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Old 12-30-2014, 01:31 AM   #256 (permalink)
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The way shes stacked is fine but, sometimes it can affect the look of them as can nails and weight.

This was Lou Show day his look upright here



Its hard to tell but, long nails and his look weak




Akiliya free stack at show weight



But, when she packed on the pounds

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Old 12-30-2014, 01:51 AM   #257 (permalink)
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I'm learning so much. Bully, bully, bully behind her. I'm not sure how she came out like she did, but I'm grateful. Never intended on showing or breeding, bought her for the kids last Christmas. Just interested in what she'll produce if bred to a correct male. Here is partial ped, only ordered 3 gen, waiting on 7 gen ped.

CH Redemption's Miss Laila Waldron

Other then her mother's mother she looks to be all bully I found dad in the system

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Old 12-30-2014, 08:27 AM   #258 (permalink)
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Sorry for not answering your breeding question. Considering at this point seeing her pedigree my eval really has no merit as it is by APBT standard not American Bully and she is an American Bully by all accounts from her breeding. I would personally make sure she is registered as an American Bully through UKC if she is not and I would look for a well conformed male. I would take her back into some Old Razor's Edge look for a breeder that has health tested and you want to make sure you study the grand parents as when you are breeding most likely the grandparents genetics and features will win out. Make sure the hips have been checked within the last 3 gens because she is off Blue of Ruckus blood and I vaguely remember Hip Dysplasia from his way for some reason.
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Sorry for not answering your breeding question. Considering at this point seeing her pedigree my eval really has no merit as it is by APBT standard not American Bully and she is an American Bully by all accounts from her breeding. I would personally make sure she is registered as an American Bully through UKC if she is not and I would look for a well conformed male. I would take her back into some Old Razor's Edge look for a breeder that has health tested and you want to make sure you study the grand parents as when you are breeding most likely the grandparents genetics and features will win out. Make sure the hips have been checked within the last 3 gens because she is off Blue of Ruckus blood and I vaguely remember Hip Dysplasia from his way for some reason.
Her OFA hip prelim is excellent.

So you're saying that not based on her merit, but the merit of her ancestors, I should disregard what you and several other members on this board have said about her, not to mention the UKC judge that felt she was the best animal in the entire terrier group (as an APBT) at the MAKC show AND throw her UKC championship (as a APBT) away and register her as an American Bully? Interesting.

As far as breeding. Why stop at old RE stuff? Go back a little further and you run into Sierra, Gaff, Larum etc. I know that it would take years before I would see any consistency in breeding, but isn't that how the greats got what they were looking for. I guess my other option would be to go buy a bitch from a well known kennel and produce exactly what everyone else is producing. It would be a lot easier. Then I wouldn't have to work nearly as hard and the ped would be just like everyone elses.

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Old 12-30-2014, 03:42 PM   #260 (permalink)
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Here's the honest truth from my opinion a conformation title to CH isn't much in UKC(Why Lou isn't one yet not going to put myself in a bind for a CH Title that I've seen really crappy dogs get just because someone brought an even crappier dog to give the show competition) you can do that in a weekend as long as you have competition. Due to the problem for years of Bullies not being recognized as a separate breed many judges themselves have a "bully" structure in mind for the best looking dog. That's my opinion. I had one judge who doesn't like APBT's but, gave Lou such high regard as far as structure for Terrier. Then I had another who's fav are APBT's but, he placed the bully whom was clearly bully due to his story and his past. So many judge's differ I had a feeling about your girls lineage considering her head and neck are slightly over done compared to standard. I am a firm believer in knowing what you have and sticking with it. No one is saying stick with the crowd but, why take her into an APBT or AmStaff pedigree when there is no guarantee she has actual Pure AmStaff lineage?? There are people everyday breeding RE with all those lines nothing new about that. How is that being different??


Stopping at old RE will give the most consistency for her ped... I could send you to several kennels right now who has run their dogs into all the lines you listed and is bred much like your girl nothing new about any of it..
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Here's the honest truth from my opinion a conformation title to CH isn't much in UKC(Why Lou isn't one yet not going to put myself in a bind for a CH Title that I've seen really crappy dogs get just because someone brought an even crappier dog to give the show competition) you can do that in a weekend as long as you have competition. Due to the problem for years of Bullies not being recognized as a separate breed many judges themselves have a "bully" structure in mind for the best looking dog. That's my opinion. I had one judge who doesn't like APBT's but, gave Lou such high regard as far as structure for Terrier. Then I had another who's fav are APBT's but, he placed the bully whom was clearly bully due to his story and his past. So many judge's differ I had a feeling about your girls lineage considering her head and neck are slightly over done compared to standard. I am a firm believer in knowing what you have and sticking with it. No one is saying stick with the crowd but, why take her into an APBT or AmStaff pedigree when there is no guarantee she has actual Pure AmStaff lineage?? There are people everyday breeding RE with all those lines nothing new about that. How is that being different??


Stopping at old RE will give the most consistency for her ped... I could send you to several kennels right now who has run their dogs into all the lines you listed and is bred much like your girl nothing new about any of it..
Again, I respect your opinion. Maybe you're right. This is probably not the best thread for this discussion, but I'd definitely like to continue it. Message me, if you like. But I will end with this. I am not trying to do something new. I have a dog that is "gorgeous" (using your words); moves beautifully; a champion (however little that means); has excellent hips (with more testing to come); one that I have invested a lot of time, money, and love into; and that I, personally, like the look of (I do not care for the bully look). Somehow, out of all of the bullies behind her, she came out looking more similar to a UKC dog. Even had one member on here say that her look is not what they think of when they think of a UKC champion. Because of all of the overdone stuff behind her, there is a possibility that every one of her traits is recessive (I may not be using the correct terminology), but if she is bred to a dog where those same traits are dominant, wouldn't that increase the chances of their offspring having those traits? I do know that there is more to genetics than I understand. I also know that I will not breed her to a bully where there will be almost 100% certainty that she will produce dogs that I won't like the look of. Time will tell.

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Old 12-30-2014, 08:28 PM   #262 (permalink)
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I will continue more in message but, just because its bully doesn't mean it wont be the look you desire but she will more then likely going produce dogs like her grandparents which are bully.
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Is my dog an American pitbull terrier or an American staffirdshire terrier
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Is my dog an American pitbull terrier or an American staffirdshire terrier
It is impossible to know a dogs breed without having peds that show it's lineage. In another post you mention that your 10 month old dog is already 70 lbs., which is already large for even a full grown APBT or a Staffordshire terrier. My guess is a mixed breed with some type of bully in the mix.

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Neither. It's a mutt there are like 20 different bull breed dogs out there. Without legit pedigree there's no way of knowing the breed. That being said, she is very pretty!
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