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Old 07-17-2010, 08:23 PM   #16 (permalink)
 
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Sounds to me like you were writing a novel.

I respect breeders, but like many members of this forum I disrespect those that contribute to a population problem and boast about it.


Just cause you pimped your dog out Grand Theft Auto style in a Mini Van does not make you any different than a BYB.

I would love to one day work with breeding the APBT but I have a understanding for the fact that it is literally being overdone.

I reserve the right to make that apparent.
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I knew this would be good, however for all you Bull dog lovers, no one breeds any good ones?

By the way. What blood line of this prestigious breed would you use to carry on APBT in its true form. Sorrells is done selling to the general public. Crenshaw, Carver, on and on dead.

How about a good American Bully to represent the past?

So, what line would you use?

Here is an email (typical one) I received:
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thanks for your quick respond.
Again, I've looked through some US sites and I was
horrified of the look of some dogs. They look like
mutants.
So, that is why I contacted You. Please, contact me, when
you have any news, or contact anyway - we belong to a same
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Before you get fanatical about what blood lines you would use to preserve the breed you must first start preserving the breed. Over breeding is far from. Now, when I say over breeding Im not talking about people breeding Dogs cycle after cycle till its death. Im talking about every person and their cousins breeding APBT's cause they can sell them on Craigs List with a 200$ "rehoming fee".

After the population comes under some sort of order I would then look for what ever good candidates may exist ( not that any good original bloodlines exist, again, over breeding ) and basically start my own based on the stature of the traditional APBT.

I dont understand that part about the e-mail. A simple " we all have our opinions " would have sufficed.

BTW, I do not have a problem with Hippos, Bullies, Bluffs and so forth, but I would also never consider them part of preserving this breed either

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I cant tell you how many show people (who did not even create Scruffy) cried about his lines being available to the general public because of me.
I have my own opinions on what constitutes BYBing, but I had to question this. Is this something to be proud of? I personally like being part of something exclusive, and I'd be pissed if someone got a dog from me and started making its offspring available to JQP. Some things the general public doesn't really need to have their hands on, and the APBT is one of those things.
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I have my own opinions on what constitutes BYBing, but I had to question this. Is this something to be proud of? I personally like being part of something exclusive, and I'd be pissed if someone got a dog from me and started making its offspring available to JQP. Some things the general public doesn't really need to have their hands on, and the APBT is one of those things.
That is just it. The only people pissed DID NOT CREATE THE DOG.
My dogs are house dogs, not kennel dogs.
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I have my own opinions on what constitutes BYBing, but I had to question this. Is this something to be proud of? I personally like being part of something exclusive, and I'd be pissed if someone got a dog from me and started making its offspring available to JQP. Some things the general public doesn't really need to have their hands on, and the APBT is one of those things.
One of the offspring works in S.F. with disabled children. They should be available to the general (screened by the seller) public.
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I respect breeders, but like many members of this forum I disrespect those that contribute to a population problem and boast about it.


So if anyone breeds they contribute to over population and are bad ya? If not I am missing where he has posted about SOOOO many litters for you to get the idea that he is over breeding?


I see no reason to boast about the breedings, other than he was looking for funny stories which no one has obviously, but I also see nothing that implies he was overbreeding.
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I have my own opinions on what constitutes BYBing, but I had to question this. Is this something to be proud of? I personally like being part of something exclusive, and I'd be pissed if someone got a dog from me and started making its offspring available to JQP. Some things the general public doesn't really need to have their hands on, and the APBT is one of those things.
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My dogs were placing 1st, 2nd, best OFR, etc. There may have been some jealously involved. Or, its just because I let the line out. Regardless, I have have people who do not even know the correct registered name of the dog tell me their 2 cents like they owned/created the dog.
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So if anyone breeds they contribute to over population and are bad ya? If not I am missing where he has posted about SOOOO many litters for you to get the idea that he is over breeding?


I see no reason to boast about the breedings, other than he was looking for funny stories which no one has obviously, but I also see nothing that implies he was overbreeding.
What you missed was my definition of over breeding.

Not exactly bad but not exactly making things better when they are someone looking to educate people and preserve the breed. This website made me realize this fact.

I guess in the few months that I have been gone it seems people are now allowed to gain bragging rights when it comes to breeding an over populated breed?

I have my opinions regardless if everyone else lost theirs. The APBT should be looked at differently which is something we all should agree on but no matter how dedicated someone is to the breed I feel they should not be breeding it ( he obviously enjoys breeding and has had more than one litter ) when so many die cause they dont have a simple piece of paper saying they are registered with the UKC. How many APBt's is it that die every month in shelters cause people rather have that piece of paper?

After that fact has been properly addressed then we can worry about who has the next best blood line.

I could care less personally about the bite statistics, the APBT's that are found in fighting rings, dog aggression blah, blah blah. That goes in one ear and out the other cause what really feeds that fear and makes the APBT such a popular target for these biased statistics is the over whelming amount of APBT's that are out their available to any one person to undermined.

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So how is someone that shows, titles and breeds excellent representation of this breed a part of that? Why because he boasted about it?
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Does the OP show and title, or is it some of the puppy owners doing that? That really does make a difference IMO. Lots of breeders have some puppy owners that go out there and do stuff with the pups, and then they ride on that without putting in the work themselves. I don't know personally what the OP is doing or not. I couldn't get past the overload of search keywords on every page and website link on almost every picture. That, IMO, speaks more for seeking of maximum exposure and reaching the widest audience, not so much focusing on the intricacies of quality.
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Does the OP show and title, or is it some of the puppy owners doing that? That really does make a difference IMO. Lots of breeders have some puppy owners that go out there and do stuff with the pups, and then they ride on that without putting in the work themselves. I don't know personally what the OP is doing or not. I couldn't get past the overload of search keywords on every page and website link on almost every picture. That, IMO, speaks more for seeking of maximum exposure and reaching the widest audience, not so much focusing on the intricacies of quality.
Something common with BYB's.

Same as the overwhelmingly cheap Photoshop adds.
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So how is someone that shows, titles and breeds excellent representation of this breed a part of that? Why because he boasted about it?
Oh, I get it now

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The stud that I created was in Seattle Washington. He (the dog is called Thaylen, or Spotted Devil) lived in Humboldt County with a friend, however they were spending some time up in Seattle.

My female came into heat and was ready to breed with him. So I made the road trip, the furthest North I have ever been, to create the litter. It was well over a thousand mile drive round trip.

I had never been on a ferry. The owner of Thaylen and I took the ferry across the Puget Sound to the Olympic National Park. The van was parked in the very front of the ferry and the dogs "locked". Aw. We all went camping and the litter was perfect.

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What you missed was my definition of over breeding.

Not exactly bad but not exactly making things better when they are someone looking to educate people and preserve the breed. This website made me realize this fact.

I guess in the few months that I have been gone it seems people are now allowed to gain bragging rights when it comes to breeding an over populated breed?

I have my opinions regardless if everyone else lost theirs. The APBT should be looked at differently which is something we all should agree on but no matter how dedicated someone is to the breed I feel they should not be breeding it ( he obviously enjoys breeding and has had more than one litter ) when so many die cause they dont have a simple piece of paper saying they are registered with the UKC. How many APBt's is it that die every month in shelters cause people rather have that piece of paper?

After that fact has been properly addressed then we can worry about who has the next best blood line.

I could care less personally about the bite statistics, the APBT's that are found in fighting rings, dog aggression blah, blah blah. That goes in one ear and out the other cause what really feeds that fear and makes the APBT such a popular target for these biased statistics is the over whelming amount of APBT's that are out their available to any one person to undermined.
Almost none of those "pit bulls" sitting in the shelter are APBTs, but rather mutts and other breeds that fall under the "pit bull" blanket. And if you truly want to understand the APBT then you shouldn't let talk of dog aggression go in one ear and out the other. Dog aggression is a genetic trait that many many APBTs share. The reason people keep pushing that its not real and their dogs are fine, are people who don't really own APBTs. There are many other bull breeds that are bred to be less DA, it's just that people can't tell the differences in the breeds when they see one. If you show people a pic of an American Bully they automatically think APBT, yet they see a real APBT and think it must be a mix cause its "too skinny" or it's head is "too small" people just have no clue what it is they're looking at.



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