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Old 04-30-2011, 09:38 PM   #46 (permalink)
 

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I think any dog can be any of the above at any given time.
I've had American bulldogs, pits, Australian shepherds, Rottweiler, Dalmatian mix, and lived with various other dogs of roommates. Mostly other pits.

A lot of it has to do with ownership. I gave a beautiful dog to a friend, American Bulldog mix. Left my house @ 88lbs and tremendous shape, got along with everything except his brother. I got him back @ over 120 lbs of pissed of sausage. He bit a family member pretty bad over a noise. It just depends.
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I just went back and read some of these posts. Why is there so much negativity between others and a difference of opinion? Some say fact but at the end of the day its all opinion based off of difference of experiences. No reason imo to be negative towards others.
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Old 05-01-2011, 12:10 AM   #48 (permalink)
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I just went back and read some of these posts. Why is there so much negativity between others and a difference of opinion? Some say fact but at the end of the day its all opinion based off of difference of experiences. No reason imo to be negative towards others.
Genetic DA is not opinion, its fact.

APBT's shouldnt be in dog parks, that is also not opinion its fact. Knowing the breed history and being responsible with that history and what the dogs were bred for, etc is fact.

Its not opinion based off experiences, its fact based on what this breed was originally meant for and how much of that genetically speaking is still in the breed regardless of if its still tested or proven in todays apbt's.

Thats just like a debate i saw of Fila owners. Those dogs are not for everyone and they are definitely not a breed for a novice. If properly bred they are also not a breed you just take out every where with you either. Its the same concept with different set of rules. APBT + other dogs = negative out come. (sooner or later, it all ends the same)

It is a HUGE deal for owners when we have BSL. Every single situation where an APBT or any bull and terrier breed attacks a person due to breeding/neglect or a dog can be a direct impact on this breed when it comes to regulations/laws/etc.

I know its not exactly on topic and for that i apologize however to ignore something that has the potential of being THAT sever is just as dangerous. As others say this topic has been beating to death and beyond but its apparent it needs to be. Continuously. More and more new owners of these dogs (and other breeds) dive right in without the proper knowledge and as a result sooner or later effects everyone. Properly educated/experienced or not. To assume it doesn't is just as ignorant.

Your right, theyre dog and they DO have the right to do as they please. However at the same time your wrong when one wrong step affects so many other people. If it hasn't affected you how long do you think that can continue? BSL is spreading like wild fire right now.

DA/HA genetic breeds all have a rightful place with rightful owners. We are not talking about small all friendly breeds on this thread. To believe any person can own these breeds is just plain wrong.
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I just went back and read some of these posts. Why is there so much negativity between others and a difference of opinion? Some say fact but at the end of the day its all opinion based off of difference of experiences. No reason imo to be negative towards others.
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Genetic DA is not opinion, its fact.

APBT's shouldnt be in dog parks, that is also not opinion its fact. Knowing the breed history and being responsible with that history and what the dogs were bred for, etc is fact.

Its not opinion based off experiences, its fact based on what this breed was originally meant for and how much of that genetically speaking is still in the breed regardless of if its still tested or proven in todays apbt's.

DA/HA genetic breeds all have a rightful place with rightful owners. We are not talking about small all friendly breeds on this thread. To believe any person can own these breeds is just plain wrong.
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Just adding a few breeds I didn't see when I scanned through.

Central Asian Ovcharka
Caucasian Ovcharka
Bouvier Des Flandres
Sivas Kangal Dog
Bully Kutta
Tibetan Mastiff
Sarplaninac
Giant Schnauzer

But they shouldn't bite unless provoked like stated, guardian breeds are generally very wary of strangers and will guard property but shouldn't bite unprovoked.

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Maybe I should take my game bred dog's to the dog park and let them loose. LMAO!!! What a great example to set for the breed we all want to claim the responsible owner title but some of us don't want to live by example. Boy I tell you ya'll keep messing around they are going to ban these dogs for good. Is it really worth it for a GD dog park?? I don't get it how people some how believe they are above this breeds genetics and are willing to roll the dice on these dogs. It's so freaking disturbing to me it's unreal! I wish my ban stick worked everywhere in the world I would make sure the idiots couldn't get their hands on these dogs. When you decide to make stupid choices with your dog's it's a chain reaction that affects my dog's as well when your dog's genetics kick in and attacks and kills another dog my dog's pay the price for your foolishness. I am fighting for my dog's everyday and people like you come behind me and screw it up.
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I agree Sadie. Even if you don't own a APBT or bully breed dog parks are a bad place to go. You have no control over who brings their dogs and you don't know any of the dogs. If you're going to try and socialize your animal to be dog friendly, set up small controlled play dates with dogs you know.

I personally just worry about teaching my dogs to focus on me instead of trying to socialize the crap out of them. But that's just me.
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I think any dog can be any of the above at any given time.
I've had American bulldogs, pits, Australian shepherds, Rottweiler, Dalmatian mix, and lived with various other dogs of roommates. Mostly other pits.

A lot of it has to do with ownership. I gave a beautiful dog to a friend, American Bulldog mix. Left my house @ 88lbs and tremendous shape, got along with everything except his brother. I got him back @ over 120 lbs of pissed of sausage. He bit a family member pretty bad over a noise. It just depends.
That's exactly what I think! Most of what I read on here I take into consideration that it's just an opinion vs. FACT (aside from APBT's & the possibility of DA showing is fact). There isn't enough scientific research to back anything up IMO & all dogs are capable of just about anything.
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I just went back and read some of these posts. Why is there so much negativity between others and a difference of opinion? Some say fact but at the end of the day its all opinion based off of difference of experiences. No reason imo to be negative towards others.


As for the dog park thing, you guys said your piece about dp facts, let the other member make their mind up & leave it be. No sense in arguing over it

Difference of opinion are going to happen.GET OVER YOURSELF PUMPKINS

The reason I posted this thread is to find out about MORE breeds that show DA or the possibility of other types of aggression... Not to go back & forth over dog parks, it's so freaking annoying to ready the animosity in those posts & really not another members business & has nothing to do with this thread topic.


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Just adding a few breeds I didn't see when I scanned through.

Central Asian Ovcharka
Caucasian Ovcharka
Bouvier Des Flandres
Sivas Kangal Dog
Bully Kutta
Tibetan Mastiff
Sarplaninac
Giant Schnauzer

But they should bite unless provoked like stated, guardian breeds are generally very wary of strangers and will guard property but shouldn't bite unprovoked.
thanks for sharing.
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