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Old 08-08-2010, 04:57 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Photos for Structure and Faults

Since the thread was deleted I have moved the photos here so you guys don't have to go thru re posting them. Anyone else wanting to participate with STACKED PHOTOS ONLY may post them here and they will be moved to the structure thread if chosen to be used for examples.

This is the thread where they will be discussed
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Alright here what I got. I don't have pictures of all sides but they can be judged on what you can see. There are alot of photos but whoever is doing the pickying apart can choose which photos they can best use for fault examples

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Francis, obviously not a pitbull but good example for a very bad front

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One of the traps is that what is OK for an APBT might not work for an AST or AmBully, or vice versa. I know the APBT standard and some of the AmStaff standard, but I wouldn't venture a guess on any AmBullies. And you really need a good, stacked shot on the dog's level to be able to judge. It also helps if there is nothing impeding the view of the dog so you can see things like feet, tails, etc.







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I dont have any real good pics of Sarge or Nikita stacked because well I cant get them to stack lol but its unimportant since they both have faults... I will give you what I have...
Sarge trying to stack lol


Sarge just standing around


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Nikita as a pup already wide in front


Thats what I have for now... I will try to get more of Nikki tomorrow...

Oh and the Shih Tzu is structurally perfect show but mentally now thats another story... lol

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SARGEnNIKITA Next time you stack him leave his tail down. It's not supposed to be held high.

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Twilight is still a puppy in these pics, but you can still see her basic structure.



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Thanks Holly, If you want your dog to be looked at and discussed then you can Post them here and I will pick some and put them on the other thread. If you cannot take criticism then do not post your dog. These dogs will be picked apart structurally looking at every fault and good attribute. If you do not think you can handle that then do not put them up here please we do not need any hurt feelings.
Please only stacked photos of dogs and if you have to angles that would be best, thanks for your help!! Lets keep this fun and educational
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I would love my dogs to be picked to pieces. lol. I think outside opinions are vital for avoiding kennel blindness.
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I agree!!! Every dog in my yard is perfect don't you know! lol
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I'm excited for this. I'll be participating tomorrow,but right now, I'm letting Bruno sleep.
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I don't necessarily need my dogs evaluated since I pick apart their faults fantastically on my own. "ZOMG, Terra, if only we could give you Loki's feet and head, or give her your bite and drive." LOL! If someone wants to take a swing at it, I wont get my feelings hurt since I already know where their strengths and weaknesses lie. It is always educational to get a second viewpoint, however, since no two people view a thing the same. I was one of the main people evaluating dogs on a thread on another forum a few years back, and it got exhausting! It seems like even folks who have a pet that they never considered showing become very curious about their dogs' faults when the opportunity arises.
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I agree Lindsay do you mind if I use Tera? I want to show pasterns and toes while not as important in ADBA it is in UKC. Siren is broken down in the pasterns too but that pictures of Tera shows what I wanted to talk about.
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identifying flaws is great.which ones do folks find to be more genetically linked and passed in breeding?
some things show up almost terminally.as with tight breeding,underbites,spindly legs,sway back,high tail,hocked.etc.
these things were not really adressed.
wind,structure,weight,bite,gameness,non HA,high DA.
how many things would someone allow or at which point would someone not breed?
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I don't necessarily need my dogs evaluated since I pick apart their faults fantastically on my own. "ZOMG, Terra, if only we could give you Loki's feet and head, or give her your bite and drive." LOL! If someone wants to take a swing at it, I wont get my feelings hurt since I already know where their strengths and weaknesses lie. It is always educational to get a second viewpoint, however, since no two people view a thing the same. I was one of the main people evaluating dogs on a thread on another forum a few years back, and it got exhausting! It seems like even folks who have a pet that they never considered showing become very curious about their dogs' faults when the opportunity arises.
I think it is going to be great for newbies not necessarily our selves. Same as you I pick apart my own dogs lol. So I know I would get no hard feeling over what Lisa says as I know my dogs faults, but we have so many new people come on looking to breed or buy and when we say something about faults in thier dogs that are not acceptable ( some time many minor faults) they have no idea what we are talking about. There are some sites that we can refer to for conformation but I think the breaking down of so many dogs will really help educate others on what the structure of these dogs should be.



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identifying flaws is great.which ones do folks find to be more genetically linked and passed in breeding?
some things show up almost terminally.as with tight breeding,underbites,spindly legs,sway back,high tail,hocked.etc.
these things were not really adressed.
wind,structure,weight,bite,gameness,non HA,high DA.
how many things would someone allow or at which point would someone not breed?
It would really vary from breeder to breeder of what they wouldn't allow depending on what they are breeding for. Something a UKC show breeder would not allow a working dog breeder may for a high drive dog.

However Gameness is completely be side the point as no one here is breeding fighting or tested dogs to know if they are game.

I also don't think we have anyone that approves of HA, I would at least hope not and well DA would agian depend on the breeder. Where as a UKC breeder may not be so keen to breed something as DA as and ADBA breeder.

However all those are temperament issues and not structure, we have tons of threads on temperament and what the majority of our forum feels is acceptable and whats not.
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Go for it, Lisa. I can say with all honesty that her imperfect feet and non-straight pasterns have not hindered either her gait or her working ability, so they don't even bother me anymore except in the sense of striving for perfection. I'm beginning to think its only a fault in the UKC because they're so accustomed to the perky, upright fronts you see a lot more in AmStaffs. I also find it interesting that the UKC goes into detail about movement (reach, drive, convergence) while the ADBA doesn't even mention it in the standard (at least not that I saw). Terra has insane side gait, especially when she's moving at some speed (like she alway does, LOL).


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This is my boy Dosia I think he looks great however he has a few faults.







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