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Old 08-10-2010, 12:02 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Oh man! I never knew what you meant when you would say that they were lacking in rear angulation but i can totally see it now! Lovin this thread!
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Old 08-10-2010, 12:49 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Hey Lisa, I've been browsing some 15 year old Gazette issues and see many dogs with "longer backs". Is this not considered a very substantial fault, or is the ADBA more lenient than the UKC? Also, please go to Cheryl's(?) site and on the homepage to the far right, that female appears long backed. Thanks
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Old 08-10-2010, 03:13 AM   #18 (permalink)
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is it a fault for the back feet to be wider set then the front?
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jozey both stand a little wider in the rear then the front

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Old 08-10-2010, 03:19 AM   #19 (permalink)
 
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The dog is supposed to move in the same "plane" both front and back. So yes, having a narrower front than a rear (or vice versa) would be considered less desireable. When a dog is moving at you, you shouldn't see the rear legs framed by the front, or the reverse.
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It depends on the dog how it effects them, I see it in movement they do not have good push from the rear when running or jumping so range of motion is less.
yea.. Dre can run, but he cant quite keep up w/ Daisy.. he also has trouble jumping..
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The dog is supposed to move in the same "plane" both front and back. So yes, having a narrower front than a rear (or vice versa) would be considered less desireable. When a dog is moving at you, you shouldn't see the rear legs framed by the front, or the reverse.
ok thanks. they move on the same plain when they walk but they stand wider in the back like its more comfortable or something
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It is not the worst fault, though. Both my girls stand a little wider in the rear than the front. Loki is narrow in her chest and does it much more noticeably if I allow it. she will stand with her front feet about 2" apart. Terra, for all she's got a "cathedral" chest doesn't do it as much as she does. I would not say its even an issue with the first dog pictured; there difference isn't that great.
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Hey Lisa, I've been browsing some 15 year old Gazette issues and see many dogs with "longer backs". Is this not considered a very substantial fault, or is the ADBA more lenient than the UKC? Also, please go to Cheryl's(?) site and on the homepage to the far right, that female appears long backed. Thanks
The ADBA is more lenient in many things when it come to the standard but they also have slightly different standards between ADBA and UKC. I personally like longer backed dogs (if it is not too long) they turn better when they work. I think Cheryl has some that are longer backed and so do I but you want to breed them to a nice square male.

Most of these faults that are posted are not major disqualifying faults and you will see dogs who are CH's with these faults. They are faults however there is not perfect dog in the world, all dogs have faults some are just worse than others. A good example is ppl said I would never be able to show Typhoon in the ADBA with that bad of an under bite and I mean it is bad! She wins or places at just about every show she goes to be cause she is so balanced everywhere else. If she was not blue I think I could have finished her CH already.
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The ADBA is more lenient in many things when it come to the standard but they also have slightly different standards between ADBA and UKC. I personally like longer backed dogs (if it is not too long) they turn better when they work. I think Cheryl has some that are longer backed and so do I but you want to breed them to a nice square male.

Most of these faults that are posted are not major disqualifying faults and you will see dogs who are CH's with these faults. They are faults however there is not perfect dog in the world, all dogs have faults some are just worse than others. A good example is ppl said I would never be able to show Typhoon in the ADBA with that bad of an under bite and I mean it is bad! She wins or places at just about every show she goes to be cause she is so balanced everywhere else. If she was not blue I think I could have finished her CH already.
Lisa, you just touched upon something that I don't want to become apart of this thread, but is worth mentioning. Judge bias. As they say, "beauty is in the eye of the beholder", correct?
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Old 08-11-2010, 11:47 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Yes beauty is in the eye of the behold but from my understanding the reason blue dogs do not wn as much is the fact that blue is consider an Am Staff colouring. I might be wrong about this tho.



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The GSD world has the same bias against solid blacks....Things run if fads also in the show world. Take notice.
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well politics will always play a role in dog shows not matter what venue and it is unfortunate. All a conformation show really is, is someones opinion of your dog. I was at the UKC show in Colorado and the most horrible looking dog took best of breed and BIS because the person showing the dog was a fellow UKC judge. That dog did not fit the breed standard and it was sad to see.

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Yes beauty is in the eye of the behold but from my understanding the reason blue dogs do not wn as much is the fact that blue is consider an Am Staff colouring. I might be wrong about this tho.
UKC says that AM staffs have to have black noses, lips and around the eyes. So no blue isn't an am staff color. thats why when you get an AKC judge in the ring at an ADBA he over looks alot of the red dogs and chocolate dogs and blue dogs with diffrent pigment because anything but black pigment is a discual in amstaffs and am bull staff
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It's not genetically possible for a blue dog to have a black nose. Blue dogs have blue noses!
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It's not genetically possible for a blue dog to have a black nose. Blue dogs have blue noses!
Thats my point. They get looked over because of their pigment. A judge who is only firmilliar with AKC standards of amstaffs or ambull staffs look at dogs with blue and red pigment like a joke.
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