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Old 04-30-2011, 02:53 AM   #31 (permalink)
 

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I have had pitbulls my whole life - grew up with them and we have always taken them to the dog parks. Sure a lot of folks will agree with you on never taking these dogs to dog parks but we have never had a problem - never. Call us "lucky" or "dumb" if you want but I believe in well rounded socialized dogs. I do understand that pits have a tendency to fight but this does not mean that all pitbulls are natural killers..... Anyway, one of my pits is 7 years old and he loves other dogs, loves to be chased and is a great role model for pitbulls. The human has to be the one in control, I would not take my dogs to the park if I did not feel in complete control of the dog. Sure, dogs like Goldens have attacked him and he rolls on his back. We have done a lot of work with our dogs in teaching them to ignore aggression and it works!
Oh! haha, I forgot to mention that I just dog-sat a little Westie and boy was he aggressive! He wanted to kill everyone...
Anywho, everyone is entitled to their own opinions and why they raise their pits the way they do.
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I have had pitbulls my whole life - grew up with them and we have always taken them to the dog parks. Sure a lot of folks will agree with you on never taking these dogs to dog parks but we have never had a problem - never. Call us "lucky" or "dumb" if you want but I believe in well rounded socialized dogs. I do understand that pits have a tendency to fight but this does not mean that all pitbulls are natural killers..... Anyway, one of my pits is 7 years old and he loves other dogs, loves to be chased and is a great role model for pitbulls. The human has to be the one in control, I would not take my dogs to the park if I did not feel in complete control of the dog. Sure, dogs like Goldens have attacked him and he rolls on his back. We have done a lot of work with our dogs in teaching them to ignore aggression and it works!
Oh! haha, I forgot to mention that I just dog-sat a little Westie and boy was he aggressive! He wanted to kill everyone...
Anywho, everyone is entitled to their own opinions and why they raise their pits the way they do.
Some are not DA on the outside but , be prepaired if the right trigger happens .. if another dog pushes the mthe wrong way all hell breaks lose and it will always be the pitbulls fault. my lil sidney at 38 lbs taught me how that can happen and also how fast a pit can rough up another dog .. even one much larger... even if your dog is an angel like sid .. another wont be and you cant expect them not to defend themselves.
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I have had pitbulls my whole life - grew up with them and we have always taken them to the dog parks. Sure a lot of folks will agree with you on never taking these dogs to dog parks but we have never had a problem - never. Call us "lucky" or "dumb" if you want but I believe in well rounded socialized dogs. I do understand that pits have a tendency to fight but this does not mean that all pitbulls are natural killers..... Anyway, one of my pits is 7 years old and he loves other dogs, loves to be chased and is a great role model for pitbulls. The human has to be the one in control, I would not take my dogs to the park if I did not feel in complete control of the dog. Sure, dogs like Goldens have attacked him and he rolls on his back. We have done a lot of work with our dogs in teaching them to ignore aggression and it works!
Oh! haha, I forgot to mention that I just dog-sat a little Westie and boy was he aggressive! He wanted to kill everyone...
Anywho, everyone is entitled to their own opinions and why they raise their pits the way they do.
Theres no tendency, the American Pit Bull Terrier was BRED specifically for being loyal and friendly to humans and to fight till the death with tails wagging in the dog pits of the time periods. I HIGHLY doubt you have had American Pit Bull Terriers your entire life and not once owned a DA dog, i know that this may aggravate you or others on this forum for putting it so bluntly but it needs to be said. Owning this breed and not having DA would put that dog in maybe the 5% that never show signs from birth to death. You can't "train out of" dog aggression with this breed because its not just something that happens, its genetic.

Now of course in modern days people can't (legally) test the drive of these dogs anymore (dog fighting and no im not saying im for the sport because im not) so that 5% i mentioned might be a tad bit higher now that many breeders are breeding more for show now with the breed vs drive and gameness. However to undue centuries of genetic DA takes longer than a few decades and not THAT many breeders are meaning to do it, it just slowly happens.

I could believe a little more that perhaps you have owned American Bullies your entire life or even American Staffies (which is even a stretch but DA is a bit more controllable in general with this breed) but i cant believe a person would grow up and own the APBT their whole life and never run into a prime example of the breed which does include genetic DA. I have grown up with this breed owning both mixes and purebred APBT's and i can tell you 100% ive never owned one that didnt have DA eventually. Whether its 1 years old or 12 years old.

Another thing you mentioned was socialization.. A dog doesn't need to play with other dogs to be socialized, in fact playing with other dogs has zero to do with socialization. To socialize a dog means you are constantly allowing them to experience new sights, smells and noises throughout puppy hood and into adult hood. A well adjusted, socialized dog will not freak out over something that may be a little new and will be very self confident.

Im sorry if i have spelling errors or thoughts running into each other, doing 3 things at once right now and running off very little sleep. I hope my point is clear though!
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As a groomer I see lots of nasty little buggers! We usually have super sweet goldens but lately we have had some pretty rotten Goldens in there... one of our usuals is super sweet but he musta got the stink eye from a lab that was also there at the same time and the golden went after the lab... luckily the lab was dumb as a box of rocks and just wandered off while i drug the golden away... agh.

anyways, not that i have experienced it personally but i have heard that chows and dalmations are HA. I have only met 2 nice Cocker Spaniels the rest have either bitten me or tried in vain to bite me.... Lhasa Apso's also are completely bonkers.....
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Good Post KM dog's ...

I don't understand why people have to make a personal investigation on this subject until their stroke of what they call luck runs out. These dog's are bred for DA what that means is they are genetically wired to fight with other animals. They all turn on at different points, and they all have different trigger's. But one things for sure they all share the same DNA so why are APBT owner's continuing to go against the grain pressing their luck until the finally hit's the fan and your left looking like a fool? It would be different if we didn't have the resources and the knowledge passed down to us by old dog men. There is just no excuse anymore for those who know these dog's are DA to put them in a potentially dangerous situation to prove a point to the public that these dog's can coexist with other animals like any other non dog aggressive breed. Because they are not like every other breed nor were they bred like every other bred. Why get these dogs if your not going to care for them properly and keep them safe? This breed's reputation in the eyes of media and public cannot afford another accident or mishap. I wish people would get their heads out of their arse's and start looking at reality these dog's have no place in a dog park period. You want a dog to stroll along in the dog parks off the lead to play with all the cute little dogs get another breed! You don't take a dog aggressive breed to the dog park for crying out loud this is so simple it's absurd that people don't get it!!! If you wanted a dog that could play with lot's of other dog's without having to worry about a potential fight, or worse a dead dog on your hands my friend you picked the wrong breed. They don't call em bulldog's for nothing.

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Yea I've heard of cocker spaniel's being nasty I have one and lucky for me he's the nicest dog ever! He LOVES people and other dogs. And I've also witnessed the golden's next door to me roaming around because for some reason the owner thinks it's wise??? And they went after a lady and her baby these goldens don't like kids at all which makes me laugh since they are good dogs with kids or at least that is what is known about them.
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im honestly shocked that Tosa Inu, Fila Brasileiro, Presa Canario, Cane Corso, Ca De Bou, Boerboel have not been mentioned. Tosa, notorious dog fighter in japan, the others people use for dog fighting but more commonly PP and guarding. IMO you can't have well bred guard dog without some HA bred into them. Also as these dog breeds get more well known and more sought after the BYB's come into the picture and you start seeing heavy DA, AA and HA all into one.. Unfortunately, hopefully it doesnt get much worse than it has already for these breeds because the same will happen to them as what has and is happening to the apbt.
When I say mastiff I was including them, I guess I consider them more mastiff type dogs but good point in mentioning all the breeds.

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I have had pitbulls my whole life - grew up with them and we have always taken them to the dog parks. Sure a lot of folks will agree with you on never taking these dogs to dog parks but we have never had a problem - never. Call us "lucky" or "dumb" if you want but I believe in well rounded socialized dogs. I do understand that pits have a tendency to fight but this does not mean that all pitbulls are natural killers..... Anyway, one of my pits is 7 years old and he loves other dogs, loves to be chased and is a great role model for pitbulls. The human has to be the one in control, I would not take my dogs to the park if I did not feel in complete control of the dog. Sure, dogs like Goldens have attacked him and he rolls on his back. We have done a lot of work with our dogs in teaching them to ignore aggression and it works!
Oh! haha, I forgot to mention that I just dog-sat a little Westie and boy was he aggressive! He wanted to kill everyone...
Anywho, everyone is entitled to their own opinions and why they raise their pits the way they do.
This is what happened after 8 years of peaceful living together with another one of my dogs. I have also had dogs live just fine with each other for 7 years then try and kill each other one day. Just because you have never had a problem does not mean something may not happen in the future. It is irresponsible to think nothing will ever happen and it is a shame that type of thinking is what makes headlines.

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A good role model for pit bulls is one who is realistic and embraces the DA of side of the breed and educates accordingly. It is irresponsible to portray them as good dog friendly dogs. I have great role models for the APBT's but I always inform people about the DA side of the breed when they ask about them.
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In response to KM dogs: Its alright if you "HIGHLY" doubt my ownership of the pit for my whole life. You are correct, we have owned all three: Pits, Bullies and Staffies.

It is not like I take them to the park ever day as their socialization. It is about once a month and is only a small part of their socialization. I would never recommend it as a regular thing for ANY dog as dog parks are typically crazy places full of too much excitement which could cause many DA pitbulls to get into fights. I believe pitbulls are first and foremost DOGS. Dogs are social animals that live with other dogs. Yes every breed was bred for a specific purpose but this does not change their true first identity as a dog. Yes, they have a tendency to fight but no dog was born to fight - it is people who forced it into them. When they crossed the bulldogs with the terriers it did not result suddenly in a vicious killer dog - they trained it to become that way, giving the dog no other choice. Anyway, everyone is entitled to their opinions and I agree that dog parks are not a good place to go on a regular basis.
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In response to KM dogs: Its alright if you "HIGHLY" doubt my ownership of the pit for my whole life. You are correct, we have owned all three: Pits, Bullies and Staffies.

It is not like I take them to the park ever day as their socialization. It is about once a month and is only a small part of their socialization. I would never recommend it as a regular thing for ANY dog as dog parks are typically crazy places full of too much excitement which could cause many DA pitbulls to get into fights. I believe pitbulls are first and foremost DOGS. Dogs are social animals that live with other dogs. Yes every breed was bred for a specific purpose but this does not change their true first identity as a dog. Yes, they have a tendency to fight but no dog was born to fight - it is people who forced it into them. When they crossed the bulldogs with the terriers it did not result suddenly in a vicious killer dog - they trained it to become that way, giving the dog no other choice. Anyway, everyone is entitled to their opinions and I agree that dog parks are not a good place to go on a regular basis.
There is so much wrong in this im not going to bother, we aren't talking opinion its fact however i can see your not going to get it until the obvious happens. hopefully when it does your not the last strike in your area and BSL doesnt come into enforcement.

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There is so much wrong in this im not going to bother, we aren't talking opinion its fact however i can see your not going to get it until the obvious happens. hopefully when it does your not the last strike in your area and BSL doesnt come into enforcement.

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In response to KM dogs: Its alright if you "HIGHLY" doubt my ownership of the pit for my whole life. You are correct, we have owned all three: Pits, Bullies and Staffies.

It is not like I take them to the park ever day as their socialization. It is about once a month and is only a small part of their socialization. I would never recommend it as a regular thing for ANY dog as dog parks are typically crazy places full of too much excitement which could cause many DA pitbulls to get into fights. I believe pitbulls are first and foremost DOGS. Dogs are social animals that live with other dogs. Yes every breed was bred for a specific purpose but this does not change their true first identity as a dog. Yes, they have a tendency to fight but no dog was born to fight - it is people who forced it into them. When they crossed the bulldogs with the terriers it did not result suddenly in a vicious killer dog - they trained it to become that way, giving the dog no other choice. Anyway, everyone is entitled to their opinions and I agree that dog parks are not a good place to go on a regular basis.
Then you have truly never owned a REAL american pit bull terrier but rather petbulls or mixes.
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My family had a Border Collie growing up who was DA.
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This person talking about the DP reminds me of the other girl I tried talking to about those parks,and her APBT. I kept telling her it might not be her dog that starts the fight,but it will finish it. She was like blah blah blah,never had a problem,My dog likes other dogs blahblah....
I gave her all the Cons of taking her pitty to a dog park.
She didn't listen. 2 weeks later I get an e-mail apologizing to me,and how she should have listened,cause now she has a $700 vet bill,and a dog with a broken toe,and a German Shepard with a gaping wound(not her dog).
The Shepard started it....But yeah....We all know who came out worse in the end.
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Even mixes (if its 50-50) are going to carry the make up to be DA, Kilie is mixed but shes as DA as any of the purebreds and started showing around 8 months. But i do get what you were saying.

Im all for people with enough knowledge promoting and bringing up awareness of the breed to the public, however it seems like 99% of the people doing this ambassador work have no business doing so. "My APBT goes to dog parks all the time/sometimes and he loves other dogs!" and "Its all in how you raise them", i know that this may not be the topic but its turning into this type of thread, at least at this time.

Time to get over yourselves people, if your not going to be responsible don't own this breed.
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Okay - we all know the APBT IS a DA breed & in others opinions dog parks are a BIG no no. But It's on that person alone if they want to take their dog to a dog park & learn the hard way. To each their own.

But can we please stay on topic . I don't want a thread getting closed over the topic of dog parks - that's beating a dead horse. Some ppl never experience a DA APBT. While others do...

THank you

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Originally Posted by meganc66 View Post
As a groomer I see lots of nasty little buggers! We usually have super sweet goldens but lately we have had some pretty rotten Goldens in there... one of our usuals is super sweet but he musta got the stink eye from a lab that was also there at the same time and the golden went after the lab... luckily the lab was dumb as a box of rocks and just wandered off while i drug the golden away... agh.

anyways, not that i have experienced it personally but i have heard that chows and dalmations are HA. I have only met 2 nice Cocker Spaniels the rest have either bitten me or tried in vain to bite me.... Lhasa Apso's also are completely bonkers.....
I bet you experience quite a handful of different types of aggression on a daily basis, thank for sharing
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