and just uncivilized when you have been use to AKC for so many years but I have to say I like all venues now that I have shown in both.
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In ADBA you can start at 4 months.
In UKC non lic. shows are 3-6 and real showing starts at 6 months.
You can start practicing as soon as the pup comes home by getting them on lead. UKC your need a show lead/collar; in ADBA you need a 4 foot lead and regular buckle collar.

*** Socialize , socialize, socialize! I hate seeing a dog with its tail tucked or cowering in the ring or worse one that is not acting acceptable around people and yes, sadly I've seen that at a few shows.

The best way to understand what is expected in my opinion is to get a mentor and or get out to some shows. Handling classes can also be helpful. Learn the rules which can be seen on the orgs websites or from them directly.

Dogs with better structure will have better free stacks. Free stacking is the way the dog stacks itself naturally as opposed to a manipulated stack where the handler manually manipulates the dog.

The breeder also should be able to help you with learning.

All handlers are responsible for their own dogs. This being said, don't trust other handlers LOL, not everyone tends to pay attention or knwo their dogs; so you need to always be aware of your surroundings and what others by you are doing.

This is a good link which may help you:
Encyclopedia of the American Pit Bull Terrier : Dog Show Training
Thanks Therese, very very good link. Almost overload, but I'll just have to read it a few times LOL
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